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Austerity 19:59 - Dec 20 with 7625 viewsrockin

As I told you the last time I posted, about a year ago that we'd be growing fast and doing better than most.

Well I was wrong, we're the fastest growing developed economy and socialist france is going down the toilet.

I remember people laughing when I said we'd grow over 1% - we're on track to grow over 2% .
All indicators in right direction, sadly all welsh public services down pan due to labour welsh assembly incompetence.

But that'll never change, I realise that.
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Austerity on 22:28 - Dec 20 with 1641 viewsunion_jack

Austerity on 22:22 - Dec 20 by Swanzay

So you are charged to be ill or visit the ill? wtf?


I think it's more about each individual making a contribution.

Free prescriptions are responsible for a lot if waste unfortunately. Something is always worth more to you if you've made a contribution. See my other post about chronic illness.

Same with car parking. A pound won't break the bank but would contribute to the NHS even if only in a relatively small way.

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Austerity on 22:31 - Dec 20 with 1637 viewssomersetsimon

Austerity on 22:11 - Dec 20 by union_jack

Not just Swansea but most of Wales as a whole.

You are dead right about our future lying with the knowledge sector. We have some first class education establishments especially in Swansea and Cardiff with some very high tech departments e,g. Life Sciences. With the ageing population, the work they are doing will be very important.

WAG do invest in business and manufacturing but the small establishments that were supported by the WDA (and WAG for a short time after their demise) are hung out to dry. They don't give enough political return if they succeed whereas bigger businesses will do.

WAG is no more than a politically run organisation whose staff care (or at least they did) but are hamstrung by political policy and strategy. I should know!


To be fair, I've dealt with government R&D funding at various levels and I've found the WAG much more open to supporting small companies than the UK national government.

In general, all government support suffers from a lack of brave decisions. Let's say you work in a government dept and have a few million quid to support business. If you give it to a huge successful company and it goes wrong, nobody is going to blame you, they'll blame the company. If you take a risk and give the money to a small unknown company and it goes wrong, you'll get the blame. What do you do?

Having said that, I feel that the current government is actually doing a lot to support high-tech knowledge based industry, but, by its very nature, it's never going to be an industry that supports mass employment. I'm lucky that I work in a high-tech industry and I have the right qualifications, so I'm probably going to be ok, but I have no idea what's going to happen to those people who aren't able to get the qualifications. Where are the jobs for them?
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Austerity on 22:33 - Dec 20 with 1633 viewsJoe_bradshaw

The WAG has always changed policy wherever it is able to in order to justify its existence even if that policy doesn't amount to much. Over 90% of prescriptions in Wales were free anyway so that Labour policy benefited the wealthiest sector of society. I was paying £85 for a prescription season ticket at the time and spent that money on Champagne instead.

I realised what Champagne socialism was about as I toasted Rhodri Morgan.

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Austerity on 22:36 - Dec 20 with 1632 viewsSwanzay

I very much doubt Bruce would be in Wales if it wasn't for WAG, also CDF would never get a refit.

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Austerity on 22:37 - Dec 20 with 1632 viewsunion_jack

Austerity on 22:31 - Dec 20 by somersetsimon

To be fair, I've dealt with government R&D funding at various levels and I've found the WAG much more open to supporting small companies than the UK national government.

In general, all government support suffers from a lack of brave decisions. Let's say you work in a government dept and have a few million quid to support business. If you give it to a huge successful company and it goes wrong, nobody is going to blame you, they'll blame the company. If you take a risk and give the money to a small unknown company and it goes wrong, you'll get the blame. What do you do?

Having said that, I feel that the current government is actually doing a lot to support high-tech knowledge based industry, but, by its very nature, it's never going to be an industry that supports mass employment. I'm lucky that I work in a high-tech industry and I have the right qualifications, so I'm probably going to be ok, but I have no idea what's going to happen to those people who aren't able to get the qualifications. Where are the jobs for them?


I meant support for businesses for economic development rather than R&D. Badly written on my part.
Heavy industry is diminishing inWales and we are going to be very reliant on high tech industry where logistics are not a hampering factor. That has been a problem for us, out on a limb.

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Austerity on 22:39 - Dec 20 with 1627 viewsBanosswan

Austerity on 22:22 - Dec 20 by Swanzay

So you are charged to be ill or visit the ill? wtf?


I had to attend hospital mon-fri for 6 months for life saving treatment, I had to pay 50p a day to park and seeing as the nhs were spending 100's of thousands treating me, I didn't begrudge them that money.

Also look at the amount of people who demand antibiotics from doctors when they don't need them, start charging and people will be less inclined to demand them if they are told they don't need them.

Ever since my son was... never conceived, because I've never had consensual sex without money involved... I've always kind of looked at you as... a thing, that I could live next to... in accordance with state laws.
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Austerity on 22:44 - Dec 20 with 1615 viewsSwanzay

Austerity on 22:39 - Dec 20 by Banosswan

I had to attend hospital mon-fri for 6 months for life saving treatment, I had to pay 50p a day to park and seeing as the nhs were spending 100's of thousands treating me, I didn't begrudge them that money.

Also look at the amount of people who demand antibiotics from doctors when they don't need them, start charging and people will be less inclined to demand them if they are told they don't need them.


The money doesn't go to the hospital though, its basically another Tax, so an elderly husband/wife are charged for the privilege of seeing their beloved, nice!
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Austerity on 22:47 - Dec 20 with 1608 viewsBanosswan

Austerity on 22:44 - Dec 20 by Swanzay

The money doesn't go to the hospital though, its basically another Tax, so an elderly husband/wife are charged for the privilege of seeing their beloved, nice!


Yup.

Ever since my son was... never conceived, because I've never had consensual sex without money involved... I've always kind of looked at you as... a thing, that I could live next to... in accordance with state laws.
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Austerity on 22:59 - Dec 20 with 1599 viewsSwanzay

Austerity on 22:37 - Dec 20 by union_jack

I meant support for businesses for economic development rather than R&D. Badly written on my part.
Heavy industry is diminishing inWales and we are going to be very reliant on high tech industry where logistics are not a hampering factor. That has been a problem for us, out on a limb.


It doesn't have to be heavy industry though,industry of any sector should be able to succeed in Wales or the UK for that matter.
The sad thing is that younger generations (an analogy) see even basics as changing a car tyre as point in a computer game as opposed to doing the reality. The only now how to do it by pressing buttons on a xbox.
When I grew up my dad taught me how to change the oil, spark plugs, break pads, exhaust etc on a car, we are becoming a 2D and RAC reliant!
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Austerity on 23:04 - Dec 20 with 1594 viewsBanosswan

Austerity on 22:59 - Dec 20 by Swanzay

It doesn't have to be heavy industry though,industry of any sector should be able to succeed in Wales or the UK for that matter.
The sad thing is that younger generations (an analogy) see even basics as changing a car tyre as point in a computer game as opposed to doing the reality. The only now how to do it by pressing buttons on a xbox.
When I grew up my dad taught me how to change the oil, spark plugs, break pads, exhaust etc on a car, we are becoming a 2D and RAC reliant!


Didn't teach you how to spell though ;) (joke!)

I agree with the car things, but then I also learnt how to sew and cook. Ultimately that has absolutely nothing to do with my career. Labour's "education for all" is the problem. What's wrong with saying to a "non academic" 14 year old that they should maybe pursue a career as a plumber, mechanic, sparky etc? They all earn more than me with my degree!

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Austerity on 23:19 - Dec 20 with 1579 viewsSwanzay

Austerity on 23:04 - Dec 20 by Banosswan

Didn't teach you how to spell though ;) (joke!)

I agree with the car things, but then I also learnt how to sew and cook. Ultimately that has absolutely nothing to do with my career. Labour's "education for all" is the problem. What's wrong with saying to a "non academic" 14 year old that they should maybe pursue a career as a plumber, mechanic, sparky etc? They all earn more than me with my degree!


Nothing , plumbers etc as you say make a tidy valid living and good on them (nothing against them, in most cases), again though things within context can be learned to do yourself..
To give you an example, changing a tap these days seems to be something that most peeps have to call a professional to do, as there is no computer game available to show how its done!
No wonder they make money and good luck to them!
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Austerity on 23:33 - Dec 20 with 1577 viewsGlyn1

Which is still half the increase that the Labour Government was achieving at the last election, before the Tories got in and stopped that recovery.

Economies go in cycles of boom and bust and Osbourne hasn"t caused whatever growth there is - he just slowed it down from arriving sooner

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Austerity on 23:41 - Dec 20 with 1573 viewsSwanzay

Austerity on 23:33 - Dec 20 by Glyn1

Which is still half the increase that the Labour Government was achieving at the last election, before the Tories got in and stopped that recovery.

Economies go in cycles of boom and bust and Osbourne hasn"t caused whatever growth there is - he just slowed it down from arriving sooner


Sadly labour and Cons are equally guilty of being utter kants!
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Austerity on 23:43 - Dec 20 with 1572 viewsFree_Willy

Hollande is doing a fantastic job in France and is certainly helping to reduce inequality over there. Rich people leave = less income disparity = utopia. Now wheres my bongo drums.
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Austerity on 23:48 - Dec 20 with 1570 viewsSwanzay

No comment Daz?
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Austerity on 23:57 - Dec 20 with 1566 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Austerity on 23:33 - Dec 20 by Glyn1

Which is still half the increase that the Labour Government was achieving at the last election, before the Tories got in and stopped that recovery.

Economies go in cycles of boom and bust and Osbourne hasn"t caused whatever growth there is - he just slowed it down from arriving sooner


Gordon Brown abolished boom and bust years ago mun.

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Austerity on 00:22 - Dec 21 with 1556 viewsrockin

It's this sort of nonsense that really gets to me, labour were running a budget deficit of over 11% and the eurozone crisis had not hit at that point.

The coalition came in at the teeth of a eurozone crisis and record peacetime deficit.

It's no wonder people still vote labour with this sort of delusion.
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Austerity on 01:09 - Dec 21 with 1548 viewsCottsy

Austerity on 20:43 - Dec 20 by rockin

Believe it or not since this Gov has been in the rich, poor gap has reduced.

Fact.


Yeah but everyone getting poorer isn't the way the rich/poor gap is meant to be reduced.

If this governments plans for permanent austerity are carried out in the long term as David Cameron gleefully announced from his gold throne ( http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/13/david-cameron-austerity-pub ) then the lives of those at the bottom of the pile and even those in the middle of the pile are just going to get worse.

Austerity clearly isn't working, is a 1-2% growth really worth it when millions of people are struggling to feed themselves and heat their homes? When the cost of living is spiraling out of control? When poor people are being forced to pay a spare bedroom tax because they don't live in nonexistant 1 or 2 bedroom properties? When millions of people are under employed, earning low wages or on zero hour contracts?

The government has nothing but contempt for the poor in this country, many of whom are only poor because of this government, you only have to look at the behaviour of the few Tory MPs who bothered to turn up to the food banks debate for proof. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-leaves-commons-d

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Austerity on 01:20 - Dec 21 with 1544 viewsrockin

That's cheeky coming from a socialist.

Even your most devout socialist would have to admit for genuine equality to occur we'd all have to be poorer as result.

I'm not a Thatcherite, but I can't explain it better than what Maggie says here:

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Austerity on 01:26 - Dec 21 with 1540 viewsCottsy

"I'm not a Thatcherite"


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Austerity on 01:29 - Dec 21 with 1538 viewsrockin

Yeah well I'm not - maybe on here I'm to the right of Hayek but outside the labour bubble I'm really not.

I' m a fiscal conservative - that's not Thatcherite
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Austerity on 01:34 - Dec 21 with 1535 viewsCottsy

Austerity on 01:29 - Dec 21 by rockin

Yeah well I'm not - maybe on here I'm to the right of Hayek but outside the labour bubble I'm really not.

I' m a fiscal conservative - that's not Thatcherite


You would have all public services sold off and turned into state subsidised, foreign owned, regional monopolies just like Maggie started to do and just like the Thatcherite profiterole that we have as leader is continuing to do.

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Austerity on 08:54 - Dec 21 with 1505 viewsepaul

I cant believe the shite spouted on here about how wonderful things are going to be. The scum govt have spent more already that the whole term of the last labour govt. I despise what the Labour party have become. We have over half a million people using food banks, in fact dependant on them yet this govt refuses help from europe. A minister laughing as discussed in the the HoP. This is your scum parties attitude

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"Labour's Sir Gerald Kaufman described McVey's speech as the nastiest he had heard in his 43 years as an MP."

enough said.

The b*stards are dismantling the NHS to privatise it, disabled people being force to work, the bedroom tax which has cause some to commit suicide.

Yep the richest 1% are making all the money in this fragile upturn

makes me fukin sick how people can support these c*nts

The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day The b*stards are coming back though

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Austerity on 09:10 - Dec 21 with 1501 viewsdgt73

Austerity on 08:54 - Dec 21 by epaul

I cant believe the shite spouted on here about how wonderful things are going to be. The scum govt have spent more already that the whole term of the last labour govt. I despise what the Labour party have become. We have over half a million people using food banks, in fact dependant on them yet this govt refuses help from europe. A minister laughing as discussed in the the HoP. This is your scum parties attitude

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-leaves-commons-d

"Labour's Sir Gerald Kaufman described McVey's speech as the nastiest he had heard in his 43 years as an MP."

enough said.

The b*stards are dismantling the NHS to privatise it, disabled people being force to work, the bedroom tax which has cause some to commit suicide.

Yep the richest 1% are making all the money in this fragile upturn

makes me fukin sick how people can support these c*nts


Its not just this particular government that's the problem its the whole so-called democratic system in this country. You think you have a choice who to vote for on election day, but in reality you don't as all the big political partys serve the same masters.

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Austerity on 09:16 - Dec 21 with 1495 viewsepaul

Austerity on 09:10 - Dec 21 by dgt73

Its not just this particular government that's the problem its the whole so-called democratic system in this country. You think you have a choice who to vote for on election day, but in reality you don't as all the big political partys serve the same masters.


Absolutely and thats why I despair at what the Labour party has become. For me I will not vote for tory scum as in betraying my working class ethics (even though Labour aint working class anymore)


The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day The b*stards are coming back though

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