| Why can't the UK 13:03 - Mar 20 with 3899 views | Boundy |
I've just seen a BBC report on how the Irish Republic deal with illegal immigrants coming in from the north. they have at certain crossing points into the republic vehicle checks and in which when if unable to prove their status the occupants are returned to the north the same day , no fuss ,no issues , so why are we in the UK obliged to spend hundreds of millions on those who shouldn't be here .
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| Why can't the UK on 13:28 - Mar 24 with 985 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Why can't the UK on 19:25 - Mar 22 by max936 |
Where you been, he's never been any different. |
I am a free market supporter that believes in free choice. Most pensioners worked for 40 year or more and if they pilut a minimum and modest sum into a pension and monitored it they would be worth a fortune now. Similarly if they bought a house.
The government give handouts after 66 or 67 and cost health treatment is free at the point of delivery. Everyone was given a free education in n basic maths.
If you are skint in your 60 s and 70s it is likely to be either extremely bad luck or bad life choices. It was another mild winter in Swansea. Were there frosts at all.? If the house is cold then pay then get the property lagged.
US citizen have to paid a fortune for health. [Post edited 24 Mar 13:34]
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| Why can't the UK on 13:49 - Mar 24 with 959 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 13:28 - Mar 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am a free market supporter that believes in free choice. Most pensioners worked for 40 year or more and if they pilut a minimum and modest sum into a pension and monitored it they would be worth a fortune now. Similarly if they bought a house.
The government give handouts after 66 or 67 and cost health treatment is free at the point of delivery. Everyone was given a free education in n basic maths.
If you are skint in your 60 s and 70s it is likely to be either extremely bad luck or bad life choices. It was another mild winter in Swansea. Were there frosts at all.? If the house is cold then pay then get the property lagged.
US citizen have to paid a fortune for health. [Post edited 24 Mar 13:34]
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| Why can't the UK on 15:06 - Mar 24 with 911 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Why can't the UK on 13:28 - Mar 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am a free market supporter that believes in free choice. Most pensioners worked for 40 year or more and if they pilut a minimum and modest sum into a pension and monitored it they would be worth a fortune now. Similarly if they bought a house.
The government give handouts after 66 or 67 and cost health treatment is free at the point of delivery. Everyone was given a free education in n basic maths.
If you are skint in your 60 s and 70s it is likely to be either extremely bad luck or bad life choices. It was another mild winter in Swansea. Were there frosts at all.? If the house is cold then pay then get the property lagged.
US citizen have to paid a fortune for health. [Post edited 24 Mar 13:34]
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If they'd rather die then they better do it and decrease the surplus population eh? |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 20:33 - Mar 24 with 816 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Why can't the UK on 15:06 - Mar 24 by Vincent_Vega |
If they'd rather die then they better do it and decrease the surplus population eh? |
UK citizens are world class moaners that believe it is the job of the taxpayer to keep everybody well fed and warm. I do not believe this. Families should look after their own children and elderly relatives. Benefits are too generous for sure.
Where there is an over generous benefit system people can spend all their spare cash and throw themselves at the mercy of the taxpayer. This country is surviving on foreign loans from nations where it is considerably colder in winter. This is putting the burden on our children and grand children.
People who are genuinely cold in winter can fill in a form and be assessed. If you live on the coast forget it. Old people seem to get by in Siberia and central north America. [Post edited 24 Mar 22:11]
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| Why can't the UK on 22:15 - Mar 24 with 767 views | max936 |
| Why can't the UK on 13:49 - Mar 24 by raynor94 |
Let them eat cake |
I've no idea as to why he quotes me and replies he's on ignore I've no time for him or his constant gobbledegook and abhorrent views. |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 08:20 - Mar 25 with 695 views | onehunglow |
| Why can't the UK on 20:33 - Mar 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
UK citizens are world class moaners that believe it is the job of the taxpayer to keep everybody well fed and warm. I do not believe this. Families should look after their own children and elderly relatives. Benefits are too generous for sure.
Where there is an over generous benefit system people can spend all their spare cash and throw themselves at the mercy of the taxpayer. This country is surviving on foreign loans from nations where it is considerably colder in winter. This is putting the burden on our children and grand children.
People who are genuinely cold in winter can fill in a form and be assessed. If you live on the coast forget it. Old people seem to get by in Siberia and central north America. [Post edited 24 Mar 22:11]
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| Why can't the UK on 09:39 - Mar 26 with 552 views | controversial_jack |
It would be interesting to know how many in this country have actually died from hypothermia in their homes. I would think very low probably zero | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 09:41 - Mar 26 with 551 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 09:39 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
It would be interesting to know how many in this country have actually died from hypothermia in their homes. I would think very low probably zero |
So you don't believe in heat or eat | |
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| Why can't the UK on 10:02 - Mar 26 with 538 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 09:41 - Mar 26 by raynor94 |
So you don't believe in heat or eat |
I don't know. Fortunately like you i'm not in that position. As pensioners, you and I have lot's of disposable income and can afford holidays twice a year | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 11:54 - Mar 26 with 498 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 10:02 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
I don't know. Fortunately like you i'm not in that position. As pensioners, you and I have lot's of disposable income and can afford holidays twice a year |
Can't argue with that, but it doesn't stop me being concerned with people a lot less well off.
There a lot who lost their wfa are now going to be clobbered with welfare cuts.
Not my idea of a Labour Party | |
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| Why can't the UK on 12:15 - Mar 26 with 451 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 11:54 - Mar 26 by raynor94 |
Can't argue with that, but it doesn't stop me being concerned with people a lot less well off.
There a lot who lost their wfa are now going to be clobbered with welfare cuts.
Not my idea of a Labour Party |
Yes, the party has changed, but the left under Corbyn was rejected by the voters. It had to become more centrist to get into power. i don't know what the people of this country want. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 12:38 - Mar 26 with 436 views | majorraglan |
| Why can't the UK on 12:15 - Mar 26 by controversial_jack |
Yes, the party has changed, but the left under Corbyn was rejected by the voters. It had to become more centrist to get into power. i don't know what the people of this country want. |
That’s a fair point.
On the one hand we’ve complaints about poor services, complaints about cuts to services, complaints about cuts to benefits and on the other hand complaints about paying too much tax! There had to be a balance which I think most people agree on, but the question of where the balance lays is where it gets tricky and not everyone is going to be happy.
Do we need to cut benefits? Absolutely because less people paying tax can’t be expected to bail out more of those who don’t work, but the question is how do we do it? As unpopular as cutting benefits is, at least we’re seeing some positive action taking place and it’s well overdue because there’s plenty of people out there milking the system. The key to getting it tight is to take a pragmatic sensible approach and to sort the workshy out.
I don’t believe benefits like the WFA should be distributed to every pensioner, instead it needs to hr targeted to those who need it, but the threshold that’s been applied i.e. pension credit is much too low. I’d like to see the tax threshold which was frozen by Sunak and subsequently extended by Hunt unfrozen and increased to provide relief to pensioners and those who work thereby encouraging more people to get off their backsides: | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 13:17 - Mar 26 with 402 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 12:38 - Mar 26 by majorraglan |
That’s a fair point.
On the one hand we’ve complaints about poor services, complaints about cuts to services, complaints about cuts to benefits and on the other hand complaints about paying too much tax! There had to be a balance which I think most people agree on, but the question of where the balance lays is where it gets tricky and not everyone is going to be happy.
Do we need to cut benefits? Absolutely because less people paying tax can’t be expected to bail out more of those who don’t work, but the question is how do we do it? As unpopular as cutting benefits is, at least we’re seeing some positive action taking place and it’s well overdue because there’s plenty of people out there milking the system. The key to getting it tight is to take a pragmatic sensible approach and to sort the workshy out.
I don’t believe benefits like the WFA should be distributed to every pensioner, instead it needs to hr targeted to those who need it, but the threshold that’s been applied i.e. pension credit is much too low. I’d like to see the tax threshold which was frozen by Sunak and subsequently extended by Hunt unfrozen and increased to provide relief to pensioners and those who work thereby encouraging more people to get off their backsides: |
The entire benefits system needs a root and bracnch review. We're not going to get that from Labour becasue the left of the party pull them back.
For instance I know someone with what is at present a minor condition who has been awarded attendance allowance. He's on a good pension and has now got an extra £400 a month. For some reason, despite being better off than he has been for many years, he also qualifies to pay less council tax?
I know someone else who inherited in the region of £9k, booked a holiday to Turkey this Spring, Cyprus in the Autumn and will spend New Year in Hurghada. They were also successful in being awarded a discretionary housing payment because they had no money left to pay rent. Effectively council tax payers have subsidised her holiday.
We need to help those that need it and not reward those that don't. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 13:37 - Mar 26 with 394 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 13:17 - Mar 26 by Scotia |
The entire benefits system needs a root and bracnch review. We're not going to get that from Labour becasue the left of the party pull them back.
For instance I know someone with what is at present a minor condition who has been awarded attendance allowance. He's on a good pension and has now got an extra £400 a month. For some reason, despite being better off than he has been for many years, he also qualifies to pay less council tax?
I know someone else who inherited in the region of £9k, booked a holiday to Turkey this Spring, Cyprus in the Autumn and will spend New Year in Hurghada. They were also successful in being awarded a discretionary housing payment because they had no money left to pay rent. Effectively council tax payers have subsidised her holiday.
We need to help those that need it and not reward those that don't. |
Concerning your second paragraph, what are you classing as a minor condition? He's obviously over the age of 66, and the Council tax deduction must be a single person living on their own. | |
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| Why can't the UK on 13:43 - Mar 26 with 383 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 13:37 - Mar 26 by raynor94 |
Concerning your second paragraph, what are you classing as a minor condition? He's obviously over the age of 66, and the Council tax deduction must be a single person living on their own. |
Very mild vascular dementia, he's been allowed to renew his driving licence for 3 years from diagnosis.
He doesn't live on his own but is over 66. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 13:53 - Mar 26 with 367 views | majorraglan |
| Why can't the UK on 13:43 - Mar 26 by Scotia |
Very mild vascular dementia, he's been allowed to renew his driving licence for 3 years from diagnosis.
He doesn't live on his own but is over 66. |
Based on what you’ve said that’s a shocking set of circumstances and should never be allowed to happen, if they are fit enough to drive they shouldn’t be eligible for additional funding for dementia. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 14:10 - Mar 26 with 359 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 13:43 - Mar 26 by Scotia |
Very mild vascular dementia, he's been allowed to renew his driving licence for 3 years from diagnosis.
He doesn't live on his own but is over 66. |
Well you must be some kind of medical person, to say its very mild, and surely the fault lies with the DVLA if they are renewing his licence on his medical condition.
And as money he's either on the lower level, around £300 or the higher level of around £450.
Dwp must think he's entitled to it | |
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| Why can't the UK on 14:50 - Mar 26 with 331 views | onehunglow |
| Why can't the UK on 14:10 - Mar 26 by raynor94 |
Well you must be some kind of medical person, to say its very mild, and surely the fault lies with the DVLA if they are renewing his licence on his medical condition.
And as money he's either on the lower level, around £300 or the higher level of around £450.
Dwp must think he's entitled to it |
I've been quiet of late for a few reasons but one of them is the fact that some posts wind me up
I've decided be countless courses and read philosophers from Epidictus to Seneca about stoicism but I'm finding it hard not to seethe at some of which I see which to me lack basic humanity
Without any doubt , old folk are being targeted as easy pickings to sate the warped policies of this government, every bit as rotten as the past but at least Boris hardly hid his contempt for us plebs
A country is defined in some it looks after its old folk.
Comparisons with Scandinavia and Netherlands are viscerally painful | |
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| Why can't the UK on 20:22 - Mar 26 with 274 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Why can't the UK on 12:38 - Mar 26 by majorraglan |
That’s a fair point.
On the one hand we’ve complaints about poor services, complaints about cuts to services, complaints about cuts to benefits and on the other hand complaints about paying too much tax! There had to be a balance which I think most people agree on, but the question of where the balance lays is where it gets tricky and not everyone is going to be happy.
Do we need to cut benefits? Absolutely because less people paying tax can’t be expected to bail out more of those who don’t work, but the question is how do we do it? As unpopular as cutting benefits is, at least we’re seeing some positive action taking place and it’s well overdue because there’s plenty of people out there milking the system. The key to getting it tight is to take a pragmatic sensible approach and to sort the workshy out.
I don’t believe benefits like the WFA should be distributed to every pensioner, instead it needs to hr targeted to those who need it, but the threshold that’s been applied i.e. pension credit is much too low. I’d like to see the tax threshold which was frozen by Sunak and subsequently extended by Hunt unfrozen and increased to provide relief to pensioners and those who work thereby encouraging more people to get off their backsides: |
Yes there are people who milk the system but at both ends, those who defraud the benefits and those who dodge tax. The main difference is the tax system has loopholes and is set up to benefit the very rich who sometimes pay less in tax than a worker on an average wage.
The benefits system needs a total overhaul and the tax system needs to be massively simplified so people cannot use loopholes to pay less than is due.
As a basic rule we should not be giving benefits to the well off and rich. Perosnally we get child benefit which we don't need but we can't give it back, we can give it to charity but not back to the state to go to people genuinely in need. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 20:27 - Mar 26 with 262 views | Whiterockin |
| Why can't the UK on 20:22 - Mar 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes there are people who milk the system but at both ends, those who defraud the benefits and those who dodge tax. The main difference is the tax system has loopholes and is set up to benefit the very rich who sometimes pay less in tax than a worker on an average wage.
The benefits system needs a total overhaul and the tax system needs to be massively simplified so people cannot use loopholes to pay less than is due.
As a basic rule we should not be giving benefits to the well off and rich. Perosnally we get child benefit which we don't need but we can't give it back, we can give it to charity but not back to the state to go to people genuinely in need. |
Some on benifits defraud the benifit system and dodge tax by working for cash in hand. You don't have to be very rich to dodge tax. |  | | |
| Why can't the UK on 21:46 - Mar 26 with 181 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Why can't the UK on 14:03 - Mar 23 by raynor94 |
Welsh and British, so what's your thoughts on your age group voting for Brexit? |
Anyone who voted Brexit lacks critical thinking because they had no way of knowing what they voted for. It was never defined.
The liars said ‘Brexit means Brexit’, which is moronic.
‘Get Brexit Done’ and ‘A Red, White, and Blue Brexit’. Yep total bollox.
Like you i voted for Remain.
You knew what Remain meant.
Yes it needed to improved but walking away was not going to fix it.
Does not matter what age group i am in, but it was clear that Farage appealed to older white voters who seem to have voted to make the UK like it was when they were younger.
The fact is they did not care a toss about the working young.
As it’s nearly 10 years ago many of these older voters will have passed away.
But their idiotic vote will do the uk permanent damage every year until this decision is reversed.
My position on this will never change.
Here is Farage arriving at his rally with war time air raid sirens playing, he is playing to his older voter base. Click link and play video.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/jun/30/nigel-farage-unveils-brex
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| Why can't the UK on 22:04 - Mar 26 with 139 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 21:46 - Mar 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Anyone who voted Brexit lacks critical thinking because they had no way of knowing what they voted for. It was never defined.
The liars said ‘Brexit means Brexit’, which is moronic.
‘Get Brexit Done’ and ‘A Red, White, and Blue Brexit’. Yep total bollox.
Like you i voted for Remain.
You knew what Remain meant.
Yes it needed to improved but walking away was not going to fix it.
Does not matter what age group i am in, but it was clear that Farage appealed to older white voters who seem to have voted to make the UK like it was when they were younger.
The fact is they did not care a toss about the working young.
As it’s nearly 10 years ago many of these older voters will have passed away.
But their idiotic vote will do the uk permanent damage every year until this decision is reversed.
My position on this will never change.
Here is Farage arriving at his rally with war time air raid sirens playing, he is playing to his older voter base. Click link and play video.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/jun/30/nigel-farage-unveils-brex
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| Why can't the UK on 22:10 - Mar 26 with 122 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 14:10 - Mar 26 by raynor94 |
Well you must be some kind of medical person, to say its very mild, and surely the fault lies with the DVLA if they are renewing his licence on his medical condition.
And as money he's either on the lower level, around £300 or the higher level of around £450.
Dwp must think he's entitled to it |
It's what his diagnosis said. Not my diagnosis, although I'm genuinely surprised he's been diagnosed at all.
A nurse then visited him to tell him to make the claim. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 22:10 - Mar 26 with 122 views | majorraglan |
| Why can't the UK on 20:22 - Mar 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes there are people who milk the system but at both ends, those who defraud the benefits and those who dodge tax. The main difference is the tax system has loopholes and is set up to benefit the very rich who sometimes pay less in tax than a worker on an average wage.
The benefits system needs a total overhaul and the tax system needs to be massively simplified so people cannot use loopholes to pay less than is due.
As a basic rule we should not be giving benefits to the well off and rich. Perosnally we get child benefit which we don't need but we can't give it back, we can give it to charity but not back to the state to go to people genuinely in need. |
I agree with your comments about the tax system and some paying a lot less than they ought to, I also agree with you that the tax system and benefit system need an overhaul, it can’t be right that generations of families can freeload off the state without putting anything back in, or hobble without recourse.
In terms of benefits for the rich, would you classify the state pension as a benefit? Child benefit is targeted and “high earners” lose it. The targeting is very crude though and unfair. I know a guy who was a senior grade manager in a big organisation, he was married (wife didn’t work) and they had 2 kids. He earned slightly over the Child benefit cap and lost the benefit. Two of his under managers were married, they had 2 children between them and as they both individually earned slightly under the threshold they retained the child benefit entitlement even though collectively they earned about £40k more than the senior manager. The system defo needs looking at. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 22:16 - Mar 26 with 114 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 13:53 - Mar 26 by majorraglan |
Based on what you’ve said that’s a shocking set of circumstances and should never be allowed to happen, if they are fit enough to drive they shouldn’t be eligible for additional funding for dementia. |
This is the entire problem. This situation isn't unique but there is no joined up thinking and too many benefits require no evidence to get.
Why be able to drive but get financial help to have someone look after yourself?
Why be able to book a holiday but get emergency help to pay the rent?
Why get benefits when you've got £16k in the bank? (And more in cash in a safe in the house)
I'm not making these situations up, I've got direct experience of these and my wife has told me of her direct experience with many more. [Post edited 26 Mar 22:17]
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