| 83% Possession Yesterday 14:21 - Oct 24 with 1402 views | STID2017 |
Flies in the face of the theory that lower possession equals better performance and result.
Same with Reading game.
Stats eh ?  |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 14:32 - Oct 24 with 1053 views | Treforys_Jack |
83% must be some sort of record. |  | | |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 14:48 - Oct 24 with 1035 views | fbreath |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 14:32 - Oct 24 by Treforys_Jack |
83% must be some sort of record. |
That means 17% must be the lowest so they have the record for that. Something for them to celebrate and tell us we've never done it. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:00 - Oct 24 with 1015 views | vetchonian |
Its horses for courses
With only 10 men to play against it works but despite that possession we only managed 2 goals though Obafemi did miss 3 chances Oli Cooper another
The Reading game as has been pointed out elsewhere despite 3 times as much possession than Reading it was not reflected in the number of shots we had compared to Reading
The high possession got us a clean sheet...how many times have we had 70+% possession yet lost.
Lots of comments yesterday about pointless passing and we did at times revert to walking football BUT we won we beat our arch enemies
Why be antaganisitc?
Many of Russels critics have praised him for yesterday yet threads like this appear fishing! |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:08 - Oct 24 with 1009 views | STID2017 |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:00 - Oct 24 by vetchonian |
Its horses for courses
With only 10 men to play against it works but despite that possession we only managed 2 goals though Obafemi did miss 3 chances Oli Cooper another
The Reading game as has been pointed out elsewhere despite 3 times as much possession than Reading it was not reflected in the number of shots we had compared to Reading
The high possession got us a clean sheet...how many times have we had 70+% possession yet lost.
Lots of comments yesterday about pointless passing and we did at times revert to walking football BUT we won we beat our arch enemies
Why be antaganisitc?
Many of Russels critics have praised him for yesterday yet threads like this appear fishing! |
Antagonist?
Fishing ?
Not at all.
Just thought it worthy of it's own thread to point out that measuring possession and stats are not the be all and end all.
Personally like many enjoyed the game and the possession yesterday.
As long as we keep winning.
Shows there is more than one way to skin a cat | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:10 - Oct 24 with 1005 views | blackpooljack |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 14:32 - Oct 24 by Treforys_Jack |
83% must be some sort of record. |
It is, it equals the pasting we took off Man City when they ran rings round us back in 2018 [Post edited 24 Oct 2022 15:10]
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:42 - Oct 24 with 972 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The stats people on here seem to believe matches are controlled by Martin. Swansea were defensively weak with 75% possession is some games. There appeared to be some correlation between poor results and possession stats.
In reality it is the opposition not Martin that control the stats of matches. If teams dispute possession that it will be shared reading and Hull for example were happy to sit back. Martin has adapted but not throw his principles in the bin after reading this forum. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:55 - Oct 24 with 963 views | KeithHaynes |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:00 - Oct 24 by vetchonian |
Its horses for courses
With only 10 men to play against it works but despite that possession we only managed 2 goals though Obafemi did miss 3 chances Oli Cooper another
The Reading game as has been pointed out elsewhere despite 3 times as much possession than Reading it was not reflected in the number of shots we had compared to Reading
The high possession got us a clean sheet...how many times have we had 70+% possession yet lost.
Lots of comments yesterday about pointless passing and we did at times revert to walking football BUT we won we beat our arch enemies
Why be antaganisitc?
Many of Russels critics have praised him for yesterday yet threads like this appear fishing! |
For me there wasn’t enough pace to our game on the second half, it was never in doubt would have liked to have some some more speedier passing, but that’s being picky. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:00 - Oct 24 with 953 views | Treforys_Jack |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:55 - Oct 24 by KeithHaynes |
For me there wasn’t enough pace to our game on the second half, it was never in doubt would have liked to have some some more speedier passing, but that’s being picky. |
Not enough pace or width if I'm being picky as well. | | | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:11 - Oct 24 with 945 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Once the second goal went in we were just taking the piss out of them. I think if we’d gone full throttle we could have scored at least five but it was job done and showboating time. I particularly enjoyed Steven Benda’s stepovers. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:15 - Oct 24 with 942 views | Whiterockin |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:00 - Oct 24 by Treforys_Jack |
Not enough pace or width if I'm being picky as well. |
Personally I thought we played with plenty of width, the wing backs were hugging the touchline most of the game. This allowed for the Cardiff centre backs to be split allowing the through ball from Grimes for Obafemi to score.
On a footnote, has anyone else noticed that Obafemi doesn't seem to bend the ball when he shoots. If the keeper has his angles right he will save it or Obafemi will miss most of the time. Get his angles wrong and he scores. |  | | |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:17 - Oct 24 with 938 views | Dr_Winston |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:15 - Oct 24 by Whiterockin |
Personally I thought we played with plenty of width, the wing backs were hugging the touchline most of the game. This allowed for the Cardiff centre backs to be split allowing the through ball from Grimes for Obafemi to score.
On a footnote, has anyone else noticed that Obafemi doesn't seem to bend the ball when he shoots. If the keeper has his angles right he will save it or Obafemi will miss most of the time. Get his angles wrong and he scores. |
I think he tried to bend that second chance in yesterday but didn't quite get the spin on it. The first opening apparently it span too much. TBH I suspect he's probably better off going for power than placement. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:19 - Oct 24 with 937 views | magicdaps10 |
Cardiff were always going to sit deep with 11 men so 10 men was going to knock the % of possession higher.......its reality, teams who sit deep will mean we have more possession and less opportunity to play these longer balls forward.
Its not about keeping the ball for possession sake, it's about recycling the ball to open up and create space. The thing that needs cutting down is the individual mistakes mainly across the back line....its clearly that simple. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:34 - Oct 24 with 928 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 16:17 - Oct 24 by Dr_Winston |
I think he tried to bend that second chance in yesterday but didn't quite get the spin on it. The first opening apparently it span too much. TBH I suspect he's probably better off going for power than placement. |
It would have been almost a carbon copy of Routledges goal against them when we were in the prem. | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:12 - Oct 24 with 801 views | Catullus |
STID mun, it's what you do with the possession that matters, we have won a game with 49% possession and we have been beaten several times when we have had over 60%.
Putting the ball in the net and not conceding wins games, not the amount of possession. | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:28 - Oct 24 with 782 views | STID2017 |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:12 - Oct 24 by Catullus |
STID mun, it's what you do with the possession that matters, we have won a game with 49% possession and we have been beaten several times when we have had over 60%.
Putting the ball in the net and not conceding wins games, not the amount of possession. |
Just my point really.
The only stats that mattet in the end are goals for and against.
There are of course some who place great emphasis on various other stats | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:44 - Oct 24 with 752 views | Catullus |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:28 - Oct 24 by STID2017 |
Just my point really.
The only stats that mattet in the end are goals for and against.
There are of course some who place great emphasis on various other stats |
Stats don't excite me if we've lost.
As we have seen from other posters on here, stats can say a lot of things that aren't always true.
Personally if someone said we'd only have 17% possession for every game from now til May but we finished top, I'd take it and I'm quite certain everybody else would too. | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:47 - Oct 24 with 745 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The sheer amount of people that don’t understand this point is frightening.
We were playing with an extra man for 90 mins (if you include injury time), if you are genuinely ignoring that point and think we got that possession and the victory by normal means, then the depths of desperation of some is just getting silly.
The evidence is stark that we perform better when we are more direct. When we are more direct possession naturally comes down, pass count naturally comes down and long balls increase.
Prior to the run starting our possession averaged at 76% and since our run started it’s sat at around 56%. Looking at a match against 10 men and pretending it is the norm is just plain ludicrous.
But again, nobody is saying we can never win with high possession, and nobody is saying we will always win with a sensible possession number - what is being said is we will win far more playing sensibly than playing the silly Martinball stuff.
We have around 60 games of evidence to back that up, looking at one heavily affected by a 7th minute red card is laughable.
But I shouldn’t expect anything less really. |  |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:09 - Oct 24 with 722 views | onehunglow |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:44 - Oct 24 by Catullus |
Stats don't excite me if we've lost.
As we have seen from other posters on here, stats can say a lot of things that aren't always true.
Personally if someone said we'd only have 17% possession for every game from now til May but we finished top, I'd take it and I'm quite certain everybody else would too. |
The only start hat matters is the one that sees three points to the winner.
Win and fans are happy,lose and they are not.
Those that say they enjoy defeats are liars
With respect | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:14 - Oct 24 with 711 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:09 - Oct 24 by onehunglow |
The only start hat matters is the one that sees three points to the winner.
Win and fans are happy,lose and they are not.
Those that say they enjoy defeats are liars
With respect |
Indeed - however you give yourself the best chance of getting that 3 point stat if your stat sheet reflects a good and effective style of play.
Hence why we have better overall results when we have longer balls, less pass number and less possession because that tends to lend itself to the patterns of play which represent a direct style.
There will be individual instances on both sides (wins with 80% possession and wins with 40% possession) - but the overall picture will show a very clear correlation, which I have shown already (although some choose to ignore). | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:34 - Oct 24 with 689 views | bennytheblue |
What was it for the first 7 mins? I heard we were on top……  |  | | |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 23:16 - Oct 24 with 654 views | STID2017 |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 21:44 - Oct 24 by Catullus |
Stats don't excite me if we've lost.
As we have seen from other posters on here, stats can say a lot of things that aren't always true.
Personally if someone said we'd only have 17% possession for every game from now til May but we finished top, I'd take it and I'm quite certain everybody else would too. |
Exactly.
Very few fans care about possession and other stats.
They just care if they win or lose.
Football is a simple game, just seems some have to try and make it seem more complicated | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 23:18 - Oct 24 with 652 views | STID2017 |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:09 - Oct 24 by onehunglow |
The only start hat matters is the one that sees three points to the winner.
Win and fans are happy,lose and they are not.
Those that say they enjoy defeats are liars
With respect |
I agree no one likes to lose.
Some defeats are more palatable than others though.
A winning scoreline and three points are indeed the most important stats | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 23:34 - Oct 24 with 645 views | lifelong |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 22:09 - Oct 24 by onehunglow |
The only start hat matters is the one that sees three points to the winner.
Win and fans are happy,lose and they are not.
Those that say they enjoy defeats are liars
With respect |
I’ve enjoyed a couple of games this season that we haven’t won.
It all depends if you really love football and can appreciate a good opposition performance and that we have performed well and come off second best.
Something that you just don’t have the ability to do.
With respect. |  | | |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 00:16 - Oct 25 with 624 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 23:16 - Oct 24 by STID2017 |
Exactly.
Very few fans care about possession and other stats.
They just care if they win or lose.
Football is a simple game, just seems some have to try and make it seem more complicated |
What people care about and what are fundamentally important isn’t the same thing.
Winning or losing being all fans care about doesn’t mean how that is achieved should be overlooked. | |
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| 83% Possession Yesterday on 00:56 - Oct 25 with 612 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| 83% Possession Yesterday on 15:08 - Oct 24 by STID2017 |
Antagonist?
Fishing ?
Not at all.
Just thought it worthy of it's own thread to point out that measuring possession and stats are not the be all and end all.
Personally like many enjoyed the game and the possession yesterday.
As long as we keep winning.
Shows there is more than one way to skin a cat |
I’ll point it out to you like someone seems to have pointed it out to Russell. Play possession football with the emphasis on playing it in the oppositions half rather than on the edge of our own 18 yard box .
I thought you might have noticed that. Or do you think we’ve been doing this the whole time???? |  |
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