| A conversation with Lee Hoos 07:54 - Nov 28 with 9655 views | andrew1302 |
I had the opportunity this week of a discussion with Lee Hoos prior to the Cardiff game who I have to say was very open and as a person very impressive. I have no doubt he has the club’s best interests at heart. My conversation was respectful but also quite direct. I said that the fans were still in support of Marti but felt that Nourry had not done well on recruitment and if there was a lamb for the slaughter the general feeling around me in the Upper Loft was it had to be him with maybe Belk to follow. I was also scathing about Celar but at the same time concerned for his welfare. It can’t be easy having 10000 plus people giving you a hard time. This was before his tremendous evening!
Firstly Marti was a part of the recruitment process , nothing was thrust on him with regard to the first team. He was not however involved in the recruitment of development players . Having said that Marti has liked the look of Morgan and Bennie and has upgraded them. Lee also pointed out that Nourry was heavily involved in the January signings which made a significant positive impact.
With regard to Celar he apparently is really good in training but his confidence is very low. Lees view was that as a crowd we should try to help him rather than chastise him. He appreciated this can be difficult but he could not emphasise enough the effect the crowd has on moral. I have been guilty of the being exasperated with a couple of players - Celar, Madson and Anderson especially!- but I hear that they are trying their best and cheer rather than a jeer may be of greater help.
Lee was open to a suggestion that someone , maybe Paul Morrisey should provide an update as to the process and where we sit as a club at the moment. If he can do this I think it would be very helpful.
Overall I have to say a lot of my faith was restored [ doesn’t mean we are not on trouble but I do believe people care a lot] and Lee really could not of been nicer or more willing. It will certainly be helpful if Paul can provide a statement and let us hope this happens. I guess despite perhaps thinking otherwise my impression is that everyone is pulling together and it is not an us or them. Regardless of what happens it was important to me to have a true sense that people cared. Also that Marti did not have players imposed on him was good to know.
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 08:25 - Nov 28 with 5070 views | Rodney |
That's an interesting and helpful insight. Thank you for posting. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 08:31 - Nov 28 with 5018 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks for posting, Andrew. Sincerely.
But after the last few months of nonsense coming from the club, I will be remaining incredibly sceptical about anything they have to say until they earn back some credibility. |  |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 08:43 - Nov 28 with 4913 views | paulhoop2 |
If all this is true then what is concerning is that morrisey seems to be working independently. Hoos should direct him to make a statement end of | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 08:43 - Nov 28 with 4906 views | mart_Goblin |
What did he say about you giving out his email address to a fan site message board?
“My suggestion , which is very simple, is everyone who wants sends an email to Lee Hoos <lee.hoos@qpr.co.uk> simply telling him that Nourry should go. If people pass it to other boards and one gets a large number of people writing in , at least the club will know the supporters view. Despite what people say large numbers of opinions do have an effect.Plus if Hoos gets a thousand emails he will know as his computer will be filled with the opinion” |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 08:55 - Nov 28 with 4776 views | GaryHaddock |
Hoos is just another example of someone with a exemplary record coming to QPR and getting it pulverised.
Can’t say I’ve agreed with everything he’s done but I’ve always admired they way he walks around LR on a match day during bad patches when it would be easier to hide in the boardroom.
The video of that kid getting a rise out of him last season always made me feel uncomfortable. [Post edited 28 Nov 8:57]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:02 - Nov 28 with 4692 views | andrew1302 |
Mart he was relaxed about it. He understood all the frustration [ he was pretty frustrated himself!] but emphasised that one way out of it was for the crowd to help players whose form has dropped. I am as guilty as anybody for being cross with players but i think the reaction of the players last night to when Celar scored reminded me of the human element here and going forward i will try to be a little less harsh and a bit more supportive. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:02 - Nov 28 with 4682 views | francisbowles |
I'm expecting SE along any moment now to give us all his opinion of Lee Hoos.😣 [Post edited 28 Nov 9:41]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:21 - Nov 28 with 4507 views | mart_Goblin |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:02 - Nov 28 by andrew1302 |
Mart he was relaxed about it. He understood all the frustration [ he was pretty frustrated himself!] but emphasised that one way out of it was for the crowd to help players whose form has dropped. I am as guilty as anybody for being cross with players but i think the reaction of the players last night to when Celar scored reminded me of the human element here and going forward i will try to be a little less harsh and a bit more supportive. |
Hmmm…ok. Perhaps I’ve been well and truly Loftforworded… | | | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:29 - Nov 28 with 4424 views | stevec |
Marti involved in first team recruitment shocker.
Thanks for letting us in on your conversation with Lee Hoos, hopefully we’ll accept now that all that’s wrong with this team doesn’t just fall on one man. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:37 - Nov 28 with 4379 views | Faurlinho |
Great work. Thank you. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:39 - Nov 28 with 4360 views | londonscottish |
Good to hear.
And, to boil it down to its essentials, Clive's been pointing out that Nourry needs to communicate more because if he doesn't supply a narrative we'll make one up and assume the worst.
Human nature. |  |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:22 - Nov 28 with 4068 views | stainrods_elbow |
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, Francis Bowles  , though, believe it or not, there are a lot more important things in my life these days than revisiting my transient spleen about our finger-popping former Chief Executive! If he's coming across positively to one or two in the swim of things, I'm glad for him and them, and maybe I'm wrong about absolutely everything.
Yes, Hoos and the board will obviously act immediately on 1,000 emails of varying degrees of literacy/sanity urging personnel changes tout de suite! Christ, I got pelters on here, rather than support, from the usual suspects from sending a reasoned one to him a few moons back about some burning topic I've now forgotten about! It's hard to take it all seriously - even though I do, perversely. (As Kafka so wonderfully put it, football is the most important of the less important things.)
Accountability is a collective thing, and, as a glorified accountant, Hoos and his colleagues should understand that better than most. I think a lot of the hysteria around Nourry et al is basically a by-product of the miasma in the owners'/board's lamentable communication, spiced with wounded amour propre re Marti's disinterest in granting the likes of a fanboard like this an interview once in a while, so perhaps PM can build a bridge and the club can buck the trend and start treating the fans like invested adults.
All that said, we start climbing the table, the likes of Celar and Madsen continue to improve, and a lot of it disappears like yesterday's fish and chip paper! [Post edited 28 Nov 16:42]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:29 - Nov 28 with 4073 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it.
Even in a scenario where Marti signed off on every single one of the players brought in, it doesn't mean - for example - that he wasn't begging for another striker or a right back or a more combative midfielder or Isaac Hayden.
I've no doubt Marti sees benefit in all the players we've signed but from his interviews, his body language and based on what any one of us can conclude by looking at the squad list, I've also no doubt he's been left more than a tad frustrated by the squad he's been given. As well as the fact so many of his first team are unavailable and the guy held to account for their availability being on a different continent so he can earn multiple wages.
We'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't as it belongs behind closed doors. Ultimately there's no way Nourry, Hoos or Marti himself will ever tell us what went on behind those closed doors with recruitment whilst they're still employed by the club. I'm pretty certain there were a lot of disagreements though and it was probably Marti's nose left out of joint rather than Belk or Nourry's. |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:43 - Nov 28 with 3908 views | stainrods_elbow |
Since when does any manager get everything he wants (or necessarily should)? The financial restrictions etc. the club has been have been exhaustively (and exhaustingly) rehearsed on this very board for one thing - frequently by the same people who argue for a collective approach to recruitment. Do you want Marti to be like Brian Clough at Derby - buying players over the heads of the Baord? Won't/can't happen in 2024, however romantic and maverick it was.
As I've already posted, Marti already told the South London Press and Mercury at the end of August he felt we had an 'almost perfect' recruitment over the summer and was 'convinced' we had signed some good players, so it would be extremely odd if he'd now suspiciously changed his mind in a way that couldn't possibly have something to do with his coaching then to bottom (now first from bottom in the table).
For those like Padula's Shampoo who apparently still haven't read/digested it, here it is in black and white from the horse's mouth:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/im-very-stubborn-marti-cifuentes-provides-a
A bit unfortunate for the black and white thinkers about Nourry as devli's spawn and Marti as benighted messiah, but, just for once, don't shoot the messenger! Sometimes it's good to let the facts get in the way of - or at least curdle/complicate - a good story/fan meltdown. (Apologies to the usual suspects who need to think of me through mythic (or myth-thick) lenses) as some kind of contorted contrarian!) [Post edited 28 Nov 16:43]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:47 - Nov 28 with 3943 views | daveB |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:43 - Nov 28 by stainrods_elbow |
Since when does any manager get everything he wants (or necessarily should)? The financial restrictions etc. the club has been have been exhaustively (and exhaustingly) rehearsed on this very board for one thing - frequently by the same people who argue for a collective approach to recruitment. Do you want Marti to be like Brian Clough at Derby - buying players over the heads of the Baord? Won't/can't happen in 2024, however romantic and maverick it was.
As I've already posted, Marti already told the South London Press and Mercury at the end of August he felt we had an 'almost perfect' recruitment over the summer and was 'convinced' we had signed some good players, so it would be extremely odd if he'd now suspiciously changed his mind in a way that couldn't possibly have something to do with his coaching then to bottom (now first from bottom in the table).
For those like Padula's Shampoo who apparently still haven't read/digested it, here it is in black and white from the horse's mouth:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/im-very-stubborn-marti-cifuentes-provides-a
A bit unfortunate for the black and white thinkers about Nourry as devli's spawn and Marti as benighted messiah, but, just for once, don't shoot the messenger! Sometimes it's good to let the facts get in the way of - or at least curdle/complicate - a good story/fan meltdown. (Apologies to the usual suspects who need to think of me through mythic (or myth-thick) lenses) as some kind of contorted contrarian!) [Post edited 28 Nov 16:43]
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I hate to break it to you but managers sometimes lie about these things to try and spin a positive narrative
His team selection and reactions to al lot of those signings during games paints a different picture |  | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:51 - Nov 28 with 3832 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:47 - Nov 28 by daveB |
I hate to break it to you but managers sometimes lie about these things to try and spin a positive narrative
His team selection and reactions to al lot of those signings during games paints a different picture |
Christ alive, stop wriggling on your silly pin (laced with patronising/smug cliche) and take a clearly supported point! So now you need to cast Marti as a liar to save your simple-minded (and entirely speculative) contrarian/perverse thesis about his relentless dissatisfaction? Embarrassing! [Post edited 28 Nov 10:52]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:53 - Nov 28 with 3877 views | Hunterhoop |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:29 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it.
Even in a scenario where Marti signed off on every single one of the players brought in, it doesn't mean - for example - that he wasn't begging for another striker or a right back or a more combative midfielder or Isaac Hayden.
I've no doubt Marti sees benefit in all the players we've signed but from his interviews, his body language and based on what any one of us can conclude by looking at the squad list, I've also no doubt he's been left more than a tad frustrated by the squad he's been given. As well as the fact so many of his first team are unavailable and the guy held to account for their availability being on a different continent so he can earn multiple wages.
We'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't as it belongs behind closed doors. Ultimately there's no way Nourry, Hoos or Marti himself will ever tell us what went on behind those closed doors with recruitment whilst they're still employed by the club. I'm pretty certain there were a lot of disagreements though and it was probably Marti's nose left out of joint rather than Belk or Nourry's. |
Quite. Good post. [Post edited 28 Nov 10:54]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:59 - Nov 28 with 3773 views | stainrods_elbow |
No, it isn't - it's misinformed, occultising nonsense! [Post edited 28 Nov 10:59]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:04 - Nov 28 with 3785 views | NorthLondonR |
Thanks for that.
I don't suppose he told you where you could pick up a temu coupon code? [Post edited 28 Nov 11:05]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:04 - Nov 28 with 3783 views | NorthLondonR |
Thanks for that.
I don't suppose he told you where you could pick up a temu coupon code? [Post edited 28 Nov 11:04]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:06 - Nov 28 with 3748 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:29 - Nov 28 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it.
Even in a scenario where Marti signed off on every single one of the players brought in, it doesn't mean - for example - that he wasn't begging for another striker or a right back or a more combative midfielder or Isaac Hayden.
I've no doubt Marti sees benefit in all the players we've signed but from his interviews, his body language and based on what any one of us can conclude by looking at the squad list, I've also no doubt he's been left more than a tad frustrated by the squad he's been given. As well as the fact so many of his first team are unavailable and the guy held to account for their availability being on a different continent so he can earn multiple wages.
We'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't as it belongs behind closed doors. Ultimately there's no way Nourry, Hoos or Marti himself will ever tell us what went on behind those closed doors with recruitment whilst they're still employed by the club. I'm pretty certain there were a lot of disagreements though and it was probably Marti's nose left out of joint rather than Belk or Nourry's. |
"I don't doubt anything written here and thanks for posting but I would point out there is a whole league of nuance between Marti being involved with the recruitment process and him being happy - or even not livid with it."
A world of difference, and "a league of nuance" sounds right. Also, as you rightly say - "we'll never know the truth and to an extent we shouldn't." | |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:09 - Nov 28 with 3706 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
I just accidentally read this thread logged out so saw some aggressive toxicity that I've used the ignore function to try to avoid. I'm not going to be drawn into reacting and turn another thread into a slanging match.
Great win last night. I feel happy today. | | | |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:10 - Nov 28 with 3642 views | stainrods_elbow |
I guess I'm quaintly old-fashioned in (i) wanting my club to be (more) transparent rather than pleading for our CEO to go on behaving like an ink-spurting squid and (ii) arguing with journalistic evidence/common sense rather than indulging in mystifying speculation. Presumably, then, you two are delighted with the club's current comms strategy? [Post edited 28 Nov 16:43]
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:14 - Nov 28 with 3589 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 09:29 - Nov 28 by stevec |
Marti involved in first team recruitment shocker.
Thanks for letting us in on your conversation with Lee Hoos, hopefully we’ll accept now that all that’s wrong with this team doesn’t just fall on one man. |
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| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 11:16 - Nov 28 with 3609 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A conversation with Lee Hoos on 10:51 - Nov 28 by stainrods_elbow |
Christ alive, stop wriggling on your silly pin (laced with patronising/smug cliche) and take a clearly supported point! So now you need to cast Marti as a liar to save your simple-minded (and entirely speculative) contrarian/perverse thesis about his relentless dissatisfaction? Embarrassing! [Post edited 28 Nov 10:52]
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Tell me something - why can't you just debate like a grown up? Why do you have to be rude all the time? You've been on here long enough to know that DaveB is not patronising, smug or in any way deserving of your vitriol?
Happy to debate all the time, but insults are so juvenile, however many long and clever words you try and put in them. |  | | |
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