| Trump and Vance 18:21 - Feb 28 with 3225 views | raynor94 |
Unbelievable scenes in the White House, both accusing Zelensky of being disrespectful and starting World War 3.
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| Trump and Vance on 23:42 - Feb 28 with 970 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Trump and Vance on 23:07 - Feb 28 by controversial_jack |
There's nothing democratic about the Ukraine. They had a violent coup in 2014 that overthrew a govt and it's been a mess ever since.
Trump was correct, although he was disrespectful. Ukraine are losing and Zelensky has very little options. |
No one is winning. Ukraine is losing potato fields and Russian is losing Oil refinery capabilities military equipment and 1000s of men every day. Export loses are massive.
Ukraine will fight and $300 billion of Russian money is in a vault in Belgium ready to be spent. It shows what an idiot Putin is . That he did not move it.
No one is allowed to criticise Putin. You, Sachs, McGregor, Ritter, Galloway and now Vance and Trump. |  |
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| Trump and Vance on 03:48 - Mar 1 with 859 views | mangohilljack |
If you watch the whole video it's clear Zelensky was a bit unhinged before the arguments happen. His rant about Putin is insane on the world stage, he basically confirms his stance is continue the fighting with no intention of talking peace or negotiate, but rather try and manipulate more money from Trump.
So Zelensky has been encouraged by some WEF leaders (In Europe who are not ready to relinquish the kick backs just yet, he also met with major US war mongers prior) to take on Trump in front of the media and it has backfired big time.
This is 100% the EU trying to take down Trump and this is really exposing the globalist agenda and it's danger.
The European leaders messages of support straight after goes to show this was in fact a set up. |  | | |
| Trump and Vance on 09:17 - Mar 1 with 795 views | builthjack |
Nobody likes a bully. That’s what Trump is. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Trump and Vance on 09:25 - Mar 1 with 787 views | raynor94 |
| Trump and Vance on 09:17 - Mar 1 by builthjack |
Nobody likes a bully. That’s what Trump is. |
I think Vance was the bully, knew exactly what he was doing firing Trump up, as excruciating as that meeting was there has to be an end to this war.
Interesting to hear what Starmer has to say today | |
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| Trump and Vance on 09:46 - Mar 1 with 763 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 23:42 - Feb 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No one is winning. Ukraine is losing potato fields and Russian is losing Oil refinery capabilities military equipment and 1000s of men every day. Export loses are massive.
Ukraine will fight and $300 billion of Russian money is in a vault in Belgium ready to be spent. It shows what an idiot Putin is . That he did not move it.
No one is allowed to criticise Putin. You, Sachs, McGregor, Ritter, Galloway and now Vance and Trump. |
Of course the Ukraine is losing, even Trump said so. Ukraine has lost about 1 million men and Russia up to 100k.It's on a scale NATO can't even imagine.,
Ukraine is under pressure on all fronts.The Russian economy is doing fine. Factory order books are full and one of their main banks just reported huge profits. As trump said to Zelensky you have no options and no cards. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 09:53 - Mar 1 with 744 views | onehunglow |
So , a fascist rooted dictator on one hand and a KGB multi killer on other
In the middle a convicted sexual predator and muti insulted
Yet, Zelenskyy the bad guy
It's time for Jehovah God to return to earth and wipe out this rotten world
Folks, it's time
It's been good to know ya | |
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| Trump and Vance on 10:01 - Mar 1 with 719 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 09:53 - Mar 1 by onehunglow |
So , a fascist rooted dictator on one hand and a KGB multi killer on other
In the middle a convicted sexual predator and muti insulted
Yet, Zelenskyy the bad guy
It's time for Jehovah God to return to earth and wipe out this rotten world
Folks, it's time
It's been good to know ya |
Zelensky has been the victim in a way. Promised the world by NATO, then thrown under the bus. Pressurized by Johnson to walk away from peace talks. However he has invoked many dictatorial powers. Blocking elections, banning opposition parties, consolidating the media under govt control, banning churches., press ganging men into military service.
He's irrelevant from now on, his time is up one way or the other | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 10:05 - Mar 1 with 711 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Trump and Vance on 09:46 - Mar 1 by controversial_jack |
Of course the Ukraine is losing, even Trump said so. Ukraine has lost about 1 million men and Russia up to 100k.It's on a scale NATO can't even imagine.,
Ukraine is under pressure on all fronts.The Russian economy is doing fine. Factory order books are full and one of their main banks just reported huge profits. As trump said to Zelensky you have no options and no cards. |
Trumps grasp of figures is not great. He quotes $350 billion but it is bogus. USA is winning and are doing better the war goes on. They have ravaged the Russian army using their sub contractors Ukraine who have demolished the Russian navy. Russia have gained land but struggling badly.
US have handed over old kit and renewed their own using money Trump is looking to get paid for.
Europe has $ 300 billion of Putin's money and need to give it to Ukraine to buy Europes and Americas hardware.
The donkeys have been mobilised. The Russians cannot manage on their own and need help.
The record of imperial powers invading dogged and proud independent countries is very poor . Vietnam Laos Afghanistan Lebanon, Haiti.
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| Trump and Vance on 10:20 - Mar 1 with 700 views | bennytheblue |
| Trump and Vance on 23:07 - Feb 28 by controversial_jack |
There's nothing democratic about the Ukraine. They had a violent coup in 2014 that overthrew a govt and it's been a mess ever since.
Trump was correct, although he was disrespectful. Ukraine are losing and Zelensky has very little options. |
And who instigated that coup? Trump goes on and on about previous regimes like it doesn’t make the USA accountable….he thinks it was great that was all on TV and it sure was, great to see him and that absolute bell Vance trying to bully Zelenskyy into giving away all ukraines minerals. Yeah we all saw what your really about Trump, the Putin love in is alive and well like we all knew before you got elected again. |  | | |
| Trump and Vance on 10:24 - Mar 1 with 682 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 10:20 - Mar 1 by bennytheblue |
And who instigated that coup? Trump goes on and on about previous regimes like it doesn’t make the USA accountable….he thinks it was great that was all on TV and it sure was, great to see him and that absolute bell Vance trying to bully Zelenskyy into giving away all ukraines minerals. Yeah we all saw what your really about Trump, the Putin love in is alive and well like we all knew before you got elected again. |
This plan has been in place since the 90s. It's basically a continuation of the 19th century great game with Britain v Russia. Substitute the US for Britain and there we have it.
For Russia, it's about security against NATO expansionism, but for the US it's about stealing resources | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 12:59 - Mar 1 with 627 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 03:48 - Mar 1 by mangohilljack |
If you watch the whole video it's clear Zelensky was a bit unhinged before the arguments happen. His rant about Putin is insane on the world stage, he basically confirms his stance is continue the fighting with no intention of talking peace or negotiate, but rather try and manipulate more money from Trump.
So Zelensky has been encouraged by some WEF leaders (In Europe who are not ready to relinquish the kick backs just yet, he also met with major US war mongers prior) to take on Trump in front of the media and it has backfired big time.
This is 100% the EU trying to take down Trump and this is really exposing the globalist agenda and it's danger.
The European leaders messages of support straight after goes to show this was in fact a set up. |
The term "useful idiot" comes to mind.... | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 13:03 - Mar 1 with 623 views | KeithHaynes |
| Trump and Vance on 20:05 - Feb 28 by Gwyn737 |
What message would achieving peace in this way would send to the world?
Invade a sovereign country, take land, millions die and then profit for it when a bully has deemed that’s that’s enough. |
Not so sure if that would be the outcome, talks would follow a ceasefire. Zelensky could back out but at lease a peace for now would be agreed. I’m just concerned about thousands of humans who will continue to die as a result. Not how big a concourse is. |  |
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| Trump and Vance on 13:11 - Mar 1 with 611 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 13:03 - Mar 1 by KeithHaynes |
Not so sure if that would be the outcome, talks would follow a ceasefire. Zelensky could back out but at lease a peace for now would be agreed. I’m just concerned about thousands of humans who will continue to die as a result. Not how big a concourse is. |
PK they have a ceasefire and talks begin, Putin has said he wants to keep all he already has and Trump agreed. Then Trump tiold Ukraine to keep getting support they need to sign the deal giving the USA billions in mineral rights BUT he wouldn't guatrantee their security leaving the door open for Putin in the future.
What kind of a deal is that? | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 18:55 - Mar 1 with 531 views | johnlangy |
Vance talked about diplomacy with Putin being the answer to stopping the war. Zelensky asked him a simple question.
He said Putin signed a ceasefire agreement in 2019 after the Crimea invasion (Macron and Merkel also involved in the negotiations). A couple of years later he just ignored the agreement and invaded Ukraine again. So he asked what sort of diplomacy will work this time ? He was very calm and measured in asking a what to me was a very reasonable question.
Vance's response was to accuse him (Z) of coming to the Oval Office and being disrespectful in trying to litigate in front of the media.
Throughout the whole 50 minutes or so Zelensky kept calm despite his frustration because on many occasions he had to actually ASK for a chance to give his answer to the questions put because Trump just talked and talked and took over virtually the whole meeting.
I thought he did brilliantly. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 20:19 - Mar 1 with 474 views | onehunglow |
| Trump and Vance on 18:55 - Mar 1 by johnlangy |
Vance talked about diplomacy with Putin being the answer to stopping the war. Zelensky asked him a simple question.
He said Putin signed a ceasefire agreement in 2019 after the Crimea invasion (Macron and Merkel also involved in the negotiations). A couple of years later he just ignored the agreement and invaded Ukraine again. So he asked what sort of diplomacy will work this time ? He was very calm and measured in asking a what to me was a very reasonable question.
Vance's response was to accuse him (Z) of coming to the Oval Office and being disrespectful in trying to litigate in front of the media.
Throughout the whole 50 minutes or so Zelensky kept calm despite his frustration because on many occasions he had to actually ASK for a chance to give his answer to the questions put because Trump just talked and talked and took over virtually the whole meeting.
I thought he did brilliantly. |
Thank Zgod we have a poster that sees exactly what repels
Zelensky getting stick from this forum
Frankly,I feel very uncomfortable and it might bedtime for me
We have posters who have supported Putin every step of the way
Posters seeing Ukraine as responsible
Posters seeing Zelenskyy as a dictator
Posters describing Zelenskyy as basically fascist footed
We have seen the most grotesque sight in international affairs possible
Just where go from here really puzzling
Trump supports only Trump and he cannot debate nor even tolerate contrasting views | |
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| Trump and Vance on 20:50 - Mar 1 with 430 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 20:19 - Mar 1 by onehunglow |
Thank Zgod we have a poster that sees exactly what repels
Zelensky getting stick from this forum
Frankly,I feel very uncomfortable and it might bedtime for me
We have posters who have supported Putin every step of the way
Posters seeing Ukraine as responsible
Posters seeing Zelenskyy as a dictator
Posters describing Zelenskyy as basically fascist footed
We have seen the most grotesque sight in international affairs possible
Just where go from here really puzzling
Trump supports only Trump and he cannot debate nor even tolerate contrasting views |
Not me. trump is being a dick, Vance is his attack dog. Zelensky sees his country being lied about and shit on by the Americans. trump gives not a hoot about Europe apart from what he can take financially. Putin is dangerous and must be laughing at all ths "allied" tomfoolery. Strange allies we are when the USA sides with Putin as a blackmail measure. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 22:14 - Mar 1 with 381 views | GVJack |
I'm not sure of the reason or motivation, but it looks clear to me that Vance and Trump had an agenda to set Zelensky up for an argument from the moment he arrived. They clearly wanted it caught on cameras for the world to see rather than discuss thinks in private chambers which is the normal course of action. Very childish.
Someone needs to remind trump this is an incredibly serious and sensitive matter. Not a game show to flex muscles or try to improve popularity. As for Vance.... He seems like a pretty nasty piece of work. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 01:12 - Mar 2 with 335 views | RhonddaSwans |
| Trump and Vance on 18:26 - Feb 28 by theloneranger |
Press conference has been cancelled.
Trump told Zelensky to come back when he wanted peace.
American bully boy tactics at their very worst!! |
If you listened America told him straight about his propaganda tour and his acting tough .
Slava Ukraine give me money 💰.
It’s about time the war was ended I know arm chair generals won’t be happy but Trump knows how to deal with Eastern Europeans .
Vlod and Vlad need strong arming Trump could bring world peace ☮️.
If he does people won’t be happy.
Why do people want the war to continue?
Also Vlod was very rude to the Emporia of the west 😤.
I wish we could become a state of America 🇺🇸
Without their gun laws 🤣 | |
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| Trump and Vance on 03:09 - Mar 2 with 312 views | mangohilljack |
It seems that many here support the continuation of an unwinnable war.
"Standing with Ukraine" currently means that 2,000 Ukrainians are being killed or wounded every day. That is not standing with Ukraine—it is prolonging their suffering.
Zelensky’s true objective appears to be drawing a NATO country directly into the conflict. If the UK, France, Germany, or Poland proceed with their claims of deploying troops, we should not be surprised if Putin responds by extending the war to London, Paris, or other European cities. Such escalation could quickly spiral into a global conflict, with devastating consequences for all. [Post edited 2 Mar 3:20]
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| Trump and Vance on 04:02 - Mar 2 with 289 views | mangohilljack |
A Lesson in History for Those Who Need Educating:
JD Vance recently asked why Ukraine hasn’t expressed gratitude for the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars it has received. Instead of thanking America, Zelenskyy lashed out, warning that the U.S. doesn’t “understand what’s coming.”
That’s when Donald Trump shut him down with a simple truth: “You don’t have the cards right now.”
Trump was right. Zelenskyy never had the cards. He isn’t a courageous leader calling the shots—he’s a desperate man clinging to power in a crumbling regime, propped up by Western money, weapons, and propaganda. And with Ukraine losing both the PR battle and the real war, he’s panicking.
Ukraine has never been an independent actor in this war. The real power brokers are in Washington, Brussels, and London—using Ukraine as a pawn in their geopolitical games. This war was engineered to weaken Russia. But to truly understand that, you need to uncover the history they’ll never teach you.
The Deep Historical Ties Between Ukraine and Russia
Ukraine and Russia have been intertwined for over 1,000 years. Kyiv—the capital of modern Ukraine—was once the heart of Kievan Rus, the first great Slavic state that laid the foundation for Russia itself. Even the very name "Ukraine" means "borderland"—the borderland of Russia.
For centuries, Ukraine was an integral part of the Russian Empire, not an "oppressed" nation. Even under the Soviet Union, Ukraine wasn’t occupied—it was central to the USSR, producing leaders like Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian himself.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine became independent. But Washington didn’t see this as an opportunity to help Ukraine—it saw a chance to weaponise Ukraine against Russia.
NATO’s Broken Promises and Western Meddling
The U.S. and NATO lied to Mikhail Gorbachev, promising they would not expand “one inch eastward.” Yet NATO steadily moved into Poland, the Baltic States, and beyond. Ukraine was the ultimate prize.
The West poured billions into Ukraine—funding pro-NATO political groups, NGOs, and media outlets to manufacture an anti-Russian state.
2004: The CIA backed the Orange Revolution, overturning an election that favoured a pro-Russian candidate.
2014: The real coup.
Ukraine’s democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, rejected an EU trade deal that would have devastated Ukraine’s economy. That was unacceptable to Washington. So, they removed him through a Western-backed coup—the so-called "Maidan Revolution."
This wasn’t a grassroots movement—it was orchestrated by U.S. officials like Victoria Nuland, who was caught on a leaked call handpicking Ukraine’s next leader before Yanukovych was even gone.
The violent mobs that took over Kyiv weren’t peaceful protesters—they were led by neo-Nazi groups like the Azov Battalion, which openly celebrates Nazi collaborators and wears SS insignia. These same groups now receive Western weapons.
The War in Donbass and Crimea: What Really Happened
After the coup, the new Ukrainian government banned the Russian language, targeting millions of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east. That’s when Crimea and Donbass had enough.
Crimea held a referendum—over 90% voted to return to Russia.
Donbass declared independence—but Kyiv refused to let them go.
Instead, Ukraine launched a brutal war on its own people, shelling civilians for eight years. Where was the Western outrage? Nowhere.
Who Really Controls Zelenskyy?
Zelenskyy wasn’t an organic leader—he was installed.
In 2020, he secretly met with MI6 chief Richard Moore—not the UK Prime Minister, but its top spy.
He is reportedly personally protected by British security forces, not Ukrainian ones.
When he visited the Vatican, he ignored the Pope—but made sure to meet with British officials, including Richard Moore again.
Before politics, Zelenskyy was a comedian and actor—literally playing the role of Ukraine’s president on a TV show. Then, with the help of Western PR teams, fiction became reality. His campaign was bankrolled by oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, who owned Ukraine’s largest oil company and bank.
Once in power, Zelenskyy didn’t fight corruption—he handed Ukraine’s economy over to BlackRock and Western banks. Meanwhile, he funnelled millions into offshore accounts, securing himself a $34 million Miami mansion and a $3.8 million London apartment.
2022: The Final Provocation
By 2022, NATO had armed Ukraine to the teeth, and Kyiv had amassed forces near Donbass.
Russia had three choices:
❌ Let Donbass face ethnic cleansing
❌ Allow NATO to turn Ukraine into a military base
✅ Intervene
Russia chose to intervene—just as any nation would in those circumstances. But the media screamed “unprovoked invasion.”
NATO expansion, the 2014 coup, eight years of war on Donbass—this war was provoked every step of the way.
Ukraine was never meant to win. It was set up as a pawn.
The Endgame
Now, with Ukraine losing, Zelenskyy is being abandoned. Even Trump knows the truth. He told Zelenskyy: “You don’t have the cards.” And he was right.
This war was never about defending Ukraine—it was about using Ukraine to cripple Russia. But Russia didn’t collapse. Ukraine did. And Zelenskyy? His time is running out.
The war in Ukraine was deliberately provoked by the West. Zelenskyy is just another puppet. And Trump? He knows it. He wants peace—not another endless war.
The question is: Do you see the truth now? Wake up. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 04:32 - Mar 2 with 276 views | mangohilljack |
Oh and going back on topic
HERE ARE The ACTUAL FACTS!!.. Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 04:38 - Mar 2 with 271 views | mangohilljack |
| Trump and Vance on 12:59 - Mar 1 by SullutaCreturned |
The term "useful idiot" comes to mind.... |
If questioning the mainstream narrative makes me a ‘useful idiot,’ what does blindly following it make you | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 09:50 - Mar 2 with 184 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 03:09 - Mar 2 by mangohilljack |
It seems that many here support the continuation of an unwinnable war.
"Standing with Ukraine" currently means that 2,000 Ukrainians are being killed or wounded every day. That is not standing with Ukraine—it is prolonging their suffering.
Zelensky’s true objective appears to be drawing a NATO country directly into the conflict. If the UK, France, Germany, or Poland proceed with their claims of deploying troops, we should not be surprised if Putin responds by extending the war to London, Paris, or other European cities. Such escalation could quickly spiral into a global conflict, with devastating consequences for all. [Post edited 2 Mar 3:20]
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Exactly., Zelensky is not this super hero who everyone seems to love at the moment. He's a dangerous man who wants to drag us into this - we already are unofficially. He should have stood up to Johnson and not walked away from the peace talks two years ago. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 10:39 - Mar 2 with 142 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Trump and Vance on 09:50 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
Exactly., Zelensky is not this super hero who everyone seems to love at the moment. He's a dangerous man who wants to drag us into this - we already are unofficially. He should have stood up to Johnson and not walked away from the peace talks two years ago. |
So we just let bullies carry on bullying. With the Americana it's always about asset stripping, be it , minerals, oil , lend/ lease etc etc. 2 absolute bully nations who care little for world peace or humankind. China and India will be kicking off next. |  | | |
| Trump and Vance on 10:45 - Mar 2 with 127 views | onehunglow |
| Trump and Vance on 09:50 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
Exactly., Zelensky is not this super hero who everyone seems to love at the moment. He's a dangerous man who wants to drag us into this - we already are unofficially. He should have stood up to Johnson and not walked away from the peace talks two years ago. |
He's the man standing up to the terror of Putin
He's the man having the guts to engage with Trump in the way Starmer should have done
Russia getting nowhere and they don't like it
Of course you hate him
Your posts are nothing but nauseating | |
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