| Another state murder on 10:48 - Dec 11 with 1460 views | Highjack |
I’m not one for the death penalty in general but I don’t think there’ll be many tears lost over the death of scum like this. |  |
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| Another state murder on 10:51 - Dec 11 with 1458 views | Lohengrin |
These are the victims. This is where your sympathies ought to lie.
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| Another state murder on 10:55 - Dec 11 with 1448 views | Highjack |
| Another state murder on 10:51 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
These are the victims. This is where your sympathies ought to lie.
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Forced into the boot of a car, shot then burned alive. | |
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| Another state murder on 10:55 - Dec 11 with 1448 views | Catullus |
Trump breaking with tradition again eh. Though, to be fair, it wasn't Trump who introduced these laws and the Supreme court could have stopped the executions. |  |
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| Another state murder on 11:03 - Dec 11 with 1439 views | Lohengrin |
| Another state murder on 10:55 - Dec 11 by Highjack |
Forced into the boot of a car, shot then burned alive. |
The stuff of nightmares. | |
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| Another state murder on 18:54 - Dec 11 with 1373 views | Boundy |
| Another state murder on 11:03 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
The stuff of nightmares. |
Curious to know what type of murder Brandon Bernard committed No loss at all , except the loss of two innocents lives . [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 18:56]
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| Another state murder on 19:44 - Dec 11 with 1352 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"He was given the death penalty for his involvement in the murder of Todd and Stacie Bagley in June 1999.
He was one of five teenagers accused of robbing the pair and forcing them into the boot of their car in Texas.
They were shot as they lay in the boot by 19-year-old accomplice Christopher Vialva before Bernard set the car alight"
I think it is insulting that a bunch of celebrities involve themselves in instances like this. The only people who should be able to urge for clemency are the families of the victims. This is what they had to say:
"The families of Todd and Stacie Bagley both expressed gratitude to President Trump, Attorney General William Barr and other officials.
Todd Bagley's family said it had been "very difficult" to wait 21 years for the sentence imposed "on those who cruelly participated in the destruction of our children, to be finally completed".
"The lives of family and friends were shattered and we all have grieved for 21 years waiting for justice to finally be served," the statement said.
"Thank you to all who were involved in this process of getting justice for Todd and Stacie."
Brandon Bernard and the four others who shot and burnt the two victims alive in the boot of the car are scum. The world is a better place now they're dead. |  |
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| Another state murder on 19:55 - Dec 11 with 1345 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another state murder on 10:51 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
These are the victims. This is where your sympathies ought to lie.
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“ Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”
Romans 12:17-19
Murdering someone is wrong. Whether State sanctioned or not. | | | |
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| Another state murder on 19:59 - Dec 11 with 1340 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another state murder on 10:55 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
Trump breaking with tradition again eh. Though, to be fair, it wasn't Trump who introduced these laws and the Supreme court could have stopped the executions. |
The Supreme Court is loaded with people who are pro life until someone is born. Then, not so much.
Weird type of Christianity in the States. | | | |
| Another state murder on 19:59 - Dec 11 with 1338 views | Andy1300 |
| Another state murder on 19:55 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
“ Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”
Romans 12:17-19
Murdering someone is wrong. Whether State sanctioned or not. |
Sod religion.
Nobody should feel sorry for the scum |  |
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| Another state murder on 20:06 - Dec 11 with 1335 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another state murder on 19:59 - Dec 11 by Andy1300 |
Sod religion.
Nobody should feel sorry for the scum |
I’d sod religion as well.
But it’s relevant as the two young people horribly murdered were Christian missionaries.
And their families have invoked Christianity. And Lohengrin, who the post was a reply to, is a Christian.
Murder is wrong. Whoever does it. And however scummy the person murdered (and he was). Simple as that. | | | |
| Another state murder on 20:09 - Dec 11 with 1334 views | Lohengrin |
| Another state murder on 19:55 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
“ Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”
Romans 12:17-19
Murdering someone is wrong. Whether State sanctioned or not. |
“And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 24:17 | |
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| Another state murder on 20:17 - Dec 11 with 1322 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another state murder on 20:09 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
“And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 24:17 |
I’m pretty certain Loh, that as a Christian you are supposed to believe my verse trumps yours. It’s sort of the whole point... | | | |
| Another state murder on 20:24 - Dec 11 with 1311 views | Lohengrin |
| Another state murder on 20:17 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
I’m pretty certain Loh, that as a Christian you are supposed to believe my verse trumps yours. It’s sort of the whole point... |
I just carry great reams of The KJV around in my head, I can summon them up and throw them like frisbees. | |
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| Another state murder on 22:33 - Dec 11 with 1254 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Another state murder on 20:24 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
I just carry great reams of The KJV around in my head, I can summon them up and throw them like frisbees. |
Horrible subject matter, but that made me laugh. |  | | |
| Another state murder on 22:41 - Dec 11 with 1250 views | Catullus |
| Another state murder on 19:59 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
The Supreme Court is loaded with people who are pro life until someone is born. Then, not so much.
Weird type of Christianity in the States. |
Religion is weird across the world, there is lots of other weird in the USA though, just watch Louis Theroux!
People who don't agree with the death penalty will always call it murder, those who do agree call it justice. Invoking religion doesn't really work on people who don't do religion!
Myself,I think that in some cases, as long as the evidence against is irrefutable then the death penalty is justifiable.
Apparently his last words were to apologise to the family of the victims so his guilt seems certain. | |
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| Another state murder on 22:43 - Dec 11 with 1247 views | Nortbankboy |
| Another state murder on 22:33 - Dec 11 by Treforys_Jack |
Horrible subject matter, but that made me laugh. |
The Americans on par with the saudis | | | |
| Another state murder on 22:49 - Dec 11 with 1242 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another state murder on 22:41 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
Religion is weird across the world, there is lots of other weird in the USA though, just watch Louis Theroux!
People who don't agree with the death penalty will always call it murder, those who do agree call it justice. Invoking religion doesn't really work on people who don't do religion!
Myself,I think that in some cases, as long as the evidence against is irrefutable then the death penalty is justifiable.
Apparently his last words were to apologise to the family of the victims so his guilt seems certain. |
Trouble is Catt, how much more sure do you have to be for the death penalty rather than a life sentence?
If you say the evidence must be irrefutable for the death penalty then by nature you end up giving a life sentence if you’re not as sure. That doesn’t sit comfortably with me.
If you move to they can have the death penalty if they confess then the question of mental state comes in.
Don’t get me wrong, the crime was heinous but death by the state is riven with issues. | | | |
| Another state murder on 23:14 - Dec 11 with 1237 views | Catullus |
| Another state murder on 20:17 - Dec 11 by londonlisa2001 |
I’m pretty certain Loh, that as a Christian you are supposed to believe my verse trumps yours. It’s sort of the whole point... |
Why? Why does one verse in the bible trumps another one? CAn you choose which bits you believe?
That's part of my problem with religion, it is so contradictory.
My mother in law said her vicar told her you can't take the binle literally because it had been rewritten so many times. Doesn't that display a lack of faith, a vicar not believing the person writing the bible had his hand directed by God?
If Vicars have so little faith why should anyone have faith?
It just goes to show that we all choose what we want to believe and religion is just as full of nonsense as anything else.
http://www.camphillboys.bham.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/War.pdf
In amongst that it says the bible says murder is wrong but killing can sometimes be justified AND the Bible doesn't just condoen killing, sometimes it glorifies it.
Opinions eh.
My opinion, this execution was legal under the laws of that state in the USA. Blaming Trump for it is not really accurate. What can we expect from a country with such stupid gun laws? | |
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| Another state murder on 23:20 - Dec 11 with 1236 views | Lohengrin |
| Another state murder on 23:14 - Dec 11 by Catullus |
Why? Why does one verse in the bible trumps another one? CAn you choose which bits you believe?
That's part of my problem with religion, it is so contradictory.
My mother in law said her vicar told her you can't take the binle literally because it had been rewritten so many times. Doesn't that display a lack of faith, a vicar not believing the person writing the bible had his hand directed by God?
If Vicars have so little faith why should anyone have faith?
It just goes to show that we all choose what we want to believe and religion is just as full of nonsense as anything else.
http://www.camphillboys.bham.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/War.pdf
In amongst that it says the bible says murder is wrong but killing can sometimes be justified AND the Bible doesn't just condoen killing, sometimes it glorifies it.
Opinions eh.
My opinion, this execution was legal under the laws of that state in the USA. Blaming Trump for it is not really accurate. What can we expect from a country with such stupid gun laws? |
Why would she say that? Because I was quoting the Old Testament and Lisa the New. | |
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| Another state murder on 23:39 - Dec 11 with 1225 views | Catullus |
| Another state murder on 23:20 - Dec 11 by Lohengrin |
Why would she say that? Because I was quoting the Old Testament and Lisa the New. |
Yes, ok. Still though the Bible is littered with contradictions.
Exodus 22-18, though shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Matthew 15-4 He who speaks evil of father or other, let him surely die. John 19-11, Romans 13-4
Jesus apparently never said capital punishment is wrong.
Religion is nonsense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/christianethics/capitalpun | |
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| Another state murder on 23:51 - Dec 11 with 1213 views | Jack123 |
An eye for an eye.
The rule of “an eye for an eye” was part of God’s Law given by Moses to ancient Israel and was quoted by Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount. (Matthew 5:​38, King James Version; Exodus 21:24, 25; Deuteronomy 19:21) It meant that when dealing out justice to wrongdoers, the punishment should fit the crime. *
The rule applied to deliberate injurious acts against another person. Regarding a willful offender, the Mosaic Law stated: “Fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, the same sort of injury he inflicted should be inflicted on him.”​–Leviticus 24:20. |  |
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| Another state murder on 23:57 - Dec 11 with 1205 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sounds like utter scum.
But can’t ever get behind the death penalty. It blurs the lines between civilised thought and savagery.
Not for me. |  |
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| Another state murder on 00:24 - Dec 12 with 1193 views | Catullus |
| Another state murder on 23:57 - Dec 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
Sounds like utter scum.
But can’t ever get behind the death penalty. It blurs the lines between civilised thought and savagery.
Not for me. |
So you wouldn't have hanged any Nazi's then?
If somebody murdered my son I would want the most severe punishment. If anybody can say otherwise they are a better person than I. | |
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| Another state murder on 00:37 - Dec 12 with 1186 views | Jack123 |
There has to be some deterrent in place, otherwise for whatever reason some people think they can take a life, and ferk the consequences.
In the Uk, by the look of reports there seems to be multiple stabbings nearly everyday in London now..
And also elsewhere..
I personally would like to bring back hanging, but also stoning people to death if their crime is that bad, we need a deterrent.
Edit: Just to add unlike the death penalty in USA where it takes years on death row, I'm talking instant execution..
I tell you what, these nutters murdering anyone around London, once you live stream the first hanging, I guarantee you they would pee themselves, and the idiots would put the knives away. [Post edited 12 Dec 2020 1:58]
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