| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:31 - Jan 9 with 454 views | onehunglow |
They are gutless
All parties are
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:07 - Jan 9 with 430 views | KeithHaynes |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:31 - Jan 9 by onehunglow |
They are gutless
All parties are
Clearly |
Never put your faith in anyone who wants to dictate peoples lives from a position of power.
Brew your own. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:31 - Jan 9 with 401 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:35 - Jan 9 by Scotia |
I doubt that's the root cause of any of it. |
What you doubt and what's known can be many different things , the muslim faith which openly promotes its followers to believe that they are superior to non believers , and as we have seen, is often taken literally, too many times we've seen butchering on the streets of this country in the name of Allah ,this is another form of all encompassing righteousness taken to an extreme. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:32 - Jan 9 with 400 views | Gwyn737 |
Absolutely.
I spent two days at the DfE as part of the evidence gathering for the school.safeguarding bit, I won’t over state my role but to it was both tiny and apolitical.
There are bigger risks for abuse than ethnicity, that’s not to say these issues don’t intertwine on occasion | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:33 - Jan 9 with 399 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:31 - Jan 9 by Boundy |
What you doubt and what's known can be many different things , the muslim faith which openly promotes its followers to believe that they are superior to non believers , and as we have seen, is often taken literally, too many times we've seen butchering on the streets of this country in the name of Allah ,this is another form of all encompassing righteousness taken to an extreme. |
Most religions promote the belief that their followers are superior to others. The Catholic Church has a history of bloodshed that at least rivals and possibly surpasses Islam.
Religious crazies are going to crazy whatever fictional book they're into. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:40 - Jan 9 with 382 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:33 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston |
Most religions promote the belief that their followers are superior to others. The Catholic Church has a history of bloodshed that at least rivals and possibly surpasses Islam.
Religious crazies are going to crazy whatever fictional book they're into. |
I agree, regarding all religion has the propensity to carry inhumane acts but as these rape gangs being discussed mainly contain Pakistani men then the guesstimate is they follow Islam . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:45 - Jan 9 with 370 views | Luther27 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 06:34 - Jan 9 by Scotia |
No. Obviously not. There's been an investigation on all forms of child abuse who's results were published just 16 months ago.
There are obviously far bigger issues regarding child abuse than grooming gangs. The stats prove that.
If you really want to protect children a national inquiry in to grooming gangs is dealing with a very small part of a massive problem. And also probably not the most effective. |
The point of a public enquiry in my understanding is to gather information on how it happened and why. Understanding and identifying why institutions failed, what caused them to fail and accountability.
It seems to be the way of The United Kingdom that this will never happen as there are too many stakeholders in this crime who will be required to attend in the full focus of media. Can you imagine how that would pan out? | | | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:52 - Jan 9 with 363 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:40 - Jan 9 by Boundy |
I agree, regarding all religion has the propensity to carry inhumane acts but as these rape gangs being discussed mainly contain Pakistani men then the guesstimate is they follow Islam . |
The fact that it's mostly Pakistani Moslems would suggest that it's probably a mix between culture and religion. Given the general disdain in Islam for the rights of women it would be dumb to suggest that Religion plays no part, but Moslems of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds don't tend to feature much in the lists of those prosecuted.
Perhaps that's just because most Moslems in the UK have their roots in that area instead of others like Bangladesh or Indonesia, but you'd expect to see some others if it was purely a religion thing. Maybe it's just an extended family/clan thing. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 22:16 - Jan 9 with 295 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:52 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston |
The fact that it's mostly Pakistani Moslems would suggest that it's probably a mix between culture and religion. Given the general disdain in Islam for the rights of women it would be dumb to suggest that Religion plays no part, but Moslems of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds don't tend to feature much in the lists of those prosecuted.
Perhaps that's just because most Moslems in the UK have their roots in that area instead of others like Bangladesh or Indonesia, but you'd expect to see some others if it was purely a religion thing. Maybe it's just an extended family/clan thing. |
Good theory , it would be interesting , if possible, to see the backgrounds and links (if any) of each perpetrator , Mosques, family links , types of businesses ie taxi firms. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 00:43 - Jan 10 with 251 views | Robbie |
Surprised Nia Griffiths , Llanelli my old stomping ground voted against a review over these horrendous acts , hang your head in shame now please .
Good discussion on the wireless earlier , saying the original immigrants where happy to find and wanted work in the UK , NHS , Dockside or Bus Drivers were needed after the War .
These people filled the labour shortfall and filled the gaps for vital sevices .
Sadly second and third generation refugees do not have the same attitude of their past .
UK is now a place of weaith and money making potential for all the wrong reasons . | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 07:59 - Jan 10 with 182 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:31 - Jan 9 by Boundy |
What you doubt and what's known can be many different things , the muslim faith which openly promotes its followers to believe that they are superior to non believers , and as we have seen, is often taken literally, too many times we've seen butchering on the streets of this country in the name of Allah ,this is another form of all encompassing righteousness taken to an extreme. |
Pretty much every religion believe that. Most religions also believe that Men are superior to women. Fundamentally though all religions are based on peace and respect of fellow humans, depending on the interpretaions of whatever ficitional text they follow.
The behaviour of the men in these cases are probably comes from their entire culture and the circumsatnces they find themselves in.
Mistreatment of anyone wouldn't be preached by their Imman. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:15 - Jan 10 with 160 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 00:43 - Jan 10 by Robbie |
Surprised Nia Griffiths , Llanelli my old stomping ground voted against a review over these horrendous acts , hang your head in shame now please .
Good discussion on the wireless earlier , saying the original immigrants where happy to find and wanted work in the UK , NHS , Dockside or Bus Drivers were needed after the War .
These people filled the labour shortfall and filled the gaps for vital sevices .
Sadly second and third generation refugees do not have the same attitude of their past .
UK is now a place of weaith and money making potential for all the wrong reasons . |
She didn't she voted for the Childrens Wellbeing bill.
The others voted against a childrens wellbeing bill just to appease populist and misrepresented headlines and a megalomaniac, narcissitic billionaire.
There is definitiely one group of politicians who should be ashamed. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:33 - Jan 10 with 151 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 07:59 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
Pretty much every religion believe that. Most religions also believe that Men are superior to women. Fundamentally though all religions are based on peace and respect of fellow humans, depending on the interpretaions of whatever ficitional text they follow.
The behaviour of the men in these cases are probably comes from their entire culture and the circumsatnces they find themselves in.
Mistreatment of anyone wouldn't be preached by their Imman. |
True
Every religious adherent believes they and only they are right | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:39 - Jan 10 with 145 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 21:38 - Jan 8 by Dr_Winston |
There certainly needs to be a national inquiry as to why Police Forces and Social Services all over the UK were far more afraid of being called Racist than they were of young girls being abused.
The problem for Starmer it's his people who helped to create that environment. The "Common Purpose" types infesting Government, the legal profession, Academia and other areas. It's precisely why he's fighting so hard to avoid one. |
That is so very true.
It’s not a recent phenomenon either.
In fact ,the watershed was the events prior to the PACE act when ethnics saw themselves as being discriminated against and targeted . This led to a sea change in the thinking of Chief Constables nationwide.
The whole ethos has changed
Policing these days is horrific on the front line and worse within police stations | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:25 - Jan 10 with 126 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:15 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
She didn't she voted for the Childrens Wellbeing bill.
The others voted against a childrens wellbeing bill just to appease populist and misrepresented headlines and a megalomaniac, narcissitic billionaire.
There is definitiely one group of politicians who should be ashamed. |
This is moving into OTT territory What has Musk got in common with Andy Burnham or Harriet Harman? Logically Musk's internet ramblings do not undermine the argument about accountability and community relations that many sensible people are advancing. As I see things. the accusation of racism as the primary motivation for wanting another inquiry that you are hinting at, is another deflection from the true issues. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:55 - Jan 10 with 112 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 07:59 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
Pretty much every religion believe that. Most religions also believe that Men are superior to women. Fundamentally though all religions are based on peace and respect of fellow humans, depending on the interpretaions of whatever ficitional text they follow.
The behaviour of the men in these cases are probably comes from their entire culture and the circumsatnces they find themselves in.
Mistreatment of anyone wouldn't be preached by their Imman. |
Not to the extent that you have Mormons chopping heads off soldiers in the streets or blowing up buses etc all in the name of Allah, shooting dead journalists in an office or be heading a school teacher for showing images of a sky fairy.
There is plenty of text in the Bible and Koran which would seem to encourage attacks on other faith followers or not even those displaying any faith, but why is the Muslim faith so keen to take it literally , you seem to have forgotten our very own Anjem Choudary by the way.
We haven't even mentioned faith schools , another establishment for extremist views to fester and grow. not all admittedly but its estimated 250,000 children attend approximately 2,000 madrassas in the UK , what chance of integration is there when these continue to grow within an ever growing population which is being imported from countries in which Christianity is not followed and in some cases followers ostracised or even killed. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:02 - Jan 10 with 111 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:55 - Jan 10 by Boundy |
Not to the extent that you have Mormons chopping heads off soldiers in the streets or blowing up buses etc all in the name of Allah, shooting dead journalists in an office or be heading a school teacher for showing images of a sky fairy.
There is plenty of text in the Bible and Koran which would seem to encourage attacks on other faith followers or not even those displaying any faith, but why is the Muslim faith so keen to take it literally , you seem to have forgotten our very own Anjem Choudary by the way.
We haven't even mentioned faith schools , another establishment for extremist views to fester and grow. not all admittedly but its estimated 250,000 children attend approximately 2,000 madrassas in the UK , what chance of integration is there when these continue to grow within an ever growing population which is being imported from countries in which Christianity is not followed and in some cases followers ostracised or even killed. |
I am the way,the truth and the life
Yeah baby | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:25 - Jan 10 with 103 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:02 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
I am the way,the truth and the life
Yeah baby |
Sorry mate its my way or the byway | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:28 - Jan 10 with 99 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:25 - Jan 10 by Boundy |
Sorry mate its my way or the byway |
Nah.
That was John 3:16
Pummelled into us at chapel | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:09 - Jan 10 with 57 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:25 - Jan 10 by AnotherJohn |
This is moving into OTT territory What has Musk got in common with Andy Burnham or Harriet Harman? Logically Musk's internet ramblings do not undermine the argument about accountability and community relations that many sensible people are advancing. As I see things. the accusation of racism as the primary motivation for wanting another inquiry that you are hinting at, is another deflection from the true issues. |
Surely the true and most important issues are the number of victims and the likelihood of there being further victims?
The fact remains that grooming gangs are / were localised with relatively small numbers of victims and there has already been several inquiries.
It is worth noting that the Bristol grooming gang with a very similar MO is rarely lumped in with the others.
I don't think either Burnham or Harman have called anyone a rape apologist. [Post edited 10 Jan 11:13]
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:21 - Jan 10 with 44 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:55 - Jan 10 by Boundy |
Not to the extent that you have Mormons chopping heads off soldiers in the streets or blowing up buses etc all in the name of Allah, shooting dead journalists in an office or be heading a school teacher for showing images of a sky fairy.
There is plenty of text in the Bible and Koran which would seem to encourage attacks on other faith followers or not even those displaying any faith, but why is the Muslim faith so keen to take it literally , you seem to have forgotten our very own Anjem Choudary by the way.
We haven't even mentioned faith schools , another establishment for extremist views to fester and grow. not all admittedly but its estimated 250,000 children attend approximately 2,000 madrassas in the UK , what chance of integration is there when these continue to grow within an ever growing population which is being imported from countries in which Christianity is not followed and in some cases followers ostracised or even killed. |
Your conflating very different interpretations of Islam.
Madrassahs don't spread extremism in the vast majority of cases they're out of school arabic / Koran studies. Hardly any are full time. No different to church run youth clubs or confirmation classes.
Do you actually know any muslims? | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:26 - Jan 10 with 39 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:21 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
Your conflating very different interpretations of Islam.
Madrassahs don't spread extremism in the vast majority of cases they're out of school arabic / Koran studies. Hardly any are full time. No different to church run youth clubs or confirmation classes.
Do you actually know any muslims? |
So why is it that religious pillars of piety and standing in the community seem so prone to pederasty
The COf E is infested with them,Catholic church has proven horrific history and Islam…a religious that advocates hatred for those who don’t follow .
It’s indefensible
All adherents quote from whichever scripture suits their narrative
They are filth and should be seen as such
Biggest question is why we’d unit out these away for their whole lives . They ruin the lives of the young .
No excuses | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:10 - Jan 10 with 24 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:26 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
So why is it that religious pillars of piety and standing in the community seem so prone to pederasty
The COf E is infested with them,Catholic church has proven horrific history and Islam…a religious that advocates hatred for those who don’t follow .
It’s indefensible
All adherents quote from whichever scripture suits their narrative
They are filth and should be seen as such
Biggest question is why we’d unit out these away for their whole lives . They ruin the lives of the young .
No excuses |
If there are 200 million priests in the world and 5% are paedophiles that’s only ten million. |  |
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