| Pimlico Academy 10:40 - Apr 1 with 986 views | britferry |
FFS, this is getting beyond:
- can't fly a Union Jack
- can't teach about British Kings & Queens in History lessons
- multi-coloured hijabs regardless of school uniform colours
- "We believe the idea of gendered uniform for all students is a ridiculous, backwards ideal. This ostracises non-binary and gender non-conforming students, or those who are struggling with their gender identity."
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| Pimlico Academy on 11:00 - Apr 1 with 959 views | onehunglow |
and quite right too bruv,sister,neutral person .
Lia will be along soon to tell us we are a pair of sexist ,racist motherfarkers. (or fatherfarkers come to that). | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 11:14 - Apr 1 with 955 views | Catullus |
I agree about gendered uniforms but the rest of it is complete nonsense.
Maybe the History thing isn't, on second thoughts why only learn about British royalty? Specially when they are no real relevance. The problem with hsitory is it is a vast subject to cover in detail, the closer you look at a part of it, well it's like the TARDIS, you open one door and it leads to 3 more doors, open those and they all have 3 more doors and on and on. Maybe world history is more relevant and even then only if you restrict it to the last 200 hundred years, maybe? Then you risk cutting out areas that still have relevance today, like slavery. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 12:18 - Apr 1 with 927 views | britferry |
| Pimlico Academy on 11:14 - Apr 1 by Catullus |
I agree about gendered uniforms but the rest of it is complete nonsense.
Maybe the History thing isn't, on second thoughts why only learn about British royalty? Specially when they are no real relevance. The problem with hsitory is it is a vast subject to cover in detail, the closer you look at a part of it, well it's like the TARDIS, you open one door and it leads to 3 more doors, open those and they all have 3 more doors and on and on. Maybe world history is more relevant and even then only if you restrict it to the last 200 hundred years, maybe? Then you risk cutting out areas that still have relevance today, like slavery. |
because we're in Britain perhaps? | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 14:12 - Apr 1 with 890 views | Groo |
| Pimlico Academy on 11:14 - Apr 1 by Catullus |
I agree about gendered uniforms but the rest of it is complete nonsense.
Maybe the History thing isn't, on second thoughts why only learn about British royalty? Specially when they are no real relevance. The problem with hsitory is it is a vast subject to cover in detail, the closer you look at a part of it, well it's like the TARDIS, you open one door and it leads to 3 more doors, open those and they all have 3 more doors and on and on. Maybe world history is more relevant and even then only if you restrict it to the last 200 hundred years, maybe? Then you risk cutting out areas that still have relevance today, like slavery. |
Up until the 18th Century, British history was vert much driven by the sitting Monarch, who then had major influence up until the start of the 20th Century.
I would think you would find it hard to discuss British history without studying the Monarchy .
How would you teach the Norman invasion, the 100 year war, the English Civil War, conversion to Protestant religion without mentioning the 'white' Kings and Queens?
As for the flag, its the national flag of the country they live in, shouldn't be questioned when its flown. |  |
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| Pimlico Academy on 14:24 - Apr 1 with 880 views | Catullus |
| Pimlico Academy on 14:12 - Apr 1 by Groo |
Up until the 18th Century, British history was vert much driven by the sitting Monarch, who then had major influence up until the start of the 20th Century.
I would think you would find it hard to discuss British history without studying the Monarchy .
How would you teach the Norman invasion, the 100 year war, the English Civil War, conversion to Protestant religion without mentioning the 'white' Kings and Queens?
As for the flag, its the national flag of the country they live in, shouldn't be questioned when its flown. |
That's why I mentioned relevance. Elizabeth 11 has relevance, go back 400 years and kids will be asking what relevance is there to today. If we are teaching world history it gets even harder.
What you absolutely couldn't do would be to teach about foreign monarchy while leavingthe British out. That is just PC nonsense. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 14:37 - Apr 1 with 868 views | Groo |
| Pimlico Academy on 14:24 - Apr 1 by Catullus |
That's why I mentioned relevance. Elizabeth 11 has relevance, go back 400 years and kids will be asking what relevance is there to today. If we are teaching world history it gets even harder.
What you absolutely couldn't do would be to teach about foreign monarchy while leavingthe British out. That is just PC nonsense. |
It has great relevance to today, the changes made by Monarch's over time shaped the political and religious image of the Country. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 15:16 - Apr 1 with 846 views | Catullus |
| Pimlico Academy on 14:37 - Apr 1 by Groo |
It has great relevance to today, the changes made by Monarch's over time shaped the political and religious image of the Country. |
Not to an average 12-15 year old. I think we should teach history from a global perspective and that would obvioulsy include monarchy.
In the end teaching purely UK history I see as less relevant, monarchy. worldwide had such a massive role because of the power and influence To many kids history itself is a pointless, boring subject. I thought it was in school yet now I find it fascinating.
I agree you can't just leave UK monarchy out if you are teaching about other monarchies. My intial post was more of a debate starter!
On the other hand, unless you want to be a historian or a quiz expert, learning names and dates is fairly pointless compared to teaching what those monarchs did.
History is such a vast subject with so much time and so many impoertant things...what can you leave out? Schools don't have the time to teach it all so maybe things more relevant to the life they'll live would be time better spent. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 15:24 - Apr 1 with 844 views | Groo |
| Pimlico Academy on 15:16 - Apr 1 by Catullus |
Not to an average 12-15 year old. I think we should teach history from a global perspective and that would obvioulsy include monarchy.
In the end teaching purely UK history I see as less relevant, monarchy. worldwide had such a massive role because of the power and influence To many kids history itself is a pointless, boring subject. I thought it was in school yet now I find it fascinating.
I agree you can't just leave UK monarchy out if you are teaching about other monarchies. My intial post was more of a debate starter!
On the other hand, unless you want to be a historian or a quiz expert, learning names and dates is fairly pointless compared to teaching what those monarchs did.
History is such a vast subject with so much time and so many impoertant things...what can you leave out? Schools don't have the time to teach it all so maybe things more relevant to the life they'll live would be time better spent. |
There is mention of other Monarchy, especially when they interact with British History. Europeans were forever fighting each other since the Roman times.
Maybe there should be more taught about slavery for example, the how and why, but not so much it tips the relevance to the overall story.
I agree the good and bad should be taught. It should also be taught about how the whole morality of things done were because of the violence in those days, but I disagree with not teaching about it.
The whole idea of teaching history is showing where we came from, what good decisions were made in the past and what bad ones were made. History is about recognizing mistakes and not repeating them.
One good thing about teaching about other Kings and Queens would be it would show that the British were not monsters amongst angels. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 15:40 - Apr 1 with 835 views | Lohengrin |
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| Pimlico Academy on 16:00 - Apr 1 with 812 views | onehunglow |
| Pimlico Academy on 15:24 - Apr 1 by Groo |
There is mention of other Monarchy, especially when they interact with British History. Europeans were forever fighting each other since the Roman times.
Maybe there should be more taught about slavery for example, the how and why, but not so much it tips the relevance to the overall story.
I agree the good and bad should be taught. It should also be taught about how the whole morality of things done were because of the violence in those days, but I disagree with not teaching about it.
The whole idea of teaching history is showing where we came from, what good decisions were made in the past and what bad ones were made. History is about recognizing mistakes and not repeating them.
One good thing about teaching about other Kings and Queens would be it would show that the British were not monsters amongst angels. |
Canada has a pretty history too Groo,innit
I’ve got gotten over the Quebecois yet. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 16:47 - Apr 1 with 796 views | Groo |
| Pimlico Academy on 16:00 - Apr 1 by onehunglow |
Canada has a pretty history too Groo,innit
I’ve got gotten over the Quebecois yet. |
Over here my kids were taught how the British killed and evicted the Arcadians. I found myself explaining that Britain and France was at war and if the French won it would have been the British being killed and evicted.
Regarding what History to teach, the curriculum is fixed on British history to teach the kids about our past. Those that go to University tend to specialize on whatever aspect of History they want and at that point can specialize on any Country and any time. | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 17:26 - Apr 1 with 787 views | britferry |
yeah lets scrap the Tudors and replace it with David Beckham | |
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| Pimlico Academy on 20:22 - Apr 1 with 721 views | Jack59 |
Years ago, young people would have been on the streets in their tens of thousands, supporting democracy in Myanmar, or Human rights in China and Hong Kong.
This lot now are just rubbish by comparison. Selfish individuals, and just craving attention. | | | |
| Pimlico Academy on 20:46 - Apr 1 with 698 views | Flashberryjack |
| Pimlico Academy on 20:22 - Apr 1 by Jack59 |
Years ago, young people would have been on the streets in their tens of thousands, supporting democracy in Myanmar, or Human rights in China and Hong Kong.
This lot now are just rubbish by comparison. Selfish individuals, and just craving attention. |
Mozambique, Ethiopia, Syria, Myanmar and many other atrocities being committed around the world, not to mention young people being stabbed on the streets of of our major cities.
The mayor of London ripping up British history at every opportunity, Silence. |  |
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| Pimlico Academy on 22:14 - Apr 1 with 658 views | Jack59 |
| Pimlico Academy on 20:46 - Apr 1 by Flashberryjack |
Mozambique, Ethiopia, Syria, Myanmar and many other atrocities being committed around the world, not to mention young people being stabbed on the streets of of our major cities.
The mayor of London ripping up British history at every opportunity, Silence. |
Atrocities are not in vogue with our media anymore. | | | |
| Pimlico Academy on 22:45 - Apr 1 with 642 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pimlico Academy on 15:24 - Apr 1 by Groo |
There is mention of other Monarchy, especially when they interact with British History. Europeans were forever fighting each other since the Roman times.
Maybe there should be more taught about slavery for example, the how and why, but not so much it tips the relevance to the overall story.
I agree the good and bad should be taught. It should also be taught about how the whole morality of things done were because of the violence in those days, but I disagree with not teaching about it.
The whole idea of teaching history is showing where we came from, what good decisions were made in the past and what bad ones were made. History is about recognizing mistakes and not repeating them.
One good thing about teaching about other Kings and Queens would be it would show that the British were not monsters amongst angels. |
Agreed that we should teach the good and the bad.
We should also be allowed to be critical too and this is where the whole glorification of the flag becomes and issue.
Many wonderful achievements have been made under the British flag, there are also some not so wonderful things and some not entirely factual representations too.
Our flag(s) should be flown with pride, but the whole American obsession with that sort of thing doesn’t sit well with me. | | | |
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