| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages 10:02 - Jan 15 with 1967 views | AnotherJohn |
Government plans to repeal sections of the Northern Ireland Troubles Act 2023 may mean that IRA members can claim damages for internment paid by the tax payer. Experts say this could cost us millions.
'Hilary Benn, the Northern Ireland Secretary, said that the decision to repeal the law underlined “the Government’s absolute commitment to the Human Rights Act”.'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/pm-to-pay-damages-to-gerry-adams/ar-BB1rsw [Post edited 15 Jan 10:17]
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:07 - Jan 18 with 493 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 21:54 - Jan 17 by Kilkennyjack |
True but a bit potentially misleading.
The fall out between the irish Free Staters and the remaing IRA was based on Michael Collins agreeing to the partition of Ireland.
The IRA wanted a free whole Ireland, staying true to the cause of an Ireland not just Gaelic, not just free …but both Gaelic and free.
But the British threatened a terrible war if partition was not agreed.
That would threaten any of Ireland being free.
Everyone actually wanted a united Ireland, but the Free Staters reluctantly decided to take the British offer.
Michael Collins paid with his life.
War was avoided.
But all parties wanted a united Ireland, its just how we get there. Michael Collins said partition gave Ireland ‘the freedom to achieve freedom’ (in tbe north).
Only the Brits (and specifically the Brits planted in the north) actually wanted the loyalist Northern Ireland statelet. |
There's nothing misleading in it at all, it's a statement of fact.
Your post could be misleading though, if nobody besides the British wanted Northern Ireland, where did the loyalist terrorists come from? Are you claiming they were/are all British? That would be a claim very hard if not impossible, to prove.
Do people in the North really want a united Ireland,
youtube.com/watch?v=zyQIqfzZOL4 | | | |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:21 - Jan 18 with 476 views | Boundy |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:07 - Jan 18 by SullutaCreturned |
There's nothing misleading in it at all, it's a statement of fact.
Your post could be misleading though, if nobody besides the British wanted Northern Ireland, where did the loyalist terrorists come from? Are you claiming they were/are all British? That would be a claim very hard if not impossible, to prove.
Do people in the North really want a united Ireland,
youtube.com/watch?v=zyQIqfzZOL4 |
Irish history is a twisted wreck , and if KK thinks he has the solution is a dreamer along with hundreds of dreamers who tried before. He mistakenly believes that the British are only on the mainland when deep down he knows as the rest of do that's not true. The Loyalists are called Loyalist, element in NI are more in some parts more loyal than back on the mainland and so a commitment to the UK. Until either sides shifts its views then that will always remain. | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:27 - Jan 18 with 462 views | onehunglow |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:21 - Jan 18 by Boundy |
Irish history is a twisted wreck , and if KK thinks he has the solution is a dreamer along with hundreds of dreamers who tried before. He mistakenly believes that the British are only on the mainland when deep down he knows as the rest of do that's not true. The Loyalists are called Loyalist, element in NI are more in some parts more loyal than back on the mainland and so a commitment to the UK. Until either sides shifts its views then that will always remain. |
I just wish we had stayed out of these countries in the first place
They’ve brought us nothing but pain
It only benefitted the few not the many | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:31 - Jan 18 with 380 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:27 - Jan 18 by onehunglow |
I just wish we had stayed out of these countries in the first place
They’ve brought us nothing but pain
It only benefitted the few not the many |
Exactly OHL. |  |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:37 - Jan 18 with 377 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:07 - Jan 18 by SullutaCreturned |
There's nothing misleading in it at all, it's a statement of fact.
Your post could be misleading though, if nobody besides the British wanted Northern Ireland, where did the loyalist terrorists come from? Are you claiming they were/are all British? That would be a claim very hard if not impossible, to prove.
Do people in the North really want a united Ireland,
youtube.com/watch?v=zyQIqfzZOL4 |
By the 1720s, British Protestants were the majority in Ulster.
The plantations changed the demography of Ireland by creating large communities with British and Protestant identities. The ruling classes of these communities replaced the older Catholic ruling class, which had shared with the general population a common Irish identity and set of political attitudes.
These are the original loyalist people in the north of Ireland. 🇬🇧 | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:40 - Jan 18 with 360 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:37 - Jan 18 by Kilkennyjack |
By the 1720s, British Protestants were the majority in Ulster.
The plantations changed the demography of Ireland by creating large communities with British and Protestant identities. The ruling classes of these communities replaced the older Catholic ruling class, which had shared with the general population a common Irish identity and set of political attitudes.
These are the original loyalist people in the north of Ireland. 🇬🇧 |
The term "British protestants....you do understand that as Irrland was ruled by Britain the residents of Ireland would have been considered British. Back then it wouldn't have been Irish British or Welsh British either, just British because the Monarchy and government wouldn't have it any other way..
Do you also understand that these "British protestants" included a large number of Scottish settlers who had been arriving for 100 years by then. In 1607, Sir Randall MacDonnell settled 300 Presbyterian Scots families on his land in Antrim. From 1609 onwards, British Protestant immigrants arrived in Ulster through direct importation by Undertakers to their estates and also by a spread to unpopulated areas, through ports such as Derry and Carrickfergus.
By 1622, a survey found that there were 6,402 British adult males on Plantation lands, of whom 3,100 were English and 3,700 Scottish – indicating a total adult planter population of around 12,000. However, another 4,000 Scottish adult males had settled in unplanted Antrim and Down, giving a total settler population of about 19,000
Despite the fact that the Plantation had decreed that the Irish population be displaced, this did not generally happen in practice. Firstly, some 300 native landowners who had taken the English side in the Nine Years' War were rewarded with land grants. Secondly, the majority of the Gaelic Irish remained in their native areas, but were now only allowed worse land than before the plantation. They usually lived close to and even in the same townlands as the settlers and the land they had farmed previously.. The main reason for this was that Undertakers could not import enough English or Scottish tenants to fill their agricultural workforce and had to fall back on Irish tenants
My thanks to Wiki for the copy and paste, for the full information that others do not always provide.
As you can see, Kilky, The "British protestants" were mostly Scottish and native Irish. | | | |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:51 - Jan 19 with 302 views | onehunglow |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:40 - Jan 18 by SullutaCreturned |
The term "British protestants....you do understand that as Irrland was ruled by Britain the residents of Ireland would have been considered British. Back then it wouldn't have been Irish British or Welsh British either, just British because the Monarchy and government wouldn't have it any other way..
Do you also understand that these "British protestants" included a large number of Scottish settlers who had been arriving for 100 years by then. In 1607, Sir Randall MacDonnell settled 300 Presbyterian Scots families on his land in Antrim. From 1609 onwards, British Protestant immigrants arrived in Ulster through direct importation by Undertakers to their estates and also by a spread to unpopulated areas, through ports such as Derry and Carrickfergus.
By 1622, a survey found that there were 6,402 British adult males on Plantation lands, of whom 3,100 were English and 3,700 Scottish – indicating a total adult planter population of around 12,000. However, another 4,000 Scottish adult males had settled in unplanted Antrim and Down, giving a total settler population of about 19,000
Despite the fact that the Plantation had decreed that the Irish population be displaced, this did not generally happen in practice. Firstly, some 300 native landowners who had taken the English side in the Nine Years' War were rewarded with land grants. Secondly, the majority of the Gaelic Irish remained in their native areas, but were now only allowed worse land than before the plantation. They usually lived close to and even in the same townlands as the settlers and the land they had farmed previously.. The main reason for this was that Undertakers could not import enough English or Scottish tenants to fill their agricultural workforce and had to fall back on Irish tenants
My thanks to Wiki for the copy and paste, for the full information that others do not always provide.
As you can see, Kilky, The "British protestants" were mostly Scottish and native Irish. |
I thought you knew that without Wikipedia
That’s cheating | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:13 - Jan 19 with 291 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:51 - Jan 19 by onehunglow |
I thought you knew that without Wikipedia
That’s cheating |
He knows very little and understands less.
Let my try again ….
Irish Catholic people lived in Ireland
England took control by force of arms, just like in Wales
Called British by some, but its Englands London rulers, of course
Good land was stolen, and different people arrived from Scotland and England as a direct result
Some of this was in Ulster, and these people were protestant and loyalist
Please note - different cultures arrived, but nobody in Ireland wanted this.
Many many years later there is a national vote for a free Ireland or an Ireland that remained part of London rule. This was deliberately done at a sub national level as everyone knew that the protestant, loyalist people in the north would vote to stay with London rather than be a minority in a Catholic Ireland.
Everybody else voted for a free and independent Ireland.
Hence the made up statelet of Northern Ireland which is just 100 years old.
So … the loyalist people in the north would be offended for you to suggest they might be the same as the Irish. They came from Scotland and England, and remain very loyal to that tradition. More loyal than any of the mainland people.
In recent years that deliberately built in numerical advantage has disappeared, making an United Ireland inevitable at some future point.
In rough and ready terms thats that … Ian Paisley was Protestant, loyalism manifest. | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:28 - Jan 19 with 285 views | onehunglow |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:13 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
He knows very little and understands less.
Let my try again ….
Irish Catholic people lived in Ireland
England took control by force of arms, just like in Wales
Called British by some, but its Englands London rulers, of course
Good land was stolen, and different people arrived from Scotland and England as a direct result
Some of this was in Ulster, and these people were protestant and loyalist
Please note - different cultures arrived, but nobody in Ireland wanted this.
Many many years later there is a national vote for a free Ireland or an Ireland that remained part of London rule. This was deliberately done at a sub national level as everyone knew that the protestant, loyalist people in the north would vote to stay with London rather than be a minority in a Catholic Ireland.
Everybody else voted for a free and independent Ireland.
Hence the made up statelet of Northern Ireland which is just 100 years old.
So … the loyalist people in the north would be offended for you to suggest they might be the same as the Irish. They came from Scotland and England, and remain very loyal to that tradition. More loyal than any of the mainland people.
In recent years that deliberately built in numerical advantage has disappeared, making an United Ireland inevitable at some future point.
In rough and ready terms thats that … Ian Paisley was Protestant, loyalism manifest. |
I don’t disagree but my point is that it’s old history and we should move on
Most countries have dark pasts
Jesus, that of Netherlands,France ,Portugal,Spain and even lovely Denmark isnt exactly edifying
Far less English people feel proud of the last exactly
Ireland’s history of state sponsored sexual abuse is as bad as it gets. At least the Church is no longer omnipotent .
I’d like our monarchy detached from the C of E ,if we can’t get rid of the current system | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 11:32 - Jan 19 with 279 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:28 - Jan 19 by onehunglow |
I don’t disagree but my point is that it’s old history and we should move on
Most countries have dark pasts
Jesus, that of Netherlands,France ,Portugal,Spain and even lovely Denmark isnt exactly edifying
Far less English people feel proud of the last exactly
Ireland’s history of state sponsored sexual abuse is as bad as it gets. At least the Church is no longer omnipotent .
I’d like our monarchy detached from the C of E ,if we can’t get rid of the current system |
Yes - i agree on the Royals.
Did you see this ?
You will find the correct word/words i am sure ……
The King visited a food bank in a helicopter …. [Post edited 19 Jan 11:34]
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 16:27 - Jan 19 with 213 views | onehunglow |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 11:32 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes - i agree on the Royals.
Did you see this ?
You will find the correct word/words i am sure ……
The King visited a food bank in a helicopter …. [Post edited 19 Jan 11:34]
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Pitiful ain’t it | |
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| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 16:31 - Jan 19 with 205 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:51 - Jan 19 by onehunglow |
I thought you knew that without Wikipedia
That’s cheating |
Why is research cheating?
Why is the pusruit of knowledge cheating?
How do we learn then if it is cheating? | | | |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 16:58 - Jan 19 with 193 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:13 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
He knows very little and understands less.
Let my try again ….
Irish Catholic people lived in Ireland
England took control by force of arms, just like in Wales
Called British by some, but its Englands London rulers, of course
Good land was stolen, and different people arrived from Scotland and England as a direct result
Some of this was in Ulster, and these people were protestant and loyalist
Please note - different cultures arrived, but nobody in Ireland wanted this.
Many many years later there is a national vote for a free Ireland or an Ireland that remained part of London rule. This was deliberately done at a sub national level as everyone knew that the protestant, loyalist people in the north would vote to stay with London rather than be a minority in a Catholic Ireland.
Everybody else voted for a free and independent Ireland.
Hence the made up statelet of Northern Ireland which is just 100 years old.
So … the loyalist people in the north would be offended for you to suggest they might be the same as the Irish. They came from Scotland and England, and remain very loyal to that tradition. More loyal than any of the mainland people.
In recent years that deliberately built in numerical advantage has disappeared, making an United Ireland inevitable at some future point.
In rough and ready terms thats that … Ian Paisley was Protestant, loyalism manifest. |
And you say I don't understand....
First up AGAIN, every country in the world is "made up" they are all surrounded by artifically constructed borders.
Much of the land settled was uninhabited, it was in my post.
You say NOBODY in Ireland wanted this, can you back that up in any way or is it just your opinion?
It's really funny to hear you spout this line about Ireland when you spout a different line about Wales, you call it civic nationalism. It marks you down as a total hypocrite, or a liar. The residents of the areas that becaime Northern Ireland voted a certain way and got wht they wanted, it seems you still don't like democracy when it provides an answer you don't want. There are other countries in the world today that are also less than 100 years old and their people wanted it to happen. Should they be disbanded and forced back into whichever country they left merely because they are "new"?
South Sudan, Kosovo, East Timor, Palau, Eritrea, Czech republic, Slovakia, Yemen, Latvia, Lithuania, Brunei, St Kitts and Nevis, The Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands, all of those are a lot less than 100 years old so does that mean they shouldn't exist? And they exist because the people, the residents of those areas wanted it that way just as in Northern Ireland.
That built in adbvantage hasn't disappeared, the people of Northern Ireland are descendants of the plantation and they consider themselves to be Irish. They are entitled to their beliefs and opinions. The only real difference between them and the Southern Irish now is religion and passports. Otherwise they are all human beings who deserve respect and to be allowed to make their own decisions.
If, one day, the decide they want to keave the UK and join the ROI then it's their choice and I think they are more likely to be offended by you demanding you know who they are and what they want. That is for them to say, not you.
You don't have a great track record at this predictions lark, Scotland, indy up there is further away than ever which, by your logic makes Welsh indy furhter away too.
You see, you cannot demand that people can make their own choices and then demand they will do what you say they will do. You don't speak for the millions of people, you can barely even speak for yourself with contradicting yourself or being a hypocrite.
There's nothing new here, same old Kilky. | | | |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 08:25 - Jan 20 with 128 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 16:58 - Jan 19 by SullutaCreturned |
And you say I don't understand....
First up AGAIN, every country in the world is "made up" they are all surrounded by artifically constructed borders.
Much of the land settled was uninhabited, it was in my post.
You say NOBODY in Ireland wanted this, can you back that up in any way or is it just your opinion?
It's really funny to hear you spout this line about Ireland when you spout a different line about Wales, you call it civic nationalism. It marks you down as a total hypocrite, or a liar. The residents of the areas that becaime Northern Ireland voted a certain way and got wht they wanted, it seems you still don't like democracy when it provides an answer you don't want. There are other countries in the world today that are also less than 100 years old and their people wanted it to happen. Should they be disbanded and forced back into whichever country they left merely because they are "new"?
South Sudan, Kosovo, East Timor, Palau, Eritrea, Czech republic, Slovakia, Yemen, Latvia, Lithuania, Brunei, St Kitts and Nevis, The Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands, all of those are a lot less than 100 years old so does that mean they shouldn't exist? And they exist because the people, the residents of those areas wanted it that way just as in Northern Ireland.
That built in adbvantage hasn't disappeared, the people of Northern Ireland are descendants of the plantation and they consider themselves to be Irish. They are entitled to their beliefs and opinions. The only real difference between them and the Southern Irish now is religion and passports. Otherwise they are all human beings who deserve respect and to be allowed to make their own decisions.
If, one day, the decide they want to keave the UK and join the ROI then it's their choice and I think they are more likely to be offended by you demanding you know who they are and what they want. That is for them to say, not you.
You don't have a great track record at this predictions lark, Scotland, indy up there is further away than ever which, by your logic makes Welsh indy furhter away too.
You see, you cannot demand that people can make their own choices and then demand they will do what you say they will do. You don't speak for the millions of people, you can barely even speak for yourself with contradicting yourself or being a hypocrite.
There's nothing new here, same old Kilky. |
If you think the people in the north of Ireland from the loyalist tradition now think they are Irish then tbere is no hope.
I explained how partition happened.
I never said the people had no right to vote.
I will say the date was gerrymandered by London.
An all Ireland vote creates an all Ireland republic.
Of course the rest of the Ireland wanted out of the UK cos thats the way they voted.
BritNat establishment is trying to derail things in Scotland with Comrade Nicola, we still wait on that. SNP still voted in to run things.
Brexit accelerated a united Ireland and Sinn Fein are the biggest party in tbe north already with First Minister Michelle O’Neill.
And then Wales unless the Labour/Labour situation with Cardiff/London starts to delivery prosperity.
If you still cant see the direction of travel then i cant help you. Its clear. Give it 5 years max for a border poll in Ireland. | |
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