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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:36 - Feb 6 by RichardO |
Tymon and Key have both pushed on because that is what Wing backs are told and expected to do but doesn't work and is pointless if you persist in playing wingers, compounded when you ask both the wingbacks and wingers to stay on the touch line to provide width leaving the middle of the park an area which is is a vast wasteland devoid of our players and because of the fullbacks pushing up leaving our centrebacks to cover the equally empty flanks, Grimes then dropped back further expanding that empty midfield wasteland.
So what has Williams done asked both fullbacks to go into the midfield to cover Grimes but both of them are too inexperienced and by doing so leave the flanks further exposed.
We played 5 at the back against Norwich but that left Fulton and Franco too much to do, we insist on leaving areas of the pitch expose. If teams try to play through the middle you get players such as wingers back behind the ball to help out in the middle, if teams try to go down the flanks those wingers have to again get behind the ball, in both case the bare minimum while defending is eight players getting back behind the ball with two up top holding their defensive line back, once we have won the ball back those players playing on the flanks or in the middle can then get forward quickly to support the two to try and get in behind the opposition defence early. Does help if one of your front two is quick, the other can supply balls off the central position and both are goal scorers but that is not the case at the moment given that almost 100 percent of our attacks are down the flanks and slowly at that.
In many respects we are too rigid and cannot adapt easily pulled out of shape seeing the headless runs made by our Centreforwards to try and close down the play out from the back is pitiful to watch, we really haven't worked out how to stop teams playing out from the back and rubbed our hand as QPR got it equally totally wrong against us and yet we still persist in similar methods that don't work at times.
Midfield and fullbacks dropping back to play out from the back is part of the game but doing it while under pressure is stupid especially if the pressing team are leaving gaps elsewhere to be exposed but that is up to the goalie or man on the ball to be in a position and have time to spot. |
Well explained. Our squad is better suited to 433/451. The wingers provide the width in attack and provide cover for the full backs out of possession leaving the midfield to cover the middle of the park. In possession the wingers hug the touchline and full backs selectively join the attack, not both at the same time, again pulling people out wide without crowding out the wingers.
The central defenders are not pulled out of possession and the back four concentrate on defending, occasionally joining the attack. The system relies on wingers with a bit of pace who are willing to track back. |  |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:40 - Feb 6 with 1632 views | onehunglow |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:21 - Feb 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Well explained. Our squad is better suited to 433/451. The wingers provide the width in attack and provide cover for the full backs out of possession leaving the midfield to cover the middle of the park. In possession the wingers hug the touchline and full backs selectively join the attack, not both at the same time, again pulling people out wide without crowding out the wingers.
The central defenders are not pulled out of possession and the back four concentrate on defending, occasionally joining the attack. The system relies on wingers with a bit of pace who are willing to track back. |
In simple terms,Williams is a dogshyyte “ coach”,one who is and will continue to ruin players
His leaving will see immediate improvement
Our owners have all the evidence required to fire so do it and let’s reboot | |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:42 - Feb 6 with 1632 views | onehunglow |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 22:28 - Feb 5 by max936 |
Saturday 14:15 that is mun, |
That’s another Saturday afternoon buggered then | |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:38 - Feb 6 with 1577 views | RichardO |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:21 - Feb 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Well explained. Our squad is better suited to 433/451. The wingers provide the width in attack and provide cover for the full backs out of possession leaving the midfield to cover the middle of the park. In possession the wingers hug the touchline and full backs selectively join the attack, not both at the same time, again pulling people out wide without crowding out the wingers.
The central defenders are not pulled out of possession and the back four concentrate on defending, occasionally joining the attack. The system relies on wingers with a bit of pace who are willing to track back. |
Not adverse to one of the wingers getting close to the centrefoward to react to what scraps can be had off the centreforward centrebacks battle, both Ronald and Bianchini where played either side of Cullen against Coventry but with Cullen as centreforward we were very unlikely to get any scraps from high balls down the middle.
To be fair to Pearl-Harris he does make things awkward for defenders under the high ball, he caused the rightback Norrington-Davies of Sheff United no end of problems under the high ball and he was removed at the beginning of the second half having been booked in the first and the giving us a good call for a penalty.
Edit...In the first part of the post was referring to the forward setup against Coventry, not as I originally post Norwich. [Post edited 7 Feb 7:03]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:54 - Feb 6 with 1571 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:27 - Feb 6 with 1356 views | liamW |
Draw for me. | | | |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:31 - Feb 6 with 1354 views | Tomsyard |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 22:39 - Feb 5 by max936 |
I'd play out 3 CB's and leave tymon and key as wing backs, with three CB's we should be able to cover.
hang on scrap that Darling won't be available 
Thing is we don't play 4 at the back because Key and Tymon wander off up field that's why Grimes used to drop in, I bet he'll have O'brien doing that job you watch. |
We play that way every week and get beaten and if you look at the goals we concede we’re all over the place defensively. I watched Fulham play a while back and the discipline they showed without the ball was really good to watch,as soon as they lost possession they quickly dropped into a 4-5-1 closing the space to be played through, good coaching from a good manager. | | | |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:09 - Feb 6 with 1315 views | Tomsyard |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:21 - Feb 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Well explained. Our squad is better suited to 433/451. The wingers provide the width in attack and provide cover for the full backs out of possession leaving the midfield to cover the middle of the park. In possession the wingers hug the touchline and full backs selectively join the attack, not both at the same time, again pulling people out wide without crowding out the wingers.
The central defenders are not pulled out of possession and the back four concentrate on defending, occasionally joining the attack. The system relies on wingers with a bit of pace who are willing to track back. |
That’s similar to my earlier post. The wide players have to take on more responsibility and not rely on the full backs to be running past them unless it is obviously on to do so, that’s intelligence or game management, and good coaching call it what you will. I think LW has to more pragmatic in how he sets the team up as we need to break this losing cycle.
When you’re winning a few and drawing a few and sitting comfortably mid table then continuing with your playing philosophy is ok but when over the last month or so has shown they’re not working LW and his coaches have to step out of their philosophy comfort zone and show they can deliver tactics to get the points and it doesn’t matter if it’s pretty or not, do they have it in them. Even Pep is adapting his tactics because of their current run of results, who would of thought we’d see them knocking it long to Harland and to play off him and ok it’s not exactly Warnock but even the best can’t rely on sticking to the same and hoping it all comes good in the end.
Interestingly Russell Martin didn’t change his tactics at Southampton even when it was obvious it wasn’t working and look what’s happened to them and him. I hope LW shows us his tactical abilities this weekend and shuts the likes of me up!! [Post edited 6 Feb 16:19]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:41 - Feb 6 with 1267 views | Whiterockin |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:09 - Feb 6 by Tomsyard |
That’s similar to my earlier post. The wide players have to take on more responsibility and not rely on the full backs to be running past them unless it is obviously on to do so, that’s intelligence or game management, and good coaching call it what you will. I think LW has to more pragmatic in how he sets the team up as we need to break this losing cycle.
When you’re winning a few and drawing a few and sitting comfortably mid table then continuing with your playing philosophy is ok but when over the last month or so has shown they’re not working LW and his coaches have to step out of their philosophy comfort zone and show they can deliver tactics to get the points and it doesn’t matter if it’s pretty or not, do they have it in them. Even Pep is adapting his tactics because of their current run of results, who would of thought we’d see them knocking it long to Harland and to play off him and ok it’s not exactly Warnock but even the best can’t rely on sticking to the same and hoping it all comes good in the end.
Interestingly Russell Martin didn’t change his tactics at Southampton even when it was obvious it wasn’t working and look what’s happened to them and him. I hope LW shows us his tactical abilities this weekend and shuts the likes of me up!! [Post edited 6 Feb 16:19]
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Against Coventry we set up with two wide players on each side because of the plan to push Key and Tymon up. Coventry pushed up to the halfway line and left our wide players with no space to move and they were continually caught offside. All the space was in the middle and Franco was expected to close all this down, impossible and Coventry easily controlled the midfield. Unless Williams improves his tactical awareness in matches and makes sensible changes we will always struggle. I don't think he can, he's just not good enough. |  | | |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:05 - Feb 6 with 1215 views | RichardO |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:41 - Feb 6 by Whiterockin |
Against Coventry we set up with two wide players on each side because of the plan to push Key and Tymon up. Coventry pushed up to the halfway line and left our wide players with no space to move and they were continually caught offside. All the space was in the middle and Franco was expected to close all this down, impossible and Coventry easily controlled the midfield. Unless Williams improves his tactical awareness in matches and makes sensible changes we will always struggle. I don't think he can, he's just not good enough. |
I thought we tried to use Bianchini and Rinald at times either side of Cullen to poor effect S Cullen could not bring them to the game. Maybe they should of dropped deeper to win the midfield and then start their runs from the deeper positions, basically we tried to played as Martin did trying to get four in the midfield but in the end with the wingers pushed too high or out on the wings blocking the wingbacks then Cullen ended up dropping back to try and do the job that the others could not, when Cooper came on he seem to have a better understanding of what was required and got us into the game a bit better, Pearl-Harris g gave us a little more composure on the ball but I think by then Coventry had dropped to protect the two goal lead.
We started more of less as a 5-2-3 but as usually playing the high or wide 3 up top and we came unstuck not protecting the middle properly. | | | |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 23:14 - Feb 6 with 996 views | max936 |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:31 - Feb 6 by Tomsyard |
We play that way every week and get beaten and if you look at the goals we concede we’re all over the place defensively. I watched Fulham play a while back and the discipline they showed without the ball was really good to watch,as soon as they lost possession they quickly dropped into a 4-5-1 closing the space to be played through, good coaching from a good manager. |
Cabango, Darling and Delcroix in the back three we should be better, Key and Tymon are the weak leaks defensively.
Its doable if the coach can sort it out, that's probably above Williams though.
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 23:19 - Feb 6 with 993 views | max936 |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:22 - Feb 6 by builthjack |
I was there at the game that forced Jenkins out.
If we play poorly and lose I can see the fans singing Coleman out. |
Coleman is lucky the game is away this week. | |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:00 - Feb 7 with 893 views | sons_of_omri |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 22:39 - Feb 5 by max936 |
I'd play out 3 CB's and leave tymon and key as wing backs, with three CB's we should be able to cover.
hang on scrap that Darling won't be available
Thing is we don't play 4 at the back because Key and Tymon wander off up field that's why Grimes used to drop in, I bet he'll have O'brien doing that job you watch. |
We surrendered the midfield last time out and look what happened. Back 4 please | | | |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:17 - Feb 7 with 855 views | RichardO |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:00 - Feb 7 by sons_of_omri |
We surrendered the midfield last time out and look what happened. Back 4 please |
The midfield is being lost in most games especially as we hold so many players high or wide with us trying to start our play out from the back.
If anybody watch yesterday Liverpool Spurs game, for most this season we have looked like Spurs while our opposition has looked like Liverpool, although these teams have better players the game panned out with a remarkable familiarity. Spurs initially reducing Liverpool to few chances but with Spurs trying to play out from the back Liverpool's press eventually told with Spurs goalie giving silly passes resulting in players having very little time on the ball delivering misplaced passes leading to loss of possession in the middle of the park with players out of positions opening the way to Liverpool first.
Then Spurs carbon copy of our ineffectual press, Liverpool then l able to stroll through the middle with timed passes and movement unchallenged to more or less open up Spurs at will. Damage done Liverpool resort to possession football to further draw Spur on as they try and get back into the game leaving more and more spaces to be attacked.
We really need to more controlled and patient, keep our self solid, keeping the midfield tight while out of possession and while in possession not give away the ball in dangerous areas of the pitch.With the tactics used at the moment those dangerous areas of the pitch are everywhere.
In possession we are setup play in a way that leaves very little room for error with poor cover.
Out of possession we are giving opposition players time on the ball to pick out unmarked players, you either stop the player on the ball having the time or ensure players are marked properly not giving them the man on the ball the options that we are giving teams.
We are using tactic to get higher up the pitch from the keepers kicks to the flanks and at times winning positions up the pitch with the likes of throw ins but not then using them quickly to press home the territorial advantage gained.
We seem to be reactive to events on the pitch rather than proactive allowing ourselves to become overrun need to condense the areas of the pitch while out of possession and stretch while in possession but in doing so not leaving players isolated or with very little options, working as a team with tactics that can be adapted to overpower the oppositions. [Post edited 7 Feb 15:21]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:29 - Feb 7 with 745 views | onehunglow |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:09 - Feb 6 by Tomsyard |
That’s similar to my earlier post. The wide players have to take on more responsibility and not rely on the full backs to be running past them unless it is obviously on to do so, that’s intelligence or game management, and good coaching call it what you will. I think LW has to more pragmatic in how he sets the team up as we need to break this losing cycle.
When you’re winning a few and drawing a few and sitting comfortably mid table then continuing with your playing philosophy is ok but when over the last month or so has shown they’re not working LW and his coaches have to step out of their philosophy comfort zone and show they can deliver tactics to get the points and it doesn’t matter if it’s pretty or not, do they have it in them. Even Pep is adapting his tactics because of their current run of results, who would of thought we’d see them knocking it long to Harland and to play off him and ok it’s not exactly Warnock but even the best can’t rely on sticking to the same and hoping it all comes good in the end.
Interestingly Russell Martin didn’t change his tactics at Southampton even when it was obvious it wasn’t working and look what’s happened to them and him. I hope LW shows us his tactical abilities this weekend and shuts the likes of me up!! [Post edited 6 Feb 16:19]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:04 - Feb 7 with 518 views | max936 |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:17 - Feb 7 by RichardO |
The midfield is being lost in most games especially as we hold so many players high or wide with us trying to start our play out from the back.
If anybody watch yesterday Liverpool Spurs game, for most this season we have looked like Spurs while our opposition has looked like Liverpool, although these teams have better players the game panned out with a remarkable familiarity. Spurs initially reducing Liverpool to few chances but with Spurs trying to play out from the back Liverpool's press eventually told with Spurs goalie giving silly passes resulting in players having very little time on the ball delivering misplaced passes leading to loss of possession in the middle of the park with players out of positions opening the way to Liverpool first.
Then Spurs carbon copy of our ineffectual press, Liverpool then l able to stroll through the middle with timed passes and movement unchallenged to more or less open up Spurs at will. Damage done Liverpool resort to possession football to further draw Spur on as they try and get back into the game leaving more and more spaces to be attacked.
We really need to more controlled and patient, keep our self solid, keeping the midfield tight while out of possession and while in possession not give away the ball in dangerous areas of the pitch.With the tactics used at the moment those dangerous areas of the pitch are everywhere.
In possession we are setup play in a way that leaves very little room for error with poor cover.
Out of possession we are giving opposition players time on the ball to pick out unmarked players, you either stop the player on the ball having the time or ensure players are marked properly not giving them the man on the ball the options that we are giving teams.
We are using tactic to get higher up the pitch from the keepers kicks to the flanks and at times winning positions up the pitch with the likes of throw ins but not then using them quickly to press home the territorial advantage gained.
We seem to be reactive to events on the pitch rather than proactive allowing ourselves to become overrun need to condense the areas of the pitch while out of possession and stretch while in possession but in doing so not leaving players isolated or with very little options, working as a team with tactics that can be adapted to overpower the oppositions. [Post edited 7 Feb 15:21]
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Control the middle of the park and the game becomes easier, Liverpool do exactly that Gravenberch, Szoboszlai and Jones run the middle last night and then brought on Mac Allister I'd have started him, because he's better than Jones and Jones is a cracking player, but Macca has the edge for me.
No reason as to why we couldn't do that with the right players obviously they won't be the quality of the above, but we being in the championship we could do it.
Van Dijk and Konate rule the back line and why their backline doesn't disintegrate is because Bradley and Robinson do the hard yards and don't or rarely got caught up the field like Tymon and Key do, that's why I say to play a solid back three, with Delcroix, Darling and Cabango the three of then can play and are well capable of doing that job.
We play a back four and Tymon and Key got caught over the halfway line picking daisies which was causing Grimes to drop in to cover Darling and Cabango. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:27]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:12 - Feb 7 with 497 views | onehunglow |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:04 - Feb 7 by max936 |
Control the middle of the park and the game becomes easier, Liverpool do exactly that Gravenberch, Szoboszlai and Jones run the middle last night and then brought on Mac Allister I'd have started him, because he's better than Jones and Jones is a cracking player, but Macca has the edge for me.
No reason as to why we couldn't do that with the right players obviously they won't be the quality of the above, but we being in the championship we could do it.
Van Dijk and Konate rule the back line and why their backline doesn't disintegrate is because Bradley and Robinson do the hard yards and don't or rarely got caught up the field like Tymon and Key do, that's why I say to play a solid back three, with Delcroix, Darling and Cabango the three of then can play and are well capable of doing that job.
We play a back four and Tymon and Key got caught over the halfway line picking daisies which was causing Grimes to drop in to cover Darling and Cabango. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:27]
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Coaching and discipline helps doesnt it | |
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:31 - Feb 7 with 481 views | max936 |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:12 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
Coaching and discipline helps doesnt it |
Well of course and that's what he should be doing, but not with Naughton or Christie being one of the three, which is all he had, but after Sunday Darling is back in the fold, so go for it.
Sam Parker instead of Key, put Key on the bench for a spell. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:04]
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 20:25 - Feb 7 with 385 views | builthjack |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 23:19 - Feb 6 by max936 |
Coleman is lucky the game is away this week. |
It was at Bristol City that Swans fans sang We want Jenkins out for most of the game. He was gone in days. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 20:47 - Feb 7 with 358 views | onehunglow |
| Bristol City v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:31 - Feb 7 by max936 |
Well of course and that's what he should be doing, but not with Naughton or Christie being one of the three, which is all he had, but after Sunday Darling is back in the fold, so go for it.
Sam Parker instead of Key, put Key on the bench for a spell. [Post edited 7 Feb 19:04]
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Naugtn should not have even been given a four yr contract let alone an extension.
I read he’d be good for morale and a role model for others
A costly mistake along with that giving Allen another twelve month deals
These were part game players
Christie is just grotesque
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