| Ban 22:49 - Feb 18 with 2022 views | Boundy |
Grey hound racing in Wales to be banned because 35k allegedly signed a petition, nearly half a million signed a petition to discuss the 20 mph speed limit,that was ignored .Virtue signalling at it's worst. |  |
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| Ban on 13:54 - Feb 19 with 752 views | BarrySwan |
| Ban on 11:50 - Feb 19 by onehunglow |
No dirt deflectors in those days and bikes were very raw indeed, like sitting on a razor blade that you couldn't slow down apart from easing off the throttle
Speedway was massive just after the war
Wembley Lions had gates of 50000 and Zlondon had many tracks
The old White City was something to behold
Check out the 81 World Final on you tube
Most glorious sports event I've been to |
There's not really any scenario where you would apply brakes on a speedway bike.
You're flat out on the straight and you ease the throttle slightly on the bends as you slide round with the back wheel out, if you ease too much off the throttle or applied brakes, the wheels of the bike would probably snap back into line and you'd either snake into oblivion or you'd never make it round the bend and probably end up carrying out some serious carpentry work on the safety fence with your mush. (air fences obviously help a lot in such an incident)
It's not awfully pleasant [Post edited 19 Feb 14:02]
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| Ban on 14:01 - Feb 19 with 740 views | BarrySwan |
| Ban on 13:03 - Feb 19 by Daggyjack |
I used to go to Carmarthen Speedway in the early 2000's - they stopped for the same reason. |
The Meakins family gave it a go for a couple of seasons, as you know it was in the Showgrounds and a nice little setup, went round it a good few times before integrating my body with the wooden safety fence on the 4th bend requiring major repairs to my bike ( thankfully not my body as well )
Used to break my heart to see all the money and effort that the Meakins family put into the venture and yet I never saw more than about 70 - 100 people there ( my estimate ) | | | |
| Ban on 14:16 - Feb 19 with 709 views | onehunglow |
| Ban on 13:54 - Feb 19 by BarrySwan |
There's not really any scenario where you would apply brakes on a speedway bike.
You're flat out on the straight and you ease the throttle slightly on the bends as you slide round with the back wheel out, if you ease too much off the throttle or applied brakes, the wheels of the bike would probably snap back into line and you'd either snake into oblivion or you'd never make it round the bend and probably end up carrying out some serious carpentry work on the safety fence with your mush. (air fences obviously help a lot in such an incident)
It's not awfully pleasant [Post edited 19 Feb 14:02]
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Kev
I was trying to get those not versed on speedway dynamics to get the drift of what goes on
Best riders for me
For track craft
Mauger
Penhall
Olsen
For sheer excitement
Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, a full on arrogant gobshite who slaughtered himself and his missus
Knew his dad who pushed him too far too early with tragic results
That said, him and Penhall were box office
Bruce' was a great bloke and approachable to all
Kenny hated him deeply and Bruce lived rent free in his head for years | |
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| Ban on 14:43 - Feb 19 with 702 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ban on 14:16 - Feb 19 by onehunglow |
Kev
I was trying to get those not versed on speedway dynamics to get the drift of what goes on
Best riders for me
For track craft
Mauger
Penhall
Olsen
For sheer excitement
Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, a full on arrogant gobshite who slaughtered himself and his missus
Knew his dad who pushed him too far too early with tragic results
That said, him and Penhall were box office
Bruce' was a great bloke and approachable to all
Kenny hated him deeply and Bruce lived rent free in his head for years |
Saw Ivan Mauger a few times at the County Ground in the 1970s when he rode for the Exeter Falcons. With his help they won the 1974 League Championship. It wasn't really my sport, but my step father was keen. I mainly remember the smell and noise of the bikes. The Falcons got quite good crowds in those days - pity about Carmarthen. The County Ground was also a greyhound track, as well as the home of the rugby team - now the Exeter Chiefs. That stadium too was demolished some years ago. [Post edited 19 Feb 14:48]
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| Ban on 14:52 - Feb 19 with 684 views | Whiterockin |
Is pigeon racing still allowed. |  | | |
| Ban on 15:14 - Feb 19 with 650 views | blackswan |
| Ban on 23:27 - Feb 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Communication to the public on both has been woeful.
The 20 mph is in place in many English cities.
First year figues in Wales now say ….. ‘The first year of a controversial Welsh speed limit saw around 100 fewer people killed or seriously injured on 20 and 30mph roads, ministers have said’.
I think thats enough to shut most half sensible people up.
Not as convinced by the new dog racing ban, but i look forward to understanding more. |
Statistics can be manipulated to suit your means iejust as likely the fall in injuries was due to the cost of living crisis with far less journeys taking place for example
To be honest I doubt if one in a hundred stick to 20 mph should just be used in high risk areas imho | | | |
| Ban on 15:19 - Feb 19 with 648 views | blackswan |
| Ban on 23:11 - Feb 18 by onehunglow |
Shame they didn't ban horse racing too
Animals should not be used for human entertainment
Many greyhounds ended up with horrific ends
Wales notoriously for cruelty in this |
Must disagree with you on this one no horse racing would mean no race horses big steps have been taken in making jump courses safer but unfortunately like in life in general accidents happen to both horses and jockeys | | | |
| Ban on 15:24 - Feb 19 with 641 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ban on 23:27 - Feb 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Communication to the public on both has been woeful.
The 20 mph is in place in many English cities.
First year figues in Wales now say ….. ‘The first year of a controversial Welsh speed limit saw around 100 fewer people killed or seriously injured on 20 and 30mph roads, ministers have said’.
I think thats enough to shut most half sensible people up.
Not as convinced by the new dog racing ban, but i look forward to understanding more. |
I don't disagree with the greyhound racing ban. I'm more concerned by th cruelty these dogs face when they are no longer "useful" though.
Kilky, the stats for the first year, why did they mix the 20 and 30mph rpoads together? Possibly because the stats don't show that 20mph was effective and UkKstats show accidents have been dropping for years. I want to see the stats purely for 20mph roads so we can see the whole truth.
Communication is sometimes woeful for a reason, the truth doesn't suit the politicians. | | | |
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| Ban on 16:42 - Feb 19 with 592 views | onehunglow |
| Ban on 14:43 - Feb 19 by AnotherJohn |
Saw Ivan Mauger a few times at the County Ground in the 1970s when he rode for the Exeter Falcons. With his help they won the 1974 League Championship. It wasn't really my sport, but my step father was keen. I mainly remember the smell and noise of the bikes. The Falcons got quite good crowds in those days - pity about Carmarthen. The County Ground was also a greyhound track, as well as the home of the rugby team - now the Exeter Chiefs. That stadium too was demolished some years ago. [Post edited 19 Feb 14:48]
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Tha Galloping Mauger transcended the sport like Bradman , Pele, Gretzky
The names remain supreme forever
Mauger stood alone as he was the most professional
Machines, mechanics , leathers and his Citroen Safari all immaculate
Have a look at Ice Speedway , if you have a minute
Motor racing on spiked tyres in sub zero weather
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| Ban on 16:47 - Feb 19 with 591 views | onehunglow |
| Ban on 13:33 - Feb 19 by lifelong |
No, you state that Wales is notorious for cruelty in this activity, how does it differ in Wales compared to other countries. Before you make such a disgusting comment why don’t you do some research in the matter? Or is it just another of your stupid criticism of anything that is Welsh, it really is pathetic. |
Just buggerboff will you and stick to subject . Plenty of instances come to my mind of greyhounds being butchered on the tops of valleys
Research! You need to get your head free first
You really are now ridiculous
Back on topic
It's simply cruel
It's not what we should be doing in 2025
It's not the sport of kings for nothing
Horses and horse racing is a business run by billionaires and those with dirty money to ensure they remain as such | |
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| Ban on 18:31 - Feb 19 with 553 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ban on 06:30 - Feb 19 by Scotia |
At the last Senedd election there were about 1.2 million individual votes for parties with a 20 mph speed limit in their manifesto.
The petition may have been officially ignored, but Welsh Labour obviously realise they've made a massive mistake and are changing some roads back.
If people actually voted though, we wouldn't have 20 mph limits everywhere or a Labour led Senedd. |
So what? Did everybody vote for those parties solely because of the 20mph thing? How many of those people actually knew what was in the manifesto's and how many just voted the same old way because that's what a lot of people do?
How many voted Plaid because...independence?
Apart from major talking points we see on the news or if we happen to watch the Party Political Broadcasts I reckon not many at all could state with certainty more than a few things in any manifesto, even for the party they voted for. | | | |
| Ban on 19:45 - Feb 19 with 501 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ban on 18:31 - Feb 19 by SullutaCreturned |
So what? Did everybody vote for those parties solely because of the 20mph thing? How many of those people actually knew what was in the manifesto's and how many just voted the same old way because that's what a lot of people do?
How many voted Plaid because...independence?
Apart from major talking points we see on the news or if we happen to watch the Party Political Broadcasts I reckon not many at all could state with certainty more than a few things in any manifesto, even for the party they voted for. |
People vote for who they trust in general and let them get on with it.
The general positions are pretty well understood. I cannot watch Question Time as you pretty much know what they will say because on where they sit.
On this forum everything the WAG does is bad because cap doffers want to be run from London not Cardiff. [Post edited 19 Feb 22:30]
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| Ban on 20:09 - Feb 19 with 462 views | lifelong |
| Ban on 16:47 - Feb 19 by onehunglow |
Just buggerboff will you and stick to subject . Plenty of instances come to my mind of greyhounds being butchered on the tops of valleys
Research! You need to get your head free first
You really are now ridiculous
Back on topic
It's simply cruel
It's not what we should be doing in 2025
It's not the sport of kings for nothing
Horses and horse racing is a business run by billionaires and those with dirty money to ensure they remain as such |
Yes, research, it’s better than making things up. |  | | |
| Ban on 21:13 - Feb 19 with 416 views | Scotia |
| Ban on 18:31 - Feb 19 by SullutaCreturned |
So what? Did everybody vote for those parties solely because of the 20mph thing? How many of those people actually knew what was in the manifesto's and how many just voted the same old way because that's what a lot of people do?
How many voted Plaid because...independence?
Apart from major talking points we see on the news or if we happen to watch the Party Political Broadcasts I reckon not many at all could state with certainty more than a few things in any manifesto, even for the party they voted for. |
We don't know. But it was clearly in the manifesto and in media highlights of the manifesto. Labour won a mandate to govern on that basis. They delivered on a manifesto promise.
The speed limit was stupid but the petition wasn't ignored it was just vastly smaller than the those who voted for the speed limit to be imposed or didn't vote at all despite it being made clear. Public opinion has now led to a change in policy.
The problem is that people are now comparing completely unrelated topics. The first post calls this "virtue signalling". It's obviously not and nobody has been ignored.
My personal opinion (as an owner of an ex racing greyhound) is well done. It's time for this sport to be banned across the UK. [Post edited 19 Feb 21:17]
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| Ban on 07:26 - Feb 20 with 334 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ban on 08:57 - Feb 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
They have combined the data for 20 and 30 mph zones when they could have reported on the 20mph zones. Never mind let's hope the people will not notice. |
Indeed.
If the data clearly showed an improvement in safety on roads that had been reduced to 20mph they'd be trumpeting it long and loudly. That they're trying to spin things by fudging the stats tells "most half sensible people" precisely what's happening. |  |
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| Ban on 07:56 - Feb 20 with 325 views | Daggyjack |
| Ban on 14:01 - Feb 19 by BarrySwan |
The Meakins family gave it a go for a couple of seasons, as you know it was in the Showgrounds and a nice little setup, went round it a good few times before integrating my body with the wooden safety fence on the 4th bend requiring major repairs to my bike ( thankfully not my body as well )
Used to break my heart to see all the money and effort that the Meakins family put into the venture and yet I never saw more than about 70 - 100 people there ( my estimate ) |
Yes, it was a lot of time and money for Nigel and the Meakins family.
We used to travel all over to watch Carmarthen, from Newport to Swindon, to Buxton on a Sunday - lovely times.
Sadly Nigel died a few years ago.
Used to go to Somerset then and now they've disbanded!! |  | | |
| Ban on 08:27 - Feb 20 with 291 views | lifelong |
| Ban on 07:26 - Feb 20 by Dr_Winston |
Indeed.
If the data clearly showed an improvement in safety on roads that had been reduced to 20mph they'd be trumpeting it long and loudly. That they're trying to spin things by fudging the stats tells "most half sensible people" precisely what's happening. |
It’s a bit pointless going over the same arguments, no matter what statistics and results of long term studies are put in front of not so sensible people they simply will not accept that reducing the speed limit reduces accidents and casualties. | | | |
| Ban on 10:31 - Feb 20 with 253 views | onehunglow |
| Ban on 08:27 - Feb 20 by lifelong |
It’s a bit pointless going over the same arguments, no matter what statistics and results of long term studies are put in front of not so sensible people they simply will not accept that reducing the speed limit reduces accidents and casualties. |
As pointless as bringing up the subject of 20mph limits on a thread of banning dog racing
Is this because it's a Welsh assembly law and therefore, being Welsh, must be right
We live on a 20 mph street, as do many here
Cameras are omnipresent | |
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| Ban on 11:13 - Feb 20 with 237 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ban on 08:27 - Feb 20 by lifelong |
It’s a bit pointless going over the same arguments, no matter what statistics and results of long term studies are put in front of not so sensible people they simply will not accept that reducing the speed limit reduces accidents and casualties. |
Just like people will not accept that the change in such figures is statistically negligible and of the sort of variation that can happen from year to year anyway and thus without proper analysis cannot seriously be trumpeted as a benefit at all. | |
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| Ban on 11:19 - Feb 20 with 239 views | lifelong |
| Ban on 10:31 - Feb 20 by onehunglow |
As pointless as bringing up the subject of 20mph limits on a thread of banning dog racing
Is this because it's a Welsh assembly law and therefore, being Welsh, must be right
We live on a 20 mph street, as do many here
Cameras are omnipresent |
If you read the thread I didn’t bring up the 20mph, or speedway racing come to think of it.
I’ve come to the conclusion that I need to take a break from this forum, somewhere in warmer climes would be good. Have a safe and accident free year. | | | |
| Ban on 11:24 - Feb 20 with 236 views | lifelong |
| Ban on 11:13 - Feb 20 by Dr_Winston |
Just like people will not accept that the change in such figures is statistically negligible and of the sort of variation that can happen from year to year anyway and thus without proper analysis cannot seriously be trumpeted as a benefit at all. |
Yes, but the figures for the past 12 months are the lowest since figures begun, it’s just not acceptable that having a reduction of a 100 fewer casualties can be classed as negligible. [Post edited 20 Feb 11:32]
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| Ban on 12:02 - Feb 20 with 192 views | Boundy |
| Ban on 11:24 - Feb 20 by lifelong |
Yes, but the figures for the past 12 months are the lowest since figures begun, it’s just not acceptable that having a reduction of a 100 fewer casualties can be classed as negligible. [Post edited 20 Feb 11:32]
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But you're assuming that was because of lower road speeds ignoring other factors , have a nice break by the way | |
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| Ban on 12:06 - Feb 20 with 185 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ban on 11:24 - Feb 20 by lifelong |
Yes, but the figures for the past 12 months are the lowest since figures begun, it’s just not acceptable that having a reduction of a 100 fewer casualties can be classed as negligible. [Post edited 20 Feb 11:32]
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Whether you accept it or not makes no difference to the numbers. They are what they are.
A decrease of 100 when you're talking about thousands in total is a couple of percentage points at most. And thats using the obviously flawed 20/30 mph figures. It's beyond bonkers that people are genuinely crowing about it.
But that's how tinpot administrations work. They make changes and then rig the figures to justify their decisions, when in reality it should be the other way around. It's the same thing with Minimum Unit Pricing. All the independent studies suggest that it's a complete waste of time, so the WG and Scottish Parliaments pay people to provide stats that support them. | |
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| Ban on 12:54 - Feb 20 with 154 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ban on 12:06 - Feb 20 by Dr_Winston |
Whether you accept it or not makes no difference to the numbers. They are what they are.
A decrease of 100 when you're talking about thousands in total is a couple of percentage points at most. And thats using the obviously flawed 20/30 mph figures. It's beyond bonkers that people are genuinely crowing about it.
But that's how tinpot administrations work. They make changes and then rig the figures to justify their decisions, when in reality it should be the other way around. It's the same thing with Minimum Unit Pricing. All the independent studies suggest that it's a complete waste of time, so the WG and Scottish Parliaments pay people to provide stats that support them. |
"All the independent studies suggest that is was a complete waste of time ".
Where did you get that from? Have you read them all.?
You showed you prejudices with the tin pot jibe. The WAG is not going to get any credit for anything on here from the resident cap doffers.. | |
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