| Home form 07:33 - Feb 25 with 1100 views | Dr_Winston |
Has been our biggest problem for much of the season, and this piece, whilst as Premier League centric as you'd expect, goes a long way towards perhaps explaining why.
Particularly this bit:
"Teams like Bournemouth have had huge success playing in this more aggressive style - but does it also help sides playing away from home, with less onus on them to dominate the ball and push forward, but instead break quickly and hit teams on the counter-attack?
The percentage of goals scored after "fast breaks", according to Opta, has never been higher than this season.
It feeds into the notion of the classic, archetypal 'away goal' - soak up pressure, win the ball back and hit the home side on the break."
How many times have we been caught on the counter? How many times has our slow, tedious possession style prevented us from doing the same?
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| Home form on 07:42 - Feb 25 with 1062 views | STID2017 |
Hopefully under Sheehan that will be a distant memory
I am not naive to believe we wont have defeats and disappointments under him, but at least it wont be for the want of trying.
I would rather be caught now and again on the break under Sheehan than sit back and invite pressure or a break as under Martin / William's
I think the style of football under both has Williams and Martin has been shown to be ineffective in the long run and is the reason both are now without positions |  |
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| Home form on 13:22 - Feb 25 with 879 views | Whiterockin |
This season I have enjoyed watching Nottingham Forest more than Man City, basically for the way they break forward. |  | | |
| Home form on 13:41 - Feb 25 with 861 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Home form on 07:42 - Feb 25 by STID2017 |
Hopefully under Sheehan that will be a distant memory
I am not naive to believe we wont have defeats and disappointments under him, but at least it wont be for the want of trying.
I would rather be caught now and again on the break under Sheehan than sit back and invite pressure or a break as under Martin / William's
I think the style of football under both has Williams and Martin has been shown to be ineffective in the long run and is the reason both are now without positions |
It’s only ineffective when you don’t have the players to play like that. We don’t. If we had the likes of Leon, Joey, Rangel, Dyer, De Guzman etc in their prime who were intelligent and hard working on and off the ball, can turn on a sixpence and use both feet we could play like that and be successful even in todays game.
Arguably in recent years the only player we’ve had that could fit into that style of play like that is Flynn downes. |  |
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| Home form on 17:24 - Feb 25 with 742 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Home form on 13:41 - Feb 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s only ineffective when you don’t have the players to play like that. We don’t. If we had the likes of Leon, Joey, Rangel, Dyer, De Guzman etc in their prime who were intelligent and hard working on and off the ball, can turn on a sixpence and use both feet we could play like that and be successful even in todays game.
Arguably in recent years the only player we’ve had that could fit into that style of play like that is Flynn downes. |
I am not tactical expert but even I can see Martin and Williams were not playing like Laudrup's team did. The difference was not the players skill level but the way they played.
Laudrup had the movement of DecGuzman Routledge Dyer Hernandez Muchu etc. Swansea player like Grimes and Fulton are static players with one static player passing to another static player most of the time. |  |
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| Home form on 17:44 - Feb 25 with 723 views | max936 |
| Home form on 13:41 - Feb 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s only ineffective when you don’t have the players to play like that. We don’t. If we had the likes of Leon, Joey, Rangel, Dyer, De Guzman etc in their prime who were intelligent and hard working on and off the ball, can turn on a sixpence and use both feet we could play like that and be successful even in todays game.
Arguably in recent years the only player we’ve had that could fit into that style of play like that is Flynn downes. |
I'm not having De Guzman in the same sentence as Leon, Joey, Rangel or Dyer, I didn't like him if I'm honest yes he had his moments, but there was a reason for him starting on the bench as much as he did, bit of a hide and seek champion in my opinion.
Other's won't agree as is their right, but it's just my opinion. |  |
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| Home form on 18:24 - Feb 25 with 686 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Home form on 13:41 - Feb 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s only ineffective when you don’t have the players to play like that. We don’t. If we had the likes of Leon, Joey, Rangel, Dyer, De Guzman etc in their prime who were intelligent and hard working on and off the ball, can turn on a sixpence and use both feet we could play like that and be successful even in todays game.
Arguably in recent years the only player we’ve had that could fit into that style of play like that is Flynn downes. |
Which makes trying to play that way with players clearly not good enough look quite a bit silly. Specially when you've been trying for months with very little success and 2 months with only one win.
A good manager plays to the strengths of his squad. he doesn't try to make a silk purse out of a sows' ear.
Our slow paced play has been a thing of joy to the oppo who surely cannot believe how lucky they were to play against a team who moved more slowly than a slow sloth moving slowly on a slow day! |  | | |
| Home form on 19:36 - Feb 25 with 621 views | swancity |
| Home form on 17:44 - Feb 25 by max936 |
I'm not having De Guzman in the same sentence as Leon, Joey, Rangel or Dyer, I didn't like him if I'm honest yes he had his moments, but there was a reason for him starting on the bench as much as he did, bit of a hide and seek champion in my opinion.
Other's won't agree as is their right, but it's just my opinion. |
Dear god. I might be arrogant and a know it all but unlike you I know a good player when I see one.
De Guzman was an outstanding Premier league midfielder who also managed 14 full caps for Holland. His technique was superb as was his range of passing and he was one of our stand out link men arguably in the history of Swansea City. As good as Allen and Britton were in their prime and that’s not in doubt it’s fair to say that De Guzman was the superior all round player. That period around 10 years ago he was as good as anyone around.
But the way I don’t recall meeting you. Hopefully another time when you can buy me a beer. | |
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| Home form on 20:03 - Feb 25 with 576 views | jack247 |
| Home form on 17:24 - Feb 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am not tactical expert but even I can see Martin and Williams were not playing like Laudrup's team did. The difference was not the players skill level but the way they played.
Laudrup had the movement of DecGuzman Routledge Dyer Hernandez Muchu etc. Swansea player like Grimes and Fulton are static players with one static player passing to another static player most of the time. |
Off the ball movement is a massive skill in itself. Especially when it’s done in numbers in coordination like it was in the Rodgers and Laudrup teams. It pulls defenders out of position and creates opportunities for killer passes.
Not sure why you think Grimes was static. He was constantly showing for the ball, which is why he had so many touches and everything seemed to go through him. The difference between Grimes and the players you mentioned, is he’d look to give teammates the easiest option possible which was often backwards and very rarely advanced us. It’s why he often got accused of slowing us down (along with his tendency to take an extra touch and get it onto his left foot).
The likes of Routledge would find space in areas they could hurt the opposition. Grimes didn’t do that. | | | |
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| Home form on 23:25 - Feb 25 with 489 views | max936 |
| Home form on 19:36 - Feb 25 by swancity |
Dear god. I might be arrogant and a know it all but unlike you I know a good player when I see one.
De Guzman was an outstanding Premier league midfielder who also managed 14 full caps for Holland. His technique was superb as was his range of passing and he was one of our stand out link men arguably in the history of Swansea City. As good as Allen and Britton were in their prime and that’s not in doubt it’s fair to say that De Guzman was the superior all round player. That period around 10 years ago he was as good as anyone around.
But the way I don’t recall meeting you. Hopefully another time when you can buy me a beer. |
In your opinion, I know good players as well plenty of them, I didn't say he wasn't a good player, but in fits and starts and no way was he has good as anyone otherwise one of the top premier league teams would have chased him after he finished his loan spell here, what did he do after us apart from take the splinters he got here out of his arse, there's a reason he was regularly on the bench and also at his other clubs, Allen and Britton were mainstays and first names on team sheet, whilst Deguzman was named on bench ask yourself why.
And again it's my opinion as I said in the post you quoted, your opinion is different and that's up to you.
Not surprised you don't remember either and I don't care, it was probably the only time you ever went in the Alma, | |
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| Home form on 07:20 - Feb 26 with 411 views | Dr_Winston |
After us De Guzman played for Napoli, Eintracht Frankfurt and is still playing for Sparta Rotterdam. After us Joe Allen couldn't hack it at Liverpool, played for Stoke, then came back.
JdG was a quality player and a huge part of our success under Laudrup. Perhaps on a par with Michu considering that he contributed for two seasons rather than one. Jenkins/Monk wanting to replace him with Ki instead of doing whatever we could to keep him permanently was a sign that things were about to go wrong.
16 goals in 93 games for the Swans from central, not even attacking midfield, plus probably the same again in direct assists, and still bizarrely disrespected. [Post edited 26 Feb 7:22]
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| Home form on 12:32 - Feb 26 with 277 views | swancity |
| Home form on 23:25 - Feb 25 by max936 |
In your opinion, I know good players as well plenty of them, I didn't say he wasn't a good player, but in fits and starts and no way was he has good as anyone otherwise one of the top premier league teams would have chased him after he finished his loan spell here, what did he do after us apart from take the splinters he got here out of his arse, there's a reason he was regularly on the bench and also at his other clubs, Allen and Britton were mainstays and first names on team sheet, whilst Deguzman was named on bench ask yourself why.
And again it's my opinion as I said in the post you quoted, your opinion is different and that's up to you.
Not surprised you don't remember either and I don't care, it was probably the only time you ever went in the Alma, |
Yes opinions are and will be different of course
I suppose they will show a lack of understanding and appreciation sometimes as is the case here with you. | |
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| Home form on 12:47 - Feb 26 with 258 views | shandyjack |
| Home form on 07:20 - Feb 26 by Dr_Winston |
After us De Guzman played for Napoli, Eintracht Frankfurt and is still playing for Sparta Rotterdam. After us Joe Allen couldn't hack it at Liverpool, played for Stoke, then came back.
JdG was a quality player and a huge part of our success under Laudrup. Perhaps on a par with Michu considering that he contributed for two seasons rather than one. Jenkins/Monk wanting to replace him with Ki instead of doing whatever we could to keep him permanently was a sign that things were about to go wrong.
16 goals in 93 games for the Swans from central, not even attacking midfield, plus probably the same again in direct assists, and still bizarrely disrespected. [Post edited 26 Feb 7:22]
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this right here!!!!
The disrespect DeGuzman gets is incredible.
I hated it when people used to call him a flat track bully. We were a flat track team so having a player of his quality was unbelievable.
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| Home form on 12:48 - Feb 26 with 255 views | Fireboy2 |
| Home form on 12:32 - Feb 26 by swancity |
Yes opinions are and will be different of course
I suppose they will show a lack of understanding and appreciation sometimes as is the case here with you. |
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. |  | | |
| Home form on 16:22 - Feb 26 with 165 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Home form on 19:36 - Feb 25 by swancity |
Dear god. I might be arrogant and a know it all but unlike you I know a good player when I see one.
De Guzman was an outstanding Premier league midfielder who also managed 14 full caps for Holland. His technique was superb as was his range of passing and he was one of our stand out link men arguably in the history of Swansea City. As good as Allen and Britton were in their prime and that’s not in doubt it’s fair to say that De Guzman was the superior all round player. That period around 10 years ago he was as good as anyone around.
But the way I don’t recall meeting you. Hopefully another time when you can buy me a beer. |
JDG was obviously a good player but not as good as you claim or one of the big teams would have come looking, maybe they did and decided he wasn't all that good for all we know.
I always felt he was playing more for himself than the team, maybe it was his regularly pulling out of tackles, something that Joe and Leon never did.
Your assertion about his superiority, it is in doubt. If you are trying to say he was as good a player as DeBruyne, Siggurdson, Fernandinho or Cesc Fabregas then I have to disagree. | | | |
| Home form on 16:45 - Feb 26 with 149 views | max936 |
| Home form on 12:32 - Feb 26 by swancity |
Yes opinions are and will be different of course
I suppose they will show a lack of understanding and appreciation sometimes as is the case here with you. |
I suppose others will show a lack of understanding and appreciation of someone's opinions sometimes as is the case here with you.
You clearly can't accept an opinion that differs from yours, for you trying to force your opinion as in this case shows your complete arrogance to the full.
Stop trying to force your opinion onto me, far better than you have tried and failed.
Go and do something useful. | |
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| Home form on 19:37 - Feb 26 with 29 views | swancity |
| Home form on 16:45 - Feb 26 by max936 |
I suppose others will show a lack of understanding and appreciation of someone's opinions sometimes as is the case here with you.
You clearly can't accept an opinion that differs from yours, for you trying to force your opinion as in this case shows your complete arrogance to the full.
Stop trying to force your opinion onto me, far better than you have tried and failed.
Go and do something useful. |
I’m not forcing anything on you and I’ve already said that there will be differing opinions and views
De Guzman though was an outstanding player. The fact that you couldn’t see that says a lot. Coming to us on loan from Villarreal he then went to Italian heavyweights Napoli and Eintract Frankfurt.
It might be an exaggeration to say that he was a Rolls Royce while the likes of Allen and Britton were Skoda Octavia’s but you get my point I’m sure.
Anyway you can try to make your point without personal insults. As I have. | |
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| Home form on 19:56 - Feb 26 with 0 views | onehunglow |
| Home form on 19:37 - Feb 26 by swancity |
I’m not forcing anything on you and I’ve already said that there will be differing opinions and views
De Guzman though was an outstanding player. The fact that you couldn’t see that says a lot. Coming to us on loan from Villarreal he then went to Italian heavyweights Napoli and Eintract Frankfurt.
It might be an exaggeration to say that he was a Rolls Royce while the likes of Allen and Britton were Skoda Octavia’s but you get my point I’m sure.
Anyway you can try to make your point without personal insults. As I have. |
Wow
The last offensive poster and you have a go
De Guzman was overrated
You don't think so ? Fine
Winston loved him . Lovely don't ever make out you're not as offensive a poster as is allowed
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