| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine 05:33 - Feb 19 with 1720 views | mangohilljack |
So, the slug is determined to protect Ukraine’s borders while shamelessly neglecting his own. He expects our citizens—our children, siblings, and parents—to risk their lives for a war that isn’t theirs to fight. All this while legitimate peace talks (led by Trump and Putin) are actively working toward a resolution.
It’s truly baffling that there are still people who believe this muppet is doing a good job. The world has well and truly lost its marbles. |  | | |  |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:36 - Feb 20 with 614 views | mangohilljack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 15:29 - Feb 19 by SullutaCreturned |
How cam any talks without Ukraine involved be legitimate?
Why has Trump apparently taken Russia's side in this and even stated "Uktaine shouldn't have started it" and said other false nonsense too?
We should never let UK troops go there. The Wets has treated this as a way to weaken Russia but now Trump has stepped in all of that, all the deaths, they're worthless and they were already a terrible waste of live.
All that talk from certain people about Russia helping Biden win, maybe those people can explain why Trump os so keem to help Russia with this? |Even to the point of excluding Europe. |
How exactly is Trump 'siding with Russia'? Surely, he’s simply exposing Zelensky for the corrupt fraud he has always been. | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:47 - Feb 20 with 586 views | Boundy |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:31 - Feb 20 by union_jack |
I’d rather them on our side if there’s a next time. Great troops but weak from a leadership level. |
Not for a moment am I prescribing to war but at the moment the Germans don't want to commit to sending peace keepers to Ukraine which sort of blows Starmers initiative out of the water .They spent 20 years in Afghanistan in which I'm sure they acquitted themselves pretty well but different tactics different terrain. | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 13:08 - Feb 20 with 566 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:36 - Feb 20 by mangohilljack |
How exactly is Trump 'siding with Russia'? Surely, he’s simply exposing Zelensky for the corrupt fraud he has always been. |
He was voted for by the Ukrainian people who want to join the EU.
Some Russian speakers in the Donbass do not want to join the EU and got violent a encouraged by agitators. Many Donbass men are now dead or injured many towns have been reduced to dust. Scots wanted to stay in the EU and did not get violent.
Americans offered Zelensky a taxi. He said no. Trump wanted him to take it.
The Russians of the Donbass live in poverty and the men folk have been ravaged leaving widows. They were never very important. Many of their leaders have been bumped off either by Ukrainians or by the Russian mobs. The Russian nation has not been mobilised because they do not care much.
Trump is incompetent and is not able to organise a peace deal with his weak support staff. What will he do? Who knows? Europe can the ability to grab and ring fence $300 billion of Russian assets and need to get on with it and ignore Trump's words. |  |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 14:49 - Feb 20 with 534 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:47 - Feb 20 by Boundy |
Not for a moment am I prescribing to war but at the moment the Germans don't want to commit to sending peace keepers to Ukraine which sort of blows Starmers initiative out of the water .They spent 20 years in Afghanistan in which I'm sure they acquitted themselves pretty well but different tactics different terrain. |
The last thing anybody needs/wants is NATO nations troops on the ground in an active warzone where they have no need to be. It’s one thing equipping/training Ukraine to defend themselves, it’s another to actually be present as a military force. The moment that just one soldier gets injured or killed (intentionally or unintentionally) by a ‘stray’ missile we are on the precipice of world war 3. It’s a major escalation and it’s my belief that Starmer is acting like the complete and total idiot we’ve always known he is. |  |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 15:31 - Feb 20 with 506 views | raynor94 |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 14:49 - Feb 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The last thing anybody needs/wants is NATO nations troops on the ground in an active warzone where they have no need to be. It’s one thing equipping/training Ukraine to defend themselves, it’s another to actually be present as a military force. The moment that just one soldier gets injured or killed (intentionally or unintentionally) by a ‘stray’ missile we are on the precipice of world war 3. It’s a major escalation and it’s my belief that Starmer is acting like the complete and total idiot we’ve always known he is. |
I couldn't agree more with your last statement, great to see Mandelson squirming this morning when asked about Trump's speech on Ukraine, he tried to slide under the front seat! |  |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 15:41 - Feb 20 with 483 views | controversial_jack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 12:36 - Feb 20 by mangohilljack |
How exactly is Trump 'siding with Russia'? Surely, he’s simply exposing Zelensky for the corrupt fraud he has always been. |
Yes, correct. I'm no lover of trump, but he's correct on this. Zelensky, has stopped all elections - yes, the constitution allows it under certain conditions, but that's besides the point. He has banned all opposition parties, take the media under govt control, press ganged young men into the military and even banned the orthodax church
He is right to exclude Ukraine from talks, as they walked away from the last ones , under Pressure from Johnson. He's also correct when he said Russia holds all the cards.The Ukraine has no leverage at all in any peace talks, however they could have included them as a courtesy | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:08 - Feb 20 with 449 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 15:41 - Feb 20 by controversial_jack |
Yes, correct. I'm no lover of trump, but he's correct on this. Zelensky, has stopped all elections - yes, the constitution allows it under certain conditions, but that's besides the point. He has banned all opposition parties, take the media under govt control, press ganged young men into the military and even banned the orthodax church
He is right to exclude Ukraine from talks, as they walked away from the last ones , under Pressure from Johnson. He's also correct when he said Russia holds all the cards.The Ukraine has no leverage at all in any peace talks, however they could have included them as a courtesy |
How do you have elections during a war?
How can you ignore the invaded country when having peace talks?
How ca a democratically elected leader be called a dictator when...PUTIN and not to forget Trump wasn't so keen on democracy when he lost.
Trump wants Ukraine to fold and give Russia everything they have already and more but no, that's not unfair according to some. These same people often tell us to open our eyes  | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:36 - Feb 20 with 434 views | DJack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 14:49 - Feb 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The last thing anybody needs/wants is NATO nations troops on the ground in an active warzone where they have no need to be. It’s one thing equipping/training Ukraine to defend themselves, it’s another to actually be present as a military force. The moment that just one soldier gets injured or killed (intentionally or unintentionally) by a ‘stray’ missile we are on the precipice of world war 3. It’s a major escalation and it’s my belief that Starmer is acting like the complete and total idiot we’ve always known he is. |
I fully understand your points but Russia, currently, is in no fit state to go toe to toe with the collective European nations...it has struggled against Ukraine. Poland alone would pound them and they would love to settle some scores with Russia. As long as Europe dies not invade Russia, actual Russia, then there will be no WW3. |  |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:56 - Feb 20 with 415 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:36 - Feb 20 by DJack |
I fully understand your points but Russia, currently, is in no fit state to go toe to toe with the collective European nations...it has struggled against Ukraine. Poland alone would pound them and they would love to settle some scores with Russia. As long as Europe dies not invade Russia, actual Russia, then there will be no WW3. |
After what Trump has said and is trying to do, we cannot be sure what Russia will do.
Putin must be feeling quite emboldened by now.
It's not a nice thing to say but whatever level of distrust there was before (because some Europeans don't like Americans) I think right now ALL of Europe has to be sceptical about the USA. | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 20:53 - Feb 20 with 357 views | DJack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:56 - Feb 20 by SullutaCreturned |
After what Trump has said and is trying to do, we cannot be sure what Russia will do.
Putin must be feeling quite emboldened by now.
It's not a nice thing to say but whatever level of distrust there was before (because some Europeans don't like Americans) I think right now ALL of Europe has to be sceptical about the USA. |
If they "try anything now of a kinetic nature" they will get kerb stomped.
His asymmetric warfare stuff will be harder to deal with but this renewed sense if shared purpose in Europe may well provide the collective resolve to push back.
...Cue the Putin loving vatnick and his cacophony of Russian disinformation and Czar worship. | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 01:09 - Feb 21 with 297 views | Robbie |
Seems The Don wanted a foothold in Ukraine mineral wealth , up to £3 trillion Dollars .
50/50 split in return for Uncle Sams backpayment on their arms dealings .
Kiev said forget it , so Trump looked elsewhere for his returns , he is a business man as his background suggests .
Throw in Elon Musk as a Political Advisor to his inner circle , we did he come from .
Mineral Rights and batteries through cheap excavation , perish the thought .
Sadly SIR Kier is not at the top table of decision making these days , EU might follow soon .
Boots on the ground in a war zone is a decision I thank goodness need not to make . | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 02:42 - Feb 21 with 282 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:36 - Feb 20 by DJack |
I fully understand your points but Russia, currently, is in no fit state to go toe to toe with the collective European nations...it has struggled against Ukraine. Poland alone would pound them and they would love to settle some scores with Russia. As long as Europe dies not invade Russia, actual Russia, then there will be no WW3. |
I sure hope you’re right. It’s objectively true that in a ‘toe to toe’ war as you say Russia would probably fall to NATO forces within weeks but the very real threat of mutually assured nuclear annihilation renders that scenario impossible.
Putin has shown time and time again in his quarter of a century of madness and dictatorship that he has little to no regard for the sanctity of human life. All he needs is the most tenuous casus belli and he will have little hesitation. | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 10:23 - Feb 21 with 229 views | controversial_jack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 02:42 - Feb 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I sure hope you’re right. It’s objectively true that in a ‘toe to toe’ war as you say Russia would probably fall to NATO forces within weeks but the very real threat of mutually assured nuclear annihilation renders that scenario impossible.
Putin has shown time and time again in his quarter of a century of madness and dictatorship that he has little to no regard for the sanctity of human life. All he needs is the most tenuous casus belli and he will have little hesitation. |
Not a chance. NATO couldn't put mass troop movements or equipment into the Ukraine without it being wiped out by Russian missiles, jets etc. there are only a few ports that could handle mass equipment, hamburg and I think Antwerp.There are no air defences that can defend against Russian missiles
NATO also doesn't have the troops available. The British army can't even assemble a single combat division to deploy, similar with France and Germany.Poland has the most capable military in Europe, but they would be sitting ducks. The US army is not like it was during the 90s, they have a recruitment shortage too and The US has no appetite for conflict, especially when they see the body bags.
The Russian military is extremely competent. It's well trained, well supplied and battle hardened.There are no defences against their hypersonic missiles. They could target and hit anything they want and they can carry a huge payload. Even carrier fleets are defenceless against these weapons, they are real game changers
Every weapon NATO supplies the Ukraine has been countered by the Russian military.They have effectively defeated NATO, hence Trump' sucking up to Putin | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 10:44 - Feb 21 with 207 views | raynor94 |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 10:23 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
Not a chance. NATO couldn't put mass troop movements or equipment into the Ukraine without it being wiped out by Russian missiles, jets etc. there are only a few ports that could handle mass equipment, hamburg and I think Antwerp.There are no air defences that can defend against Russian missiles
NATO also doesn't have the troops available. The British army can't even assemble a single combat division to deploy, similar with France and Germany.Poland has the most capable military in Europe, but they would be sitting ducks. The US army is not like it was during the 90s, they have a recruitment shortage too and The US has no appetite for conflict, especially when they see the body bags.
The Russian military is extremely competent. It's well trained, well supplied and battle hardened.There are no defences against their hypersonic missiles. They could target and hit anything they want and they can carry a huge payload. Even carrier fleets are defenceless against these weapons, they are real game changers
Every weapon NATO supplies the Ukraine has been countered by the Russian military.They have effectively defeated NATO, hence Trump' sucking up to Putin |
So why in 3 years has this ultimate fighting machine failed to take Kiev | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 11:16 - Feb 21 with 184 views | Boundy |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 10:23 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
Not a chance. NATO couldn't put mass troop movements or equipment into the Ukraine without it being wiped out by Russian missiles, jets etc. there are only a few ports that could handle mass equipment, hamburg and I think Antwerp.There are no air defences that can defend against Russian missiles
NATO also doesn't have the troops available. The British army can't even assemble a single combat division to deploy, similar with France and Germany.Poland has the most capable military in Europe, but they would be sitting ducks. The US army is not like it was during the 90s, they have a recruitment shortage too and The US has no appetite for conflict, especially when they see the body bags.
The Russian military is extremely competent. It's well trained, well supplied and battle hardened.There are no defences against their hypersonic missiles. They could target and hit anything they want and they can carry a huge payload. Even carrier fleets are defenceless against these weapons, they are real game changers
Every weapon NATO supplies the Ukraine has been countered by the Russian military.They have effectively defeated NATO, hence Trump' sucking up to Putin |
Are you that naive or stupid to believe what you post , that even without the combined forces of NATO that America could inflict if not destroy Russian forces , you forget the Russia has been fighting, losing men, equipment and experience for 3 years . America alone has 8 major military bases in Germany alone . I know you have a hard on for Ivan but really you don't half post some guff. | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:23 - Feb 21 with 106 views | controversial_jack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:08 - Feb 20 by SullutaCreturned |
How do you have elections during a war?
How can you ignore the invaded country when having peace talks?
How ca a democratically elected leader be called a dictator when...PUTIN and not to forget Trump wasn't so keen on democracy when he lost.
Trump wants Ukraine to fold and give Russia everything they have already and more but no, that's not unfair according to some. These same people often tell us to open our eyes |
His term of office has passed, therefore he's unelected
He has stopped elections, banned oppostion parties, consolidated the media under govt control, he's even banned the church. If that's not dictatorial then what is? | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:30 - Feb 21 with 101 views | controversial_jack |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 11:16 - Feb 21 by Boundy |
Are you that naive or stupid to believe what you post , that even without the combined forces of NATO that America could inflict if not destroy Russian forces , you forget the Russia has been fighting, losing men, equipment and experience for 3 years . America alone has 8 major military bases in Germany alone . I know you have a hard on for Ivan but really you don't half post some guff. |
The US does not have the troops to spare. The bases could be destroyed easily by hypersonic missiles. Russia could even tell them the location and time of the attacks as there is no air defences that can stop them.
The US couldn't even defeat the Taliban or the Mahdi army. Britain was humiliated in both Iraq and Afghanistan, we simply did not have enough troops on the ground to do anything except safeguard our own bases
Russia has over 1 million men under arms and all the equipment they want. They are well defended too.THIS conflict is on a scale that NATO has never seen. Afghanistan, Iraq is a picnic in comparison. | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:21 - Feb 21 with 65 views | raynor94 |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:30 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
The US does not have the troops to spare. The bases could be destroyed easily by hypersonic missiles. Russia could even tell them the location and time of the attacks as there is no air defences that can stop them.
The US couldn't even defeat the Taliban or the Mahdi army. Britain was humiliated in both Iraq and Afghanistan, we simply did not have enough troops on the ground to do anything except safeguard our own bases
Russia has over 1 million men under arms and all the equipment they want. They are well defended too.THIS conflict is on a scale that NATO has never seen. Afghanistan, Iraq is a picnic in comparison. |
Again, why has this ultimate fighting force failed to take Kiev? And they didn't fare to well in Afghanistan | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 18:36 - Feb 21 with 52 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:23 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
His term of office has passed, therefore he's unelected
He has stopped elections, banned oppostion parties, consolidated the media under govt control, he's even banned the church. If that's not dictatorial then what is? |
You cannot have free and fiar elections when you are at war and your country has been invaded...by a dictator. from a neighbouring country...how do youorganise it when your cities are being bombed, front lines are fluid and people have feld the country in droves?
But of course you know that unless you really are totally stupid.
Which of course, if you're not, makes you a troll and a WUM. You choose. | | | |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 19:47 - Feb 21 with 32 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:30 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
The US does not have the troops to spare. The bases could be destroyed easily by hypersonic missiles. Russia could even tell them the location and time of the attacks as there is no air defences that can stop them.
The US couldn't even defeat the Taliban or the Mahdi army. Britain was humiliated in both Iraq and Afghanistan, we simply did not have enough troops on the ground to do anything except safeguard our own bases
Russia has over 1 million men under arms and all the equipment they want. They are well defended too.THIS conflict is on a scale that NATO has never seen. Afghanistan, Iraq is a picnic in comparison. |
Russian economy is tanking and to hold the land they stole they gave to make long and costly military spending spread thin.
Then they have to rebuild the cities they flattened costing by billions. They gave done some small projects in Mariupol. Their oil pipeline could freeze over and break and need complete reconstruction according to on analyst. Many refineries are seriously damaged and need foreign experts.
Sevastopol is unusable for them without Ukraine's es consent. They had the harbour for their use in 2021. Now they cannot use it without Ukraine's permission. UK has this trouble with Hong Kong and concluded they had to hand it over.
Russians on the plus side have defened the Kerch bridge longer than I expected. | |
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| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 20:57 - Feb 21 with 4 views | Boundy |
| 2 tier keir wants to send troops to Ukraine on 16:30 - Feb 21 by controversial_jack |
The US does not have the troops to spare. The bases could be destroyed easily by hypersonic missiles. Russia could even tell them the location and time of the attacks as there is no air defences that can stop them.
The US couldn't even defeat the Taliban or the Mahdi army. Britain was humiliated in both Iraq and Afghanistan, we simply did not have enough troops on the ground to do anything except safeguard our own bases
Russia has over 1 million men under arms and all the equipment they want. They are well defended too.THIS conflict is on a scale that NATO has never seen. Afghanistan, Iraq is a picnic in comparison. |
I get you watch a lot of Steven Segal on you tube and it must have rubbed off on you .
Do you really believe the nonsense you post because if you do then you need to step away from your laptop, you've posted some nonsense over the years but that is up there with the best .
The current war in Y Ukraine is being won with technology , technology that the Russians can only dream of m You want to compare the US /UK fighting in Iraq & Afghan ,just remember the 70 early 80s when Russia was humiliated and had to retreat from Afghanistan
No one including yourself can only guess the outcome of any war with Russia when it fought with boots on g the ground but so far the estimates are that they've lost nearly 1/2 of a million in their current conflict , that number against as you've said yourself many times Ukraines forces which are no match for Ivan and yet you believe a combined Nato force containing of 2.6 million of Americans alone.are no match.. I know its Friday night but put the bottle down | |
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