| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 8536 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 14:48 - Dec 17 with 1030 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 12:38 - Dec 17 by AnotherJohn |
I'm going to give up after this post as certain other posters on this thread simply haven't done their research. Vague mention of subsidies does not capture the change that has occurred since COVID-19 in the franchising model and the flow of resources between government (DfT) and the passenger train operating companies.
Look at this report and especially p. 19 and indeed the whole chapter on passenger services.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/A-financial-overview-of-the-ra
The quote below gives the gist of what has happened, but the table on page 19 provides more precise information about payment of management fees etc. As JMAB says the ORR website also contains relevant info.
"In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, government changed the franchising model of passenger service delivery, transferring substantially all risk and reward from operators to the Department. The new arrangements mean the government is now directly exposed to operators’ income and expenditure positions, rather than exposure being
deferred until a franchise contract ends or the financial position of a franchisee changes." [Post edited 17 Dec 12:48]
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Some people are just not worth having a discussion with, they just want to argue for argues sake. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 15:51 - Dec 17 with 958 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 11:48 - Dec 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Unfortunately the unions don't want 7 day rotas. They are more than happy to claim inflated overtime rates for working weekends.
More people already work in the Nationalised sector of the Rail work , 40,000 in network rail alone, the private train companies.
Subsidies are far less than now than before privatisation due ti the success of the private Rail companies in doubling passenger numbers compared with nationaliSed British Rail.
Subsidies peaked after Network Rail was nationalised and have reduced significantly in recent years with most of the Subsidies being paid to nationalised network Rail. |
Shame on the unions for wanting the best for their members. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:27 - Dec 17 with 915 views | Gwyn737 |
It’s a shame when it comes to public sector pay, we only seem to talk about the 20,000 train drivers, never the 20,000 hospital porters, the 800,000 care workers or the 300,000 teaching assistants.
Meanwhile, the pay gap continues to widen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkx36dpzmxo | | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:52 - Dec 17 with 879 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Public sector pay on 17:27 - Dec 17 by Gwyn737 |
It’s a shame when it comes to public sector pay, we only seem to talk about the 20,000 train drivers, never the 20,000 hospital porters, the 800,000 care workers or the 300,000 teaching assistants.
Meanwhile, the pay gap continues to widen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkx36dpzmxo |
Train drivers and junior doctors are outliers in that they had big increases at short notice after the election having held strikes for many months.
As you say there are some very poorly paid workers in the public sector who get little air time. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 18:19 - Dec 17 with 847 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 17:52 - Dec 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Train drivers and junior doctors are outliers in that they had big increases at short notice after the election having held strikes for many months.
As you say there are some very poorly paid workers in the public sector who get little air time. |
There are some very poorly paid workers in the private sector who get no airtime. Why should the public sector be any different. Poorly paid are poorly paid wherever they work, many without the job security of the public sector. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 17 with 829 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 17:27 - Dec 17 by Gwyn737 |
It’s a shame when it comes to public sector pay, we only seem to talk about the 20,000 train drivers, never the 20,000 hospital porters, the 800,000 care workers or the 300,000 teaching assistants.
Meanwhile, the pay gap continues to widen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkx36dpzmxo |
I'm not in disagreement, but are you willing to pay more taxes to fund it | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:41 - Dec 17 with 811 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 17 by controversial_jack |
I'm not in disagreement, but are you willing to pay more taxes to fund it |
Yes. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:44 - Dec 17 with 800 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 17 by controversial_jack |
I'm not in disagreement, but are you willing to pay more taxes to fund it |
We're paying more taxes anyway and for what?
What we really need is a government that sorts the public finances out and a good way to start would be to improve the economy, how about some job creation but not at management levels? How about cuts to the number of politicians so public money is spent were it's needed and not on expenses?
If higher taxes is the way then yes, I'd pay more. Put 2p in the pound on taxes. A lot wouldn't like it though. | | | |
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| Public sector pay on 18:47 - Dec 17 with 793 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 18:19 - Dec 17 by Whiterockin |
There are some very poorly paid workers in the private sector who get no airtime. Why should the public sector be any different. Poorly paid are poorly paid wherever they work, many without the job security of the public sector. |
There you go talking sense again. Care workers who come here are on minimum wage they work for a care company, the help the Nurse that comes here she's on better money of course, they change the lad who can be in a dreadful state on times and bath him amongst other duties carer lives in Cardiff as well which is costly. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 18:53 - Dec 17 with 785 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 17 by controversial_jack |
I'm not in disagreement, but are you willing to pay more taxes to fund it |
It's inevitable.
The biggest piece of blatant bribery was the two Tory NI cuts. A desperate attempt to get votes which if it failed Labour would have to find a way to pay for. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:44 - Dec 17 with 771 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Public sector pay on 18:19 - Dec 17 by Whiterockin |
There are some very poorly paid workers in the private sector who get no airtime. Why should the public sector be any different. Poorly paid are poorly paid wherever they work, many without the job security of the public sector. |
True, and of course, on balance public sector pensions are more favourable. | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:26 - Dec 17 with 732 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 19:44 - Dec 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
True, and of course, on balance public sector pensions are more favourable. |
I agree about the pension.
We just need to pay enough that people will do the jobs. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:34 - Dec 17 with 704 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 18:47 - Dec 17 by max936 |
There you go talking sense again. Care workers who come here are on minimum wage they work for a care company, the help the Nurse that comes here she's on better money of course, they change the lad who can be in a dreadful state on times and bath him amongst other duties carer lives in Cardiff as well which is costly. |
Care workers in the NHS are not on min wage. It's not a lot for what they do. Swansea bay health care assistants are in line for another rise too. Well deserved for the workload they have | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:04 - Dec 17 with 683 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 20:34 - Dec 17 by controversial_jack |
Care workers in the NHS are not on min wage. It's not a lot for what they do. Swansea bay health care assistants are in line for another rise too. Well deserved for the workload they have |
Only a small percentage of care workers work in the public sector. The majority are working in the private sector often not paid travelling time between calls, which can be miles apart if the runs are in the gower area or outside the town centre. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:54 - Dec 17 with 605 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 21:04 - Dec 17 by Whiterockin |
Only a small percentage of care workers work in the public sector. The majority are working in the private sector often not paid travelling time between calls, which can be miles apart if the runs are in the gower area or outside the town centre. |
It’s shameful that such practices can exist today. Most carers, whether it’s in hospital, a home or in the community do a great job and they are almost always under appreciated. I think carers deserve more.
Band 2 NHS health care workers on wards or in the community are paid £12.08 per hour, about 60p above minimum wage, as a comparison LIDL pay their staff £12.40 per hour. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 23:21 - Dec 17 with 580 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 22:54 - Dec 17 by majorraglan |
It’s shameful that such practices can exist today. Most carers, whether it’s in hospital, a home or in the community do a great job and they are almost always under appreciated. I think carers deserve more.
Band 2 NHS health care workers on wards or in the community are paid £12.08 per hour, about 60p above minimum wage, as a comparison LIDL pay their staff £12.40 per hour. |
Our Carers and the Nurses work for a private company, Nurses are on good money I think but the basic carers/assistants are on minimum wage.
My Mrs is named carer she works two days a week, lad goes to day service and staff are here twice a week for 5.5 hrs rest of the time the Mrs mostly deals with his care he can be sleepless a lot of the time leading to the Mrs having little sleep.
Carers Allowance rate is shocking think its around £72 a week now. [Post edited 18 Dec 18:12]
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| Public sector pay on 23:32 - Dec 17 with 572 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 21:04 - Dec 17 by Whiterockin |
Only a small percentage of care workers work in the public sector. The majority are working in the private sector often not paid travelling time between calls, which can be miles apart if the runs are in the gower area or outside the town centre. |
Take no notice Whitey he's on ignore, But I know first hand what the girl that comes here from Cardiff and she gets no fuel allowance and is on minimum wage its shocking, she works for the company who has the contract. its shocking.
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| Public sector pay on 11:01 - Dec 18 with 431 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 22:54 - Dec 17 by majorraglan |
It’s shameful that such practices can exist today. Most carers, whether it’s in hospital, a home or in the community do a great job and they are almost always under appreciated. I think carers deserve more.
Band 2 NHS health care workers on wards or in the community are paid £12.08 per hour, about 60p above minimum wage, as a comparison LIDL pay their staff £12.40 per hour. |
Band 2 are on £13 per hour, but soon to rise as their union campaign to get parity with England and to be band 3 has been approved by the govt. Those in the private sector are out of the control of the govt and down to thert particular companies | | | |
| Public sector pay on 14:18 - Dec 18 with 361 views | controversial_jack |
It depends too on night work, weekend work etc, but it's above minimum wage.
It's going up to £13,31 per hour and a band 3 which is parity with England | | | |
| Public sector pay on 14:19 - Dec 18 with 356 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 14:18 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack |
It depends too on night work, weekend work etc, but it's above minimum wage.
It's going up to £13,31 per hour and a band 3 which is parity with England |
I appreciate there’ll be a shift premium, but I’m just looking at the basic pay. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:09 - Dec 18 with 289 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 14:18 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack |
It depends too on night work, weekend work etc, but it's above minimum wage.
It's going up to £13,31 per hour and a band 3 which is parity with England |
A band 2 is on 23,970 basic for a 37 hour week. Above minimum wage yes but fair? Not in my book.
Meanwhile at Manc Citeh they pay several players 375k per week before bonuses so one player gets enough in a week to pay over 15 NHS carers for a whole year.
Excuse me for calling it unfair, absurd and idiotic. When certain people are in need of care, when they can't wipe their own arses or dress themselves then lets see what they think. Not that our politicians will be worried, they'll have plenty of money for personal care salted away. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:48 - Dec 18 with 246 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 14:19 - Dec 18 by majorraglan |
I appreciate there’ll be a shift premium, but I’m just looking at the basic pay. |
The basic rate will be £13.11 per hour. Not great for what they do, but an improvement | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:53 - Dec 18 with 239 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 11:48 - Dec 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Unfortunately the unions don't want 7 day rotas. They are more than happy to claim inflated overtime rates for working weekends.
More people already work in the Nationalised sector of the Rail work , 40,000 in network rail alone, the private train companies.
Subsidies are far less than now than before privatisation due ti the success of the private Rail companies in doubling passenger numbers compared with nationaliSed British Rail.
Subsidies peaked after Network Rail was nationalised and have reduced significantly in recent years with most of the Subsidies being paid to nationalised network Rail. |
But in many cases union members aren’t happy to work overtime on their days off henc3 the reason there are so many cancellations on Sundays. New drivers at GWR have been on different contracts since 2018, but it’s going to take a long time for all the drivers to be on a 7 day rota. It’s a mess as the below article identifies. I don’t blame train drivers or getting the best deal that they can and for refusing to work their days off if it doesn’t suit them, nor do I blame the Unions for looking after their members interests because that’s exactly what they are supposed to do. What we need is some joined up thinking, do working and a long term strategy to sort out the railways once and for all.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/uk-railways-sunday-overtime | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:47 - Dec 19 with 96 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 16:53 - Dec 18 by majorraglan |
But in many cases union members aren’t happy to work overtime on their days off henc3 the reason there are so many cancellations on Sundays. New drivers at GWR have been on different contracts since 2018, but it’s going to take a long time for all the drivers to be on a 7 day rota. It’s a mess as the below article identifies. I don’t blame train drivers or getting the best deal that they can and for refusing to work their days off if it doesn’t suit them, nor do I blame the Unions for looking after their members interests because that’s exactly what they are supposed to do. What we need is some joined up thinking, do working and a long term strategy to sort out the railways once and for all.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/uk-railways-sunday-overtime |
They should all be on the same contracts really, but that's not easy to negotiate if you are already on good ones | | | |
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