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The worst UK city for growth? 04:18 - Dec 1 with 1790 viewsAnotherJohn

MSN is featuring a story, recycled from September, about PWC's survey of the best and worst UK cities that I’d missed before. I looked down the best cities list expecting Swansea to be in the top 10, but to my horror we feature as number 1 on the worst cities list.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/the-20-best-and-worst-cities-to-live-in-th

https://www.pwc.co.uk/government-public-sector/good-growth/assets/pdf/good-growt (full report)

The exercise is based on an index developed for PWC’s Framework for Growth research, and our problems seem to include the winding down of traditional industries, the need for city regeneration, serious economic disparities, and lack of affordable housing. Apart from the major impact of the blast furnace closure at Port Talbot, I don’t really recognise the picture, but perhaps I have been misled by the refurbishment of important city buildings and our geographical advantages. Are we really the worst UK city for growth? Apologies if this is old news for some.
[Post edited 1 Dec 12:31]
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The worst UK city for growth? on 13:54 - Dec 2 with 582 viewspencoedjack

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:49 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack

If the Westmonster govt had not stolen HS2 money from Wales then we might have better transportation links. Just a thought …..


As I said, only a deluded fool would think differently.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 14:00 - Dec 2 with 570 viewslifelong

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:54 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack

As I said, only a deluded fool would think differently.


Your insults don’t bother me sunshine.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 14:11 - Dec 2 with 554 viewsonehunglow

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:54 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack

As I said, only a deluded fool would think differently.


It doesn’t make it easier ,that is for sure .

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The worst UK city for growth? on 14:25 - Dec 2 with 544 viewslifelong

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:45 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack

& how about growth for Swansea & South Wales in general regarding all the other points, or are you harping back to the 20 mph thing again?


You started it.👍
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The worst UK city for growth? on 14:40 - Dec 2 with 524 viewsWhiterockin

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:49 - Dec 2 by Kilkennyjack

If the Westmonster govt had not stolen HS2 money from Wales then we might have better transportation links. Just a thought …..


Didn't Westminster offer to pay for a Brynglas bypass.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 14:46 - Dec 2 with 519 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The worst UK city for growth? on 14:40 - Dec 2 by Whiterockin

Didn't Westminster offer to pay for a Brynglas bypass.


Yes, the Welsh Government refused the money.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:24 - Dec 2 with 460 viewsPawelAbbott

The worst UK city for growth? on 11:27 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack

Let's look at some facts.

To get to Swansea you currently have to drive 40mph across the bridge

From Magor to Tredgar Park you have a 50 mph zone, which you will be very lucky to hit.

Then from Port Talbot to Swansea, once again you are down to 50 mph.

Once in Wales, you have a ridiculous 20 mph speed limit.

& those in power then decide to put a tourism tax on top for those people who decide to come to Wales.

Anyone who thinks investment is coming to South Wales with the current transport issues is a deluded fool.


There was meant to be a new train service running from Carmarthen through to Paddington which would have reduced the travel time. Unfortunately it has been delayed by 3 years due to a lack of carriages.
If they had electrified the line, it might cut travel time to under 2 hours.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:53 - Dec 2 with 427 viewsWhiterockin

The worst UK city for growth? on 20:24 - Dec 2 by PawelAbbott

There was meant to be a new train service running from Carmarthen through to Paddington which would have reduced the travel time. Unfortunately it has been delayed by 3 years due to a lack of carriages.
If they had electrified the line, it might cut travel time to under 2 hours.


95% of the Welsh population would never use the line. The M4 is another story.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 16:42 - Dec 3 with 318 viewsBoundy

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:22 - Dec 2 by lifelong

Is that the ridiculous 20mph limit that is saving lives in Wales?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/wales-20mph-speed-limit-li


You're at risk everyday so why stop at speed limits ?

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The worst UK city for growth? on 17:08 - Dec 3 with 296 viewsWhiterockin

The worst UK city for growth? on 16:42 - Dec 3 by Boundy

You're at risk everyday so why stop at speed limits ?


Nearly 4,000 deaths a year in Wales due to smoking related illnesses.

98 deaths on Welsh roads in 2023.

One death is one to many. But think where legislation should be and money spent.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 17:57 - Dec 3 with 259 viewslifelong

The worst UK city for growth? on 16:42 - Dec 3 by Boundy

You're at risk everyday so why stop at speed limits ?


Pleased to see the deaths and serious injuries on our roads reduced then?
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The worst UK city for growth? on 18:42 - Dec 3 with 244 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The worst UK city for growth? on 13:22 - Dec 2 by lifelong

Is that the ridiculous 20mph limit that is saving lives in Wales?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/wales-20mph-speed-limit-li


The Senedd releases data only for all 20 and 30mph roads combined, hoping us sheep won't notice.

Will Hayward then bends the truth to breaking point.

Why insn't he data published for 20mph roads, roads changed to 20mph and 30mph roads separately? Because it probably does not support the narrative!

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The worst UK city for growth? on 19:59 - Dec 3 with 205 viewsBoundy

The worst UK city for growth? on 17:57 - Dec 3 by lifelong

Pleased to see the deaths and serious injuries on our roads reduced then?


Why would I think any different or are you trying to make a point , if so please don't

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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:02 - Dec 3 with 205 viewsKilkennyjack

The worst UK city for growth? on 18:42 - Dec 3 by JACKMANANDBOY

The Senedd releases data only for all 20 and 30mph roads combined, hoping us sheep won't notice.

Will Hayward then bends the truth to breaking point.

Why insn't he data published for 20mph roads, roads changed to 20mph and 30mph roads separately? Because it probably does not support the narrative!


The data is there, thats why we did it in the first place.

They are not guessing.
It saves lives.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:15 - Dec 3 with 191 viewslifelong

The worst UK city for growth? on 19:59 - Dec 3 by Boundy

Why would I think any different or are you trying to make a point , if so please don't


Not one of you anti 20mph posters have mentioned anything about the reduction in deaths and serious injuries since the new speed limit was introduced, which I find quite odd.
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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:35 - Dec 3 with 170 viewsmax936

Well they need to take a look at themselves and ask themselves why Swansea is No1 for being the worst.

The Senedd spending billions on their beloved Capital City who must have everything.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 20:42 - Dec 3 with 165 viewsmax936

The worst UK city for growth? on 08:39 - Dec 1 by Whiterockin

I believe it. For many families money is very very tight as industry is changing and better paid jobs are disappearing. Possibly some should bare this in mind when criticising supporters for not attending games. Imo the biggest drop off in attendees is families, these are the hardest hit with the drop off of well paid jobs in the area.


Whilst some are happy that dirty industries are dying and couldn't careless that families working in dirty industries have/are losing their jobs and livelihoods and possibly even their homes, with their I'm alright Jack and up yours attitudes, unbelievable!

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The worst UK city for growth? on 21:02 - Dec 3 with 135 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The worst UK city for growth? on 20:24 - Dec 2 by PawelAbbott

There was meant to be a new train service running from Carmarthen through to Paddington which would have reduced the travel time. Unfortunately it has been delayed by 3 years due to a lack of carriages.
If they had electrified the line, it might cut travel time to under 2 hours.


No way a train service could get to London in two hours. The maximum line speed in Wales is 100mph and in most parts is only 70mph.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 21:07 - Dec 3 with 128 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The worst UK city for growth? on 17:57 - Dec 3 by lifelong

Pleased to see the deaths and serious injuries on our roads reduced then?


Unfortunately road deaths rose by 10 in Wales in the last 12 months.
No actual reduction in road deaths in new 20mph areas.

70% of road deaths in Wales are on single carriageways A and B roads.

Last years road deaths were inflated by three tragic accidents involving young drivers which resulted in 12 deaths all outside 20 mph zones.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 21:10 - Dec 3 with 126 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The worst UK city for growth? on 20:02 - Dec 3 by Kilkennyjack

The data is there, thats why we did it in the first place.

They are not guessing.
It saves lives.


Only road deaths increased by 10 in Wales year all outside the 20 mph areas. No reported reduction of deaths in 20 mph . Just a few less minor collisions in these areas.

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The worst UK city for growth? on 21:28 - Dec 3 with 119 viewsBoundy

The worst UK city for growth? on 20:15 - Dec 3 by lifelong

Not one of you anti 20mph posters have mentioned anything about the reduction in deaths and serious injuries since the new speed limit was introduced, which I find quite odd.


Are you a stalker ? I hope not as the forum doesn't need one

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The worst UK city for growth? on 22:08 - Dec 3 with 74 viewslifelong

The worst UK city for growth? on 21:28 - Dec 3 by Boundy

Are you a stalker ? I hope not as the forum doesn't need one


‘Stalker’? what a strange remark… care to expand?
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The worst UK city for growth? on 23:01 - Dec 3 with 45 viewsmax936

The worst UK city for growth? on 11:27 - Dec 2 by pencoedjack

Let's look at some facts.

To get to Swansea you currently have to drive 40mph across the bridge

From Magor to Tredgar Park you have a 50 mph zone, which you will be very lucky to hit.

Then from Port Talbot to Swansea, once again you are down to 50 mph.

Once in Wales, you have a ridiculous 20 mph speed limit.

& those in power then decide to put a tourism tax on top for those people who decide to come to Wales.

Anyone who thinks investment is coming to South Wales with the current transport issues is a deluded fool.


Deluded fool bit apart, I agree 100%

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The worst UK city for growth? on 23:07 - Dec 3 with 32 viewsmax936

The worst UK city for growth? on 09:34 - Dec 2 by lifelong

I stood on the North Bank in 1973 when we played Northampton, the attendance was 1,300.
The average home attendance for the 1974/75 season was a shade over 2000.
Those figures are what you call disappointing…innit.


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The worst UK city for growth? on 23:08 - Dec 3 with 29 viewsmax936

The worst UK city for growth? on 14:46 - Dec 2 by JACKMANANDBOY

Yes, the Welsh Government refused the money.


Drakeford that was the absolute buffoon.

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