| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect 08:00 - Feb 20 with 3591 views | SwansIndependent |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 08:35 - Feb 20 with 2474 views | onehunglow |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 09:06 - Feb 20 with 2443 views | Whiterockin |
Keith any thoughts on the three registered charges still not satisfied at Companies House all with different persons entitled.
Fasanara Capital LTD
The Bank of New York Mellon, London Branch
Macquarie Bank Limited, London Branch [Post edited 20 Feb 2024 9:07]
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 09:27 - Feb 20 with 2399 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Probably best to liquidate the UK assets.
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:21 - Feb 20 with 2080 views | EagleEye |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 09:06 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
Keith any thoughts on the three registered charges still not satisfied at Companies House all with different persons entitled.
Fasanara Capital LTD
The Bank of New York Mellon, London Branch
Macquarie Bank Limited, London Branch [Post edited 20 Feb 2024 9:07]
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Loan charges in lieu of incoming transfer instalments ? |  | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:56 - Feb 20 with 2032 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:21 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
Loan charges in lieu of incoming transfer instalments ? |
This is one of the reasons I harp on about clarity and transparency, nobody knows because nothing is said. Your point may well be true but it may not, do we pay up front for all player purchases? If fact nobody knows anything about our club finances, not even the exact shareholding of Coleman, Kaplan, Levien and Silverstein. We all know they have invested through Swansea Football LLC but how much of that 70% is their money, do others have a larger investment in Swansea Football LLC and and the four only the "faces". So are the charges the only item they are being evasive on, or is there much more. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:09 - Feb 20 with 2004 views | KeithHaynes |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:56 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
This is one of the reasons I harp on about clarity and transparency, nobody knows because nothing is said. Your point may well be true but it may not, do we pay up front for all player purchases? If fact nobody knows anything about our club finances, not even the exact shareholding of Coleman, Kaplan, Levien and Silverstein. We all know they have invested through Swansea Football LLC but how much of that 70% is their money, do others have a larger investment in Swansea Football LLC and and the four only the "faces". So are the charges the only item they are being evasive on, or is there much more. |
And as long as these questions remain unanswered then more fans will not attend the stadium.
Attendances are massively down. |  |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:26 - Feb 20 with 1972 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:09 - Feb 20 by KeithHaynes |
And as long as these questions remain unanswered then more fans will not attend the stadium.
Attendances are massively down. |
The EFL rules state, that all individuals with more than a 10% shareholding in a club must be listed with their stake on the club website. IMO the way we have them grouped as 70% is in breach of these rules. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:26 - Feb 20 with 1881 views | GixerJack |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:09 - Feb 20 by KeithHaynes |
And as long as these questions remain unanswered then more fans will not attend the stadium.
Attendances are massively down. |
Any idea how many season tickets have been renewed for next season, is it down again? |  | | |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:32 - Feb 20 with 1878 views | BillyChong |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:56 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
This is one of the reasons I harp on about clarity and transparency, nobody knows because nothing is said. Your point may well be true but it may not, do we pay up front for all player purchases? If fact nobody knows anything about our club finances, not even the exact shareholding of Coleman, Kaplan, Levien and Silverstein. We all know they have invested through Swansea Football LLC but how much of that 70% is their money, do others have a larger investment in Swansea Football LLC and and the four only the "faces". So are the charges the only item they are being evasive on, or is there much more. |
The yanks have used Macquarie previously to loan money against staggered incoming transfer fees | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 19:04 - Feb 20 with 1845 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Fans should focus on the organisation they own and not worry about other peoples businesses. The fans group does not invest in anything. It's biggest investment was in legal fees to sue sue the other owners. They got £500k out of the other owners which ould have gone to the club.
The Trust should put that £500k back into the club as an investment. The are old men money hoarders effectively getting no return on their cash. Based on this, furnishing the fans will more detail is pointless. They would not understand it. It has no benefit.
Fans not renewing because of not knowing this information is laughable. It none of their business for one. No one asks how the Trust mitigates against 5% inflation. Duh not a clue. (clue they do not). 5% inflation of £1m is £50,000 annual loss of value
DC United is worth a whopping $800m. If Saudi people want to pay them it can only be good for Swansea . On 4% bond return the interest on that would be $32m a year. |  |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 20:10 - Feb 20 with 1798 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 19:04 - Feb 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Fans should focus on the organisation they own and not worry about other peoples businesses. The fans group does not invest in anything. It's biggest investment was in legal fees to sue sue the other owners. They got £500k out of the other owners which ould have gone to the club.
The Trust should put that £500k back into the club as an investment. The are old men money hoarders effectively getting no return on their cash. Based on this, furnishing the fans will more detail is pointless. They would not understand it. It has no benefit.
Fans not renewing because of not knowing this information is laughable. It none of their business for one. No one asks how the Trust mitigates against 5% inflation. Duh not a clue. (clue they do not). 5% inflation of £1m is £50,000 annual loss of value
DC United is worth a whopping $800m. If Saudi people want to pay them it can only be good for Swansea . On 4% bond return the interest on that would be $32m a year. |
Fans should know who owns their football club and to what percentage. We should also know the financial implications. We have been down this road years ago and it was not good. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 20:32 - Feb 20 with 1762 views | KeithHaynes |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:26 - Feb 20 by GixerJack |
Any idea how many season tickets have been renewed for next season, is it down again? |
No mate. | |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 20:42 - Feb 20 with 1741 views | Luther27 |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:26 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
The EFL rules state, that all individuals with more than a 10% shareholding in a club must be listed with their stake on the club website. IMO the way we have them grouped as 70% is in breach of these rules. |
I’m not really up with the EFL financial regs etc….but if there was even a hint of potential impropriety regarding financial holdings in a football club then surely the EFL should investigate? | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 21:10 - Feb 20 with 1717 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 20:42 - Feb 20 by Luther27 |
I’m not really up with the EFL financial regs etc….but if there was even a hint of potential impropriety regarding financial holdings in a football club then surely the EFL should investigate? |
TBH I would rather they didn't, the repercussions might not be good for us as a club. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 09:14 - Feb 21 with 1487 views | jackrmee |
Swans fans should get in contact with DC groups and arrange simultaneous protests against the management group.
They have their gripes over there and we have several here. |  |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 14:27 - Feb 21 with 1363 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 09:14 - Feb 21 by jackrmee |
Swans fans should get in contact with DC groups and arrange simultaneous protests against the management group.
They have their gripes over there and we have several here. |
The owners have made investment. There has been changes on an off the field at Swansea. All the owners have invested except one. The fans ownership group. The Swansea.com group sponsor the stadium.
What do the fans ownership do? Raise your voices and demand a £30,000 sponsorship of the Women's team. Maybe the shirts. Is the university paying extra for Women's team shirts.
Once the SCST is seen to be doing something useful membership might recover.
Protests are abut poor results on the field. It is a competition.
Swansea fans give their money to lawyer, agents and banks, not the football club in investment.
The fans group has a lot of money doing othing. | |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:27 - Feb 21 with 1317 views | KeithHaynes |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 14:27 - Feb 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The owners have made investment. There has been changes on an off the field at Swansea. All the owners have invested except one. The fans ownership group. The Swansea.com group sponsor the stadium.
What do the fans ownership do? Raise your voices and demand a £30,000 sponsorship of the Women's team. Maybe the shirts. Is the university paying extra for Women's team shirts.
Once the SCST is seen to be doing something useful membership might recover.
Protests are abut poor results on the field. It is a competition.
Swansea fans give their money to lawyer, agents and banks, not the football club in investment.
The fans group has a lot of money doing othing. |
The sponsorship is paid for by one person.
People will be surprised who it is. | |
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| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:49 - Feb 21 with 1298 views | QJumpingJack |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 16:27 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
The sponsorship is paid for by one person.
People will be surprised who it is. |
the former vice-chairman? | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:12 - Feb 21 with 1274 views | Gwyn737 |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 19:04 - Feb 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Fans should focus on the organisation they own and not worry about other peoples businesses. The fans group does not invest in anything. It's biggest investment was in legal fees to sue sue the other owners. They got £500k out of the other owners which ould have gone to the club.
The Trust should put that £500k back into the club as an investment. The are old men money hoarders effectively getting no return on their cash. Based on this, furnishing the fans will more detail is pointless. They would not understand it. It has no benefit.
Fans not renewing because of not knowing this information is laughable. It none of their business for one. No one asks how the Trust mitigates against 5% inflation. Duh not a clue. (clue they do not). 5% inflation of £1m is £50,000 annual loss of value
DC United is worth a whopping $800m. If Saudi people want to pay them it can only be good for Swansea . On 4% bond return the interest on that would be $32m a year. |
Explain to me how your position works more generally.
The trust owns 10% and that’s all the fans should concern themselves with, right? So..
1. If a club is part owned by the fans it’s only that part of the club the fans should worry about?
2. If a club is not fan owned, they have no right to voice an opinion or challenge the owners?
and a slightly tenuous analogy…
3. If you owned 10% of a racehorse and someone else own the other 90%, should you just concern yourself with your bit and completely ignore what your majority partner is doing, even if they’re treating it badly? | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:32 - Feb 21 with 1252 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:12 - Feb 21 by Gwyn737 |
Explain to me how your position works more generally.
The trust owns 10% and that’s all the fans should concern themselves with, right? So..
1. If a club is part owned by the fans it’s only that part of the club the fans should worry about?
2. If a club is not fan owned, they have no right to voice an opinion or challenge the owners?
and a slightly tenuous analogy…
3. If you owned 10% of a racehorse and someone else own the other 90%, should you just concern yourself with your bit and completely ignore what your majority partner is doing, even if they’re treating it badly? |
Gwyn it's always deflection on his part, real supporters are always concerned with all financial implications regarding their club. To say otherwise is to not really care or just be on a wind up. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:53 - Feb 21 with 1222 views | swan_si |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:32 - Feb 21 by Whiterockin |
Gwyn it's always deflection on his part, real supporters are always concerned with all financial implications regarding their club. To say otherwise is to not really care or just be on a wind up. |
I know more than quite a few supporters who have no idea of the financial side of the club, simply because they and myself don't fully understand it. But I would still class us as real supporters. I would also add that we do care, and this is not a wind up. |  | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:57 - Feb 21 with 1210 views | Whiterockin |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:53 - Feb 21 by swan_si |
I know more than quite a few supporters who have no idea of the financial side of the club, simply because they and myself don't fully understand it. But I would still class us as real supporters. I would also add that we do care, and this is not a wind up. |
Just because some don't understand it doesn't mean they don't care. I didn't say any different. | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:01 - Feb 21 with 1194 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 17:53 - Feb 21 by swan_si |
I know more than quite a few supporters who have no idea of the financial side of the club, simply because they and myself don't fully understand it. But I would still class us as real supporters. I would also add that we do care, and this is not a wind up. |
What does that mean then, are you and Res a double act?
How can you be so sure his post is not a wind up?
Somebody might get a tad suspiciouss about this! | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:05 - Feb 21 with 1183 views | swan_si |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:01 - Feb 21 by SullutaCreturned |
What does that mean then, are you and Res a double act?
How can you be so sure his post is not a wind up?
Somebody might get a tad suspiciouss about this! |
WTF are you on about, my response had nothing at all to with Res. 🤡 | | | |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 18:39 - Feb 21 with 1145 views | BillyChong |
| Jason Levien : Under pressure in DC and the Swansea knock-on effect on 14:27 - Feb 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The owners have made investment. There has been changes on an off the field at Swansea. All the owners have invested except one. The fans ownership group. The Swansea.com group sponsor the stadium.
What do the fans ownership do? Raise your voices and demand a £30,000 sponsorship of the Women's team. Maybe the shirts. Is the university paying extra for Women's team shirts.
Once the SCST is seen to be doing something useful membership might recover.
Protests are abut poor results on the field. It is a competition.
Swansea fans give their money to lawyer, agents and banks, not the football club in investment.
The fans group has a lot of money doing othing. |
The poor results on the field are a reflection of the poor off field management.
The yank model is bust. The year on year sell high, reinvest low approach as predicted has hit a wall.
Are there any more unsuspecting ‘investors’ Levein can find across the pond? Who knows, but the club is surely becoming less attractive to anyone who does their research. | | | |
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