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Swansea City hit five games without a goal this afternoon. Despite a plethora of chances they failed miserably in front of goal, Myles Peart-Harris and Florian Bianchini the main offenders. Lukas Jensen was the Millwall star player in goal, testament to not only how poor the Swans were but how Millwall clung on and won the game. 0




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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 07:46 - Oct 27 with 885 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 07:35 - Oct 27 by PawelAbbott

Having only 2 strikers has to be his fault to some extent.
We spent £4M on two strikers in 2023, now both of those are out on loan. They were both sent out before we brought in Vipotnik on a free. Arguably, neither if them coukd be doing any worse.
If he has no say in these decisions then it would make his position untenable.
As a football manager, one good season can set you up for life.
A bad season and you may never be heard from again.
If Williams has so little say that they ship out all of his strikers against his wishes, then he'd have been better off walking away


If we put aside the fact that Cullen has as many goals as those two combined this season, you can’t seriously think he decided to loan them both out and only replace them with Vipotnik?

I don’t know what conversations were had or who has the final say, but it’s very plausible he’s been asked and said neither really fit in with the plans and he’s happy to loan them out and replace with players that do. I can see him being happy to lose them but no way he’s happy about not replacing them. I can guarantee you no championship manager wants to start a season with two strikers, one of whom is very raw and the other is probably as good as he’s going to get and wouldn’t get in many other teams.

He barely hid the fact that he wanted Langstsaff in the summer, ok he hasn’t been great either, but no one is seriously thinking this is the strike force he wanted.

Managers walking because they’ve been let down in transfer windows is very rare. Cooper did it. I can’t think of anyone else doing it here.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:01 - Oct 27 with 858 viewsPawelAbbott

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 07:46 - Oct 27 by jack247

If we put aside the fact that Cullen has as many goals as those two combined this season, you can’t seriously think he decided to loan them both out and only replace them with Vipotnik?

I don’t know what conversations were had or who has the final say, but it’s very plausible he’s been asked and said neither really fit in with the plans and he’s happy to loan them out and replace with players that do. I can see him being happy to lose them but no way he’s happy about not replacing them. I can guarantee you no championship manager wants to start a season with two strikers, one of whom is very raw and the other is probably as good as he’s going to get and wouldn’t get in many other teams.

He barely hid the fact that he wanted Langstsaff in the summer, ok he hasn’t been great either, but no one is seriously thinking this is the strike force he wanted.

Managers walking because they’ve been let down in transfer windows is very rare. Cooper did it. I can’t think of anyone else doing it here.


I don't imagine this is the squad that he wanted by wouldn't he want to see what he is going to have before allowing them both to leave.
The two of them freed up space in the budget for what? Bianchinni and Vipotnik.
£2M on a player who had been in the French 3rd tier and scored 5 all season.
Someone at the club recruitment is seriously failing in their duties. I just can't see that Williams has no involvement in it at all
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:09 - Oct 27 with 843 viewsDr_Winston

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:01 - Oct 27 by PawelAbbott

I don't imagine this is the squad that he wanted by wouldn't he want to see what he is going to have before allowing them both to leave.
The two of them freed up space in the budget for what? Bianchinni and Vipotnik.
£2M on a player who had been in the French 3rd tier and scored 5 all season.
Someone at the club recruitment is seriously failing in their duties. I just can't see that Williams has no involvement in it at all


You're right of course. Williams has significant responsibility. Claiming that he largely doesn't is an agenda all its own.

The point previously made, and thus far completely unrebuffed, is that none of the strikers we have or had dictate the style or pace of our play. Wiliams does. Nobody else. If we were trying to move the ball quickly with intent and falling short in the final third, then the argument that it's all down to the forwards would have merit.

That's not what's happening though. From 2-11 the team is underperforming and playing like they have lead lined boots. Frightened to take risks, frightened to carry the ball into space, frightened to make runs and frightened to actually play a pass that players can get onto.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:09 - Oct 27 with 843 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:01 - Oct 27 by PawelAbbott

I don't imagine this is the squad that he wanted by wouldn't he want to see what he is going to have before allowing them both to leave.
The two of them freed up space in the budget for what? Bianchinni and Vipotnik.
£2M on a player who had been in the French 3rd tier and scored 5 all season.
Someone at the club recruitment is seriously failing in their duties. I just can't see that Williams has no involvement in it at all


I don’t imagine he does either. I’m sure he tells them the type of player he wants at the very least, he may give a list of names, I don’t know.

He came in around New Year last season and we signed Ronald and Placheta in January. To me, he may not have identified the players, but it certainly looks like he’s asked for pace and width. We didn’t have that type of player under Duff or Sheehan.

He doesn’t sign off on the contracts and it looks to me like those two have gone on loan and we’ve then failed to agree terms with replacements. It happened to Potter, Cooper and Martin. They’ve got form.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:10 - Oct 27 with 838 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:01 - Oct 27 by PawelAbbott

I don't imagine this is the squad that he wanted by wouldn't he want to see what he is going to have before allowing them both to leave.
The two of them freed up space in the budget for what? Bianchinni and Vipotnik.
£2M on a player who had been in the French 3rd tier and scored 5 all season.
Someone at the club recruitment is seriously failing in their duties. I just can't see that Williams has no involvement in it at all


Has he no pride and simply accepts what he is given.
That said,Vip would get goals if given a decent chance .
Cullen is now back to default, a lucky local lad who got a professional football job.
An international for Wales simply shows how low the bar is in welsh football .
We know what the problem is
It is achingly obvious
Watching grimes is like watching Strictly only the military two step isn’t very attractive

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:17 - Oct 27 with 826 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:09 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston

You're right of course. Williams has significant responsibility. Claiming that he largely doesn't is an agenda all its own.

The point previously made, and thus far completely unrebuffed, is that none of the strikers we have or had dictate the style or pace of our play. Wiliams does. Nobody else. If we were trying to move the ball quickly with intent and falling short in the final third, then the argument that it's all down to the forwards would have merit.

That's not what's happening though. From 2-11 the team is underperforming and playing like they have lead lined boots. Frightened to take risks, frightened to carry the ball into space, frightened to make runs and frightened to actually play a pass that players can get onto.


That argument isn’t being made.

Nobody is saying it’s all down to Vipotnik and Cullen or that they wouldn’t have a better chance if were creating more opportunities for them.

I don’t think anybody is saying Williams is absolved of responsibility because of the mess of a squad he’s been left with. He’s still got to make the best with what he’s got and he’s not doing that. Certainly not attacking wise. No goals in five games is pathetic.

It is reasonable to say though, that the owners have tied a have behind his back, as they have done before. It’s also reasonable to say that Vipotnik needs to involve himself more and he’ll get more chances. Cullen does, but he’s probably hit his ceiling or close to it and is never going to be prolific.

Not everything is down to Grimes and Williams. Fair comment?
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:35 - Oct 27 with 810 viewsDr_Winston

People keep saying that his hands have been tied behind his back like "they have before". I am tired of hearing about how hard done by Cooper and Martin were. It's nonsense.

Cooper had a playoff capable squad. We know this because they made the playoffs twice. Dull, but effective. Martin had a playoff capable squad. Arguably a better one in a number of ways than Coopers. We know this because it showed playoff capable form and performances whenever he cut his nonsense out. For four years we had managers who had everything they needed to mount promotion campaigns, and both failed. Although one failed more significantly than the other.

Now we come to Williams. It's a weird state of affairs when a club willingly moves on maybe £4m worth of recently acquired forwards at a managers request, players who could have done a job for us, and then the claim is made that that manager hasn't been supported.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand where this faith in LW comes from. He's achieved the square root of nothing in League Football. He's done precious little in the near year he's been here to suggest that he's capable of getting a tune out of the players he has, never mind others that we might bring in for him. Indeed, many have gotten worse.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:52 - Oct 27 with 789 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:35 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston

People keep saying that his hands have been tied behind his back like "they have before". I am tired of hearing about how hard done by Cooper and Martin were. It's nonsense.

Cooper had a playoff capable squad. We know this because they made the playoffs twice. Dull, but effective. Martin had a playoff capable squad. Arguably a better one in a number of ways than Coopers. We know this because it showed playoff capable form and performances whenever he cut his nonsense out. For four years we had managers who had everything they needed to mount promotion campaigns, and both failed. Although one failed more significantly than the other.

Now we come to Williams. It's a weird state of affairs when a club willingly moves on maybe £4m worth of recently acquired forwards at a managers request, players who could have done a job for us, and then the claim is made that that manager hasn't been supported.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand where this faith in LW comes from. He's achieved the square root of nothing in League Football. He's done precious little in the near year he's been here to suggest that he's capable of getting a tune out of the players he has, never mind others that we might bring in for him. Indeed, many have gotten worse.


Even with the downgrades we have moved in,we are capable of doing better .
Williams is holding us back
He is strangling players
He is indulging Grimes in grotesque fashion . I thought Francos display yesterday was incredible really . He has real balls . He shames his teammates .He deserves better than to be subbed every game .
I can’t believe what I’m reading about Williams . He is honest though and he looks what he is . Lost .
I thought the crowd was very good yesterday and clearly behind the team but to lose like that is gutting . It feels lousy .

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:59 - Oct 27 with 763 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:35 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston

People keep saying that his hands have been tied behind his back like "they have before". I am tired of hearing about how hard done by Cooper and Martin were. It's nonsense.

Cooper had a playoff capable squad. We know this because they made the playoffs twice. Dull, but effective. Martin had a playoff capable squad. Arguably a better one in a number of ways than Coopers. We know this because it showed playoff capable form and performances whenever he cut his nonsense out. For four years we had managers who had everything they needed to mount promotion campaigns, and both failed. Although one failed more significantly than the other.

Now we come to Williams. It's a weird state of affairs when a club willingly moves on maybe £4m worth of recently acquired forwards at a managers request, players who could have done a job for us, and then the claim is made that that manager hasn't been supported.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand where this faith in LW comes from. He's achieved the square root of nothing in League Football. He's done precious little in the near year he's been here to suggest that he's capable of getting a tune out of the players he has, never mind others that we might bring in for him. Indeed, many have gotten worse.


Whether you’re fed up of it or not is irrelevant. It’s not nonsense, it’s what happened.

Cooper would have had a top two capable squad had he got the striker he was begging for in the January. Instead he got the two Americans, one of whom got injured very early on and the other didn’t really trouble the squad.

Martin was practically crying for us to sign Matt O’Riley when he was affordable.Whether we’d have done any better with those players is up for debate.

Not to get into a debate about those two as managers, I was glad when both left. ‘Everything they needed to mount promotion campaigns’ is a huge overstatement.

As for Williams - absolutely he’s done nothing in league football. We can never afford the managers we want because our owners pay peanuts. Managers are no different to players in that regard. Clubs preferred choice was Chris Davies but they butchered that twice.

We haven’t let go of £4m worth of strikers either. We spent £4m on duds. It’s up there with saying Baston and Clucas were worth £15m each. What do you think we’d get for them now?

Had he known we would only be signing Vipotnik, who is still a long way off a championship player, I’m not sure he’d have been so keen to move Yates on
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:01 - Oct 27 with 760 viewsPawelAbbott

Williams looks completely lost.
Yesterday we started with 2 strikers, a right winger and an attacking midfielder on the left wing.
We ended with 2 wingers and 2 CAM and no striker when we were 0-0 at home and then ended up losing.
We have pace out wide but neither pace nor physicality in the middle. Neither winger is great in front of goal either.
It looks like a team made up from a bunch of different ideas none of which work together
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:05 - Oct 27 with 748 viewsKeithHaynes

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:35 - Oct 27 by Dr_Winston

People keep saying that his hands have been tied behind his back like "they have before". I am tired of hearing about how hard done by Cooper and Martin were. It's nonsense.

Cooper had a playoff capable squad. We know this because they made the playoffs twice. Dull, but effective. Martin had a playoff capable squad. Arguably a better one in a number of ways than Coopers. We know this because it showed playoff capable form and performances whenever he cut his nonsense out. For four years we had managers who had everything they needed to mount promotion campaigns, and both failed. Although one failed more significantly than the other.

Now we come to Williams. It's a weird state of affairs when a club willingly moves on maybe £4m worth of recently acquired forwards at a managers request, players who could have done a job for us, and then the claim is made that that manager hasn't been supported.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand where this faith in LW comes from. He's achieved the square root of nothing in League Football. He's done precious little in the near year he's been here to suggest that he's capable of getting a tune out of the players he has, never mind others that we might bring in for him. Indeed, many have gotten worse.


Moving the forwards out on loan was a part of the funding to enable the likes of Franco and Eom to be signed. Great signings too. Plus to aid the reduction in debt for the P&S returns for 2026. Add that to the Nathan Wood money and numerous salaries saved and that’s basically the summer budget.

Simple I know. But it’s a reflection of running a football club and its player budget in basic terms.

I think there are many managers out there who could do a better job, but we just can’t afford to get rid of Luke and his staff. Then spend a load of time chasing shadows before settling on the worst option because of their lack financial resource.

I’m unsure how anyone can judge the loan players leaving as that was a financial decision, we’ve done a few pieces on the money saved. It is quite considerable to get in players on half the salaries of the past few years. I see that as good business by the club, and I’m unsure if Williams was that involved in such decision making.

Regardless of what anyone states Paul Watson and Brett Cravatt were the main sources of bringing in players along with Martin Hodge. My belief, and it is of many people who look into these things is then Williams was given the information for him to do his bit and talk with the players as he often does.

There’s no way Williams knew of any of the players we have signed initially.

He was just fed the info when the transfers got to a certain point.

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:53 - Oct 27 with 693 viewsPawelAbbott

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:05 - Oct 27 by KeithHaynes

Moving the forwards out on loan was a part of the funding to enable the likes of Franco and Eom to be signed. Great signings too. Plus to aid the reduction in debt for the P&S returns for 2026. Add that to the Nathan Wood money and numerous salaries saved and that’s basically the summer budget.

Simple I know. But it’s a reflection of running a football club and its player budget in basic terms.

I think there are many managers out there who could do a better job, but we just can’t afford to get rid of Luke and his staff. Then spend a load of time chasing shadows before settling on the worst option because of their lack financial resource.

I’m unsure how anyone can judge the loan players leaving as that was a financial decision, we’ve done a few pieces on the money saved. It is quite considerable to get in players on half the salaries of the past few years. I see that as good business by the club, and I’m unsure if Williams was that involved in such decision making.

Regardless of what anyone states Paul Watson and Brett Cravatt were the main sources of bringing in players along with Martin Hodge. My belief, and it is of many people who look into these things is then Williams was given the information for him to do his bit and talk with the players as he often does.

There’s no way Williams knew of any of the players we have signed initially.

He was just fed the info when the transfers got to a certain point.


We moved out the 2 strikers to make way for signings. Then didn't buy a striker. We bought Eom and Franco, who have been good. Plus, reportedly a lot of money for Bianchinni a 3rd tier French winger.
If the clear out was to balance the books, then why take a big risk on a player in a position that has already been strengthened
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 14:59 - Oct 27 with 632 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:53 - Oct 27 by PawelAbbott

We moved out the 2 strikers to make way for signings. Then didn't buy a striker. We bought Eom and Franco, who have been good. Plus, reportedly a lot of money for Bianchinni a 3rd tier French winger.
If the clear out was to balance the books, then why take a big risk on a player in a position that has already been strengthened


It beggars belief.

The signings that came in, in fairness were good. Franco, Eom and Vigaroux all look excellent. Jury is out on Vipotnik and Bianchini. They may come good with time.

Fact remains the club have expected Williams to go until January at least with just Cullen and Vipotnik up front. That’s bordering on negligence.

Going five games without scoring is still a massive letdown and Williams in no way escapes criticism for it, but I’m not at all surprised we’ve scored less goals than anyone else so far this season. I’d have expected it.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:50 - Oct 28 with 501 viewsshandyjack

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 14:59 - Oct 27 by jack247

It beggars belief.

The signings that came in, in fairness were good. Franco, Eom and Vigaroux all look excellent. Jury is out on Vipotnik and Bianchini. They may come good with time.

Fact remains the club have expected Williams to go until January at least with just Cullen and Vipotnik up front. That’s bordering on negligence.

Going five games without scoring is still a massive letdown and Williams in no way escapes criticism for it, but I’m not at all surprised we’ve scored less goals than anyone else so far this season. I’d have expected it.


But he hasn't just got Viptnik and Cullen. He has an U21 CF who is scoring goals for fun but is refusing to use him.
Not many clubs who play 1 up top will have 3/4 senior players for that position. Teams at our level rely on youngsters to back fill positions. Its Williams who is refusing to use Wilson/Govea/ Glory etc

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:57 - Oct 28 with 479 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:50 - Oct 28 by shandyjack

But he hasn't just got Viptnik and Cullen. He has an U21 CF who is scoring goals for fun but is refusing to use him.
Not many clubs who play 1 up top will have 3/4 senior players for that position. Teams at our level rely on youngsters to back fill positions. Its Williams who is refusing to use Wilson/Govea/ Glory etc


I would have thought Williama would have little choice but to pick these keen youngsters.
There again, they will be worn down with his tactics ,starved of any chances and get frustrated .
We simply have to change the way we play
We have to removed the captains armband from the current incumbent
We have to build the midfield around Franco. This lad is a stand out performer for us,yet he is subbed every game . This ain’t the way to treat the best performers .
We have the players to do far better
Forget these owners . They don’t pick the team ,nor deploy tactics such that we see .
They did empty him though which was their biggest mistake . They’d probably bugger it up again if they fire hi,which they won’t .

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:58 - Oct 28 with 479 viewsFireboy2

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:50 - Oct 28 by shandyjack

But he hasn't just got Viptnik and Cullen. He has an U21 CF who is scoring goals for fun but is refusing to use him.
Not many clubs who play 1 up top will have 3/4 senior players for that position. Teams at our level rely on youngsters to back fill positions. Its Williams who is refusing to use Wilson/Govea/ Glory etc


Refusing to use them or they aren't being picked because they aren't good enough?

You would think that the dire straits we are in atm that at least one of the youngsters would be selected.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:10 - Oct 28 with 437 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:58 - Oct 28 by Fireboy2

Refusing to use them or they aren't being picked because they aren't good enough?

You would think that the dire straits we are in atm that at least one of the youngsters would be selected.


Correct
So why isn’t he asked this
Why is he allowed to get away with this

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:11 - Oct 28 with 436 viewspete

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:58 - Oct 28 by Fireboy2

Refusing to use them or they aren't being picked because they aren't good enough?

You would think that the dire straits we are in atm that at least one of the youngsters would be selected.


to be fair think 2 of the names mentioned are coming back from injury, so lets see what happens
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:38 - Oct 28 with 399 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 08:50 - Oct 28 by shandyjack

But he hasn't just got Viptnik and Cullen. He has an U21 CF who is scoring goals for fun but is refusing to use him.
Not many clubs who play 1 up top will have 3/4 senior players for that position. Teams at our level rely on youngsters to back fill positions. Its Williams who is refusing to use Wilson/Govea/ Glory etc


This is a completely fair comment and given the way Vipotnik has started, I can’t see why Wilson hasn’t had a couple of cameos off the bench at the very least.

I meant as senior players. I maintain that we’ve got the weakest strike force in the championship by far and I would think weaker than most in league one. That’s on the owners and recruitment.

None of us have seen Wilson in the first team and most of us haven’t seen him at all, so it ms very hard to judge, but I do agree that given the lack of goals in Cullen and Vipotnik, I’d definitely like to see him given a chance. That’s on Williams.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:40 - Oct 28 with 396 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:38 - Oct 28 by jack247

This is a completely fair comment and given the way Vipotnik has started, I can’t see why Wilson hasn’t had a couple of cameos off the bench at the very least.

I meant as senior players. I maintain that we’ve got the weakest strike force in the championship by far and I would think weaker than most in league one. That’s on the owners and recruitment.

None of us have seen Wilson in the first team and most of us haven’t seen him at all, so it ms very hard to judge, but I do agree that given the lack of goals in Cullen and Vipotnik, I’d definitely like to see him given a chance. That’s on Williams.


We are ,I would suggest,pretty desperate and it would be worth a gamble on them. We could see then if it really is down to Williams and his ways .

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:56 - Oct 28 with 370 viewsPawelAbbott

Isn't Kyrell Wilson a pacey striker? The way we stroll forwards might not suit him
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:02 - Oct 28 with 367 viewsWhiterockin

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:56 - Oct 28 by PawelAbbott

Isn't Kyrell Wilson a pacey striker? The way we stroll forwards might not suit him


He's not an out and out number 9 and tends to play more on the right, possibly there lies the problem.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:06 - Oct 28 with 363 viewsjack247

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 09:40 - Oct 28 by onehunglow

We are ,I would suggest,pretty desperate and it would be worth a gamble on them. We could see then if it really is down to Williams and his ways .


This is exactly where we are. Most of us want him given a chance even though hardly any of us have seen him play.

And people will tell you Williams has been adequately backed.
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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:09 - Oct 28 with 361 viewsonehunglow

Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 10:06 - Oct 28 by jack247

This is exactly where we are. Most of us want him given a chance even though hardly any of us have seen him play.

And people will tell you Williams has been adequately backed.


I agree with you
Anyway,I’m out to New Brighton this morning for coffee,croissants and a stroll on the mudflats

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Vigouroux error and again the Swans fail to score on 13:12 - Oct 28 with 291 viewsRichardO

Saturday's result was because we were desperate to win the game and over committed players making us suspectible in defence people have been saying we been good in defence I would counter that to some extend as I think the teams we have played against have been poor in their finishing and when teams set their team up to attack us, more so on the counter attack we have given away clear cut chances which Vigouroux has dug us out of a hole a number of times Saturday a better finish and all points lost
Think finding the balance of defence and attack with Grimes sitting in the middle has been a very differcult one for the mangers to get to grips with and most would say with him keeping further up the park we have looked better, we have seen when Allen and Even Naughton in the team they seem to drag him further forward.
With Franco now fast becoming the better defensive option playing and quicker and sharper allowing us to get the ball forward rather having to rely on Allen.
I thought we got the ball to Key in good positions but the choices he makes when deep in getting the ball forward quicker are questionable let the ball do the work where possible instead of running with the ball letting a team get back into their defensive shape. I really think he is one of our better players but he is not getting the ball out to Ronald quick enough to cause defenders problem making Ronald have to receive the ball and have to take the defender from a standing start.

The goal on Saturday came from a mistake, if we don't play in a fashion to cover for mistakes and having players fast enough and in position to cover in the midfield as our full backs push on wer in trouble, Grimes is not our better defensive option now that is Franco.
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