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The revival of New Labour and clear red water 09:52 - Jan 5 with 1458 viewsAnotherJohn

Wes Streeting’s announcement in the papers today of addressing the problems of the NHS through improved patient choice of hospital for elective services, and his recent mention of greater use of private hospitals to reduce waiting times, signal a revival of the New Labour policies introduced by Alan Milburn in the noughties. Giving patients the ability to choose between at least three hospitals when they were referred for investigations or treatment was an English NHS policy continued by the Tories/Lib Dems after 2010, but never universally implemented because of variable commitment from GPs and the pressures that tight budgets and later the pandemic brought.

The interesting thing is that patient choice was fiercely resisted by Labour in Wales. First Minister Rhodri Morgan spoke of the "clear red water" between Westminster and Cardiff Bay. Policy makers in Wales attacked the consumerism and market bias of the English New Labour policies. Rather the Welsh Government’s declared strategy was to “... empower the community to have its voice heard and heeded, rather than simply being given a choice of treatment location.” Similarly our government stated that the use of private providers to carry out NHS work would end in Wales (although waiting times pressures in some areas meant it actually continued).

A key special advisor on health to the First Minister at that time was Mark Drakeford. I doubt that our present Health Minister has changed his mind. Are we about to see MSs again muttering about clear red water and the right-leaning tendencies within New Labour?
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 16:57 - Jan 6 with 378 viewsKilkennyjack

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 17:18 - Jan 5 by onehunglow

Welsh folk still receiving specialist treatment on Wirral and aliverpool as Wales lacks this


Yes mate, Wales needs investment …

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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 17:02 - Jan 6 with 368 viewsKilkennyjack

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 09:11 - Jan 6 by raynor94

Quislings? Give your head a wobble, we are a United Kingdom and long may it continue.


You act like its Greater England.

Nobody goes to church anymore, and the pits are closed.
No need for anyone to live on their knees anymore.

Where is our HS2 money ?
The great Welsh train robbery.

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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 17:25 - Jan 6 with 341 viewsAnotherJohn

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 16:21 - Jan 6 by JACKMANANDBOY

I heard Streeting going on about using the Independent Sector today, that's his new name for Private Healthcare.


Others two used that phrase down through the years to mean private, though it can also take in third sector providers like Macmillan and Marie Curie. A change in terminology that caught my eye is that what were independent centre treatment centres (ISTCs) in the old speak, now seem to be "surgical hubs". In the past there were a limited number of NHS treatment centres based on the ISTC model, and it looks as though many of the new hubs will be also be NHS units that concentrate on a narrow range of routine surgical procedures.
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 18:38 - Jan 6 with 287 viewsraynor94

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 17:02 - Jan 6 by Kilkennyjack

You act like its Greater England.

Nobody goes to church anymore, and the pits are closed.
No need for anyone to live on their knees anymore.

Where is our HS2 money ?
The great Welsh train robbery.


What and see this so called Welsh government waste it on fanciful projects.

2025/2026 the Welsh government will receive a £21 billion settlement which is the largest in the history of Devolution

You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 20:37 - Jan 6 with 248 viewsSullutaCreturned

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 11:41 - Jan 5 by Kilkennyjack

Devo max is the first step.
Independence the second step.

Centralised Westmonster government simply ensures wales is never a priority and always an after thought.
Johnson would refer to the administration in Cardiff Bay and the administration in Edinburgh rather than use the terms Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt. For posh boy unionists its all a funny game, unfortunately for the people of Wales and Scotland it means our needs are never the priority call.

Welsh coal tips need making safe, UK govt not prepared to protect lives.
Meanwhile millions spent on bombs for foreign wars.


Devo and Indy....dream on, if it does happen we will all be long dead.

No pint in quoting Bojo, he has hardly any supporters on here, if any at all.

Hmm, foreign wars, are you against stopping Putin then? Woulkd you be happy for Putin to take Ukraine
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 01:39 - Jan 7 with 212 viewsRobbie

Hot air and promises from our new Government again , sounds great on paper and a Politician to gain Brownie points and votes at the next GE .

Ignore Westminster and their pledges and promises , Wales is run by the WAG and their financial support for our Welsh NHS .

Looks like Mark Drakeford in back in charge of Welsh Hospitals and expenditure .

Bloke could not run a bath let alone the Welsh NHS .
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 14:02 - Jan 7 with 148 viewsAnotherJohn

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 01:39 - Jan 7 by Robbie

Hot air and promises from our new Government again , sounds great on paper and a Politician to gain Brownie points and votes at the next GE .

Ignore Westminster and their pledges and promises , Wales is run by the WAG and their financial support for our Welsh NHS .

Looks like Mark Drakeford in back in charge of Welsh Hospitals and expenditure .

Bloke could not run a bath let alone the Welsh NHS .


I said the fault lines between Westminster and Welsh Labour would start to appear. It didn't take long.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/former-labour-minister-says-his-party-face-
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 14:31 - Jan 7 with 124 viewsonehunglow

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 17:02 - Jan 6 by Kilkennyjack

You act like its Greater England.

Nobody goes to church anymore, and the pits are closed.
No need for anyone to live on their knees anymore.

Where is our HS2 money ?
The great Welsh train robbery.


Isn’t Dechrau canu still going

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The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 00:21 - Jan 8 with 63 viewsRobbie

The revival of New Labour and clear red water on 14:02 - Jan 7 by AnotherJohn

I said the fault lines between Westminster and Welsh Labour would start to appear. It didn't take long.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/former-labour-minister-says-his-party-face-


Starmer could not even be bothered to speak to Drakeford in the past , ignored totally .

A Prime Minister , Labour as we have to accept sadly will now wash their hands of Wales .
You lot voted for your own controls of your decision making so live with it .

Scottish Independance movement including Salmon and Sturgeon went well , they are still part of the UK thankfully to date .

Joke and play on words there regarding our Celtic cousins .
Loved Edinburgh on my recent visits too , great City .
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