| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 07:26 - Dec 7 with 713 views | Catullus |
I think it's a simple choice, either Wales gets more powers with an independent commission that decides on funding for the devolved governments OR we scrap devolution and go back to the way it was before.
For devolution to survive and prosper we need better options too, labour and Tory are divisive, ideologically stupid and doomed to repeat the cycle of failure we have seen all over the UK.
For me there needs to be a party that accepts that neither right nor left has 100% got the right ideas and we need a party that embraces every and any good idea regardless of which side of the political spectrum it sits on. |  |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:49 - Dec 7 with 689 views | felixstowe_jack |
Hardly surprising a Plaid Cymru sponsored report come to the conclusion that the way Wales is governed is "not suitable".
Pity the report did not go into how to fund the three options It suggested. | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:53 - Dec 7 with 688 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:49 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Hardly surprising a Plaid Cymru sponsored report come to the conclusion that the way Wales is governed is "not suitable".
Pity the report did not go into how to fund the three options It suggested. |
There's at least three different reviews underway, the politicians' solution will no doubt be more politicians. |  |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:08 - Dec 7 with 674 views | Fireboy2 |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:49 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Hardly surprising a Plaid Cymru sponsored report come to the conclusion that the way Wales is governed is "not suitable".
Pity the report did not go into how to fund the three options It suggested. |
Not surprising you come out with that statement.
Btw uparrowed by mistake. |  | | |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:19 - Dec 7 with 666 views | Catullus |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:53 - Dec 7 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There's at least three different reviews underway, the politicians' solution will no doubt be more politicians. |
The politicians have already decided we need more politicians. They reckon it'll "only" cost 10 millin per year, we'll see.
As an example of waste, how much are the "at least 3" reviews costing and who is paying? | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:35 - Dec 7 with 647 views | onehunglow |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:08 - Dec 7 by Fireboy2 |
Not surprising you come out with that statement.
Btw uparrowed by mistake. |
You are unsurprising .
Strike vote soon though . | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:59 - Dec 7 with 638 views | johnlangy |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 08:49 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Hardly surprising a Plaid Cymru sponsored report come to the conclusion that the way Wales is governed is "not suitable".
Pity the report did not go into how to fund the three options It suggested. |
The BBC report includes the question 'Does new research support Welsh Independence ?' which links to the findings of Professor John Doyle that an Independent Wales would actually begin with a deficit of £2.6 billion, a perfectly acceptable fiscal deficit compared with almost every other Independent country in the world.
You ignoring that information won't make it go away Felix. | | | |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 10:03 - Dec 7 with 626 views | onehunglow |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:59 - Dec 7 by johnlangy |
The BBC report includes the question 'Does new research support Welsh Independence ?' which links to the findings of Professor John Doyle that an Independent Wales would actually begin with a deficit of £2.6 billion, a perfectly acceptable fiscal deficit compared with almost every other Independent country in the world.
You ignoring that information won't make it go away Felix. |
Professors eh | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 16:34 - Dec 7 with 600 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:08 - Dec 7 by Fireboy2 |
Not surprising you come out with that statement.
Btw uparrowed by mistake. |
Just stating the facts. | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 16:46 - Dec 7 with 598 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:59 - Dec 7 by johnlangy |
The BBC report includes the question 'Does new research support Welsh Independence ?' which links to the findings of Professor John Doyle that an Independent Wales would actually begin with a deficit of £2.6 billion, a perfectly acceptable fiscal deficit compared with almost every other Independent country in the world.
You ignoring that information won't make it go away Felix. |
An annual deficit of £2.6 billion per year would soon increase. Currently 26% of jobs are Government jobs compared to the UK average of 21%. A considerable number of those jobs would relocate back across the border, DVLA, Passport Office , Land registry causing a huge increase in Unemployment in Wales.
Ignoring the information will not make the case for an independent Wales as most voters know. Only 24% of the population want Welsh independence. They know how vital Funding from the UK taxpayers under the Barnett formula is. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 16:47]
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 17:41 - Dec 7 with 581 views | Flashberryjack |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:08 - Dec 7 by Fireboy2 |
Not surprising you come out with that statement.
Btw uparrowed by mistake. |
It's not surprising Felix came out with that statement, because it's obviously the correct statement. |  |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 18:31 - Dec 7 with 547 views | johnlangy |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 16:46 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
An annual deficit of £2.6 billion per year would soon increase. Currently 26% of jobs are Government jobs compared to the UK average of 21%. A considerable number of those jobs would relocate back across the border, DVLA, Passport Office , Land registry causing a huge increase in Unemployment in Wales.
Ignoring the information will not make the case for an independent Wales as most voters know. Only 24% of the population want Welsh independence. They know how vital Funding from the UK taxpayers under the Barnett formula is. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 16:47]
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AS far as I can gather there are about 30,000 Westminster Government jobs in Wales. When you say a considerable number, how many do you believe will be lost ? | | | |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 19:44 - Dec 7 with 521 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 18:31 - Dec 7 by johnlangy |
AS far as I can gather there are about 30,000 Westminster Government jobs in Wales. When you say a considerable number, how many do you believe will be lost ? |
There are 678,000 people working in Wales therefore 25% of that total is 169,500. How many of the 169,500 government jobs will be lost or moved across the border is anyones guess. | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 20:18 - Dec 7 with 514 views | Fireboy2 |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 17:41 - Dec 7 by Flashberryjack |
It's not surprising Felix came out with that statement, because it's obviously the correct statement. |
Every post he makes about anything non football is pro right wing.
And if you notice I don't post about anything to do about how wales' affairs are run, why? because I don't live there anymore and imo anyone who doesn't live there anymore shouldn't comment, its nothing to do with them no matter what ties they have there. | | | |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 20:43 - Dec 7 with 507 views | max936 |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 16:46 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack |
An annual deficit of £2.6 billion per year would soon increase. Currently 26% of jobs are Government jobs compared to the UK average of 21%. A considerable number of those jobs would relocate back across the border, DVLA, Passport Office , Land registry causing a huge increase in Unemployment in Wales.
Ignoring the information will not make the case for an independent Wales as most voters know. Only 24% of the population want Welsh independence. They know how vital Funding from the UK taxpayers under the Barnett formula is. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 16:47]
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The clue is in the UK taxpayers bit, you do realise that the working people of Wales pay into the UK taxpayers pot don't you.
Most of Wales have been down trodden by Westminster, even Sunak wants Wales to get less money, music to your ears that I bet. |  |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 20:44 - Dec 7 with 507 views | Catullus |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 09:59 - Dec 7 by johnlangy |
The BBC report includes the question 'Does new research support Welsh Independence ?' which links to the findings of Professor John Doyle that an Independent Wales would actually begin with a deficit of £2.6 billion, a perfectly acceptable fiscal deficit compared with almost every other Independent country in the world.
You ignoring that information won't make it go away Felix. |
Thing is John, people will believe what they want to believe. For example, there is the official report sayng that Welsh speaking has declined but a group of people dont want to believe that whereas this report by Doyle, obviously it's 100% correct.
Doyle did his report but Westminsters figures differ, how can we be sure who is correct?
How many of us would want to go indy and trust Welsh labour with full powers?
On that, Starmer has pledged for a power transfer, it may save the union. His other pledges like abolishingthe HoL, seems like vote winners to me. | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 21:05 - Dec 7 with 486 views | Flashberryjack |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 20:18 - Dec 7 by Fireboy2 |
Every post he makes about anything non football is pro right wing.
And if you notice I don't post about anything to do about how wales' affairs are run, why? because I don't live there anymore and imo anyone who doesn't live there anymore shouldn't comment, its nothing to do with them no matter what ties they have there. |
That seems fair enough, although a lot of posters on here comment on things that happen in England, when they actually live in Wales, so probably an unfair argument IMO. | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 21:21 - Dec 7 with 469 views | Catullus |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 18:31 - Dec 7 by johnlangy |
AS far as I can gather there are about 30,000 Westminster Government jobs in Wales. When you say a considerable number, how many do you believe will be lost ? |
On the point about money and government jobs, John, if we went indy then Senedd spending should rise. That is because, as we are always told, the NHS needs a massive increase in investment. Therefore an indy Wales would have to increase it's expenditure. Taking into account all the areas where we are apparently under funded, the Senedd woud have to raise spending so surely making our deficit larger?
it's a question I haven't asked before but, how much more money would the Senedd spend to raise standards across the board in Wales? Where does that moeny come from and however much it is it's X+2.6 billion=??? | |
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| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 21:32 - Dec 7 with 454 views | Fireboy2 |
| The way Wales is currently governed is "not suitable", according to a on 21:05 - Dec 7 by Flashberryjack |
That seems fair enough, although a lot of posters on here comment on things that happen in England, when they actually live in Wales, so probably an unfair argument IMO. |
Depends on what they are commenting on flash.
If its to with general news that goes on throughout the UK ie crime, then it's relevant but if its to do local governance, ie on how northern ireland is governed then imo u less you live in northern ireland you shouldn't have an opinion. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 21:33]
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