| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football 13:04 - Oct 23 with 3803 views | streetlyjack |
The 'Swansea way' seems to have evolved into a form of slow, tedious, predictable backwards and sideways football that shows no signs of improving. I'm not one for calling for the managers head and believe he does deserve more time but for heavens sake at least try to inject something different into this current system.
Every team we play know we want to dominate possession, most now just let us have the ball and sit deep looking to counter us at pace when we eventually get into the final third. Its just so predictable and means we always have to break down 11 men to score a goal - its not a mystery why we dont score many.
It grates with me when commentators refer to this as the Swansea Way, this is nothing like it. This is slow, passive, predictable and tedious at best and the best we can hope for until something changes is mid table mediocrity at the very best.
The Swansea way had a purpose, it had swagger, it had creative players who actually wanted to attack and cause problems, it had pace, it had excitement - it had all of these things whilst still maintaining the majority of possession.
The Swansea way has eroded into a form of side to side, facing your own goal, walking football. We have to try to evolve the current system & players to build a more effective game plan or we risk losing more fans to boredom.
We have a decent manager IMO and quite a few decent players but it's not producing anything other than good possession and passing stats (of which 90% go backwards or sideways).
Wouldn't it be great to see our wide players actually trying to beat a full back, a few passes over the top into space for the strikers to chase, even a few shots from outside the box - None of this seems to be programmed into the current team so they either aren't capable or the coaching team see no value in this approach?
Something needs to change or we will walk sideways and backwards towards League One with an ever shrinking fan base.
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:14 - Oct 23 with 2191 views | Dr_Winston |
We have been tedious to watch for more than five years now. For the entirely of that period almost all our play has gone through one man, someone who all our managers and a goodly number of our supporters insist is one of the best players in the division.
I have said before, and so in fairness have others, that no team built around Matt Grimes will ever consistently play fast paced attacking football. He's capable of it, but needs a boot up the arse to get him out of his comfort zone. He needs to be forced further up the pitch instead of indulged and allowed to spend most of his time hanging around with Darling and Cabango.
It's quite clear given Williams' recent comments about him that current management are happy to let him get on with it, and it's very much a factor in our current malaise. Not the only one, but certainly an important one. We have tightened up defensively at the cost of everything else. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:28]
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:49 - Oct 23 with 2134 views | RichardO |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:14 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
We have been tedious to watch for more than five years now. For the entirely of that period almost all our play has gone through one man, someone who all our managers and a goodly number of our supporters insist is one of the best players in the division.
I have said before, and so in fairness have others, that no team built around Matt Grimes will ever consistently play fast paced attacking football. He's capable of it, but needs a boot up the arse to get him out of his comfort zone. He needs to be forced further up the pitch instead of indulged and allowed to spend most of his time hanging around with Darling and Cabango.
It's quite clear given Williams' recent comments about him that current management are happy to let him get on with it, and it's very much a factor in our current malaise. Not the only one, but certainly an important one. We have tightened up defensively at the cost of everything else. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:28]
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Agree Cooper built a strong defensive set up to accommodate Grimes, Martin didn't see the problems that having Grimes in the defence midfield role and the goal count against as testimony to Martin's teams failings.
Duff, Sheehan and Williams last season had experience against better teams that I would rather forget.
Williams has tightened the defensive game and the past faillings aren't solely down to one man in a team, team selection and players availability, managers experience, styles of play are all factors but relying on Grimes as our main defensive midfielder and play maker is a part of the problem. Aged Barry Bannen had more positive influence on Wed's game than Grimes does to ours, the same positive element could be said of Allen. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 14:31 - Oct 23 with 2101 views | heatwave |
Can anyone remember when ''The Swansea Way '' was first given to our style of play and who labelled us with the name?
Was it Roberto? |  | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 14:48 - Oct 23 with 2086 views | vetchonian |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 14:31 - Oct 23 by heatwave |
Can anyone remember when ''The Swansea Way '' was first given to our style of play and who labelled us with the name?
Was it Roberto? |
"The Swansea way" referred to our whole approach both on and off then pitch then following the goal against Fulham whi h came afrer 40 or so passes the MOTD pundits drooled and this adjective was hungnon our play even thiugh it had been used previoously....to describe how we selected bought and paid players. | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 15:03 - Oct 23 with 2066 views | KeithHaynes |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 14:31 - Oct 23 by heatwave |
Can anyone remember when ''The Swansea Way '' was first given to our style of play and who labelled us with the name?
Was it Roberto? |
Could have been, but MOTD first referenced it on national TV after the destruction of Fulham away.
Allegedly. |  |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 15:26 - Oct 23 with 2034 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:14 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
We have been tedious to watch for more than five years now. For the entirely of that period almost all our play has gone through one man, someone who all our managers and a goodly number of our supporters insist is one of the best players in the division.
I have said before, and so in fairness have others, that no team built around Matt Grimes will ever consistently play fast paced attacking football. He's capable of it, but needs a boot up the arse to get him out of his comfort zone. He needs to be forced further up the pitch instead of indulged and allowed to spend most of his time hanging around with Darling and Cabango.
It's quite clear given Williams' recent comments about him that current management are happy to let him get on with it, and it's very much a factor in our current malaise. Not the only one, but certainly an important one. We have tightened up defensively at the cost of everything else. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:28]
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Potter played some lovely stuff. Fast and exciting. Interestingly he moved Grimes out of the engine room to right back. He perhaps recognized this issue and resolved it. |  |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 16:44 - Oct 23 with 1991 views | SullutaCreturned |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:14 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
We have been tedious to watch for more than five years now. For the entirely of that period almost all our play has gone through one man, someone who all our managers and a goodly number of our supporters insist is one of the best players in the division.
I have said before, and so in fairness have others, that no team built around Matt Grimes will ever consistently play fast paced attacking football. He's capable of it, but needs a boot up the arse to get him out of his comfort zone. He needs to be forced further up the pitch instead of indulged and allowed to spend most of his time hanging around with Darling and Cabango.
It's quite clear given Williams' recent comments about him that current management are happy to let him get on with it, and it's very much a factor in our current malaise. Not the only one, but certainly an important one. We have tightened up defensively at the cost of everything else. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:28]
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Yes, 5 years and more of dull predictable football. Under these owners and their choice of manager (and the following failure to live up to promises made) the Swansea way became "beep beep beep" and Swansealona became Swanseaboring. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 16:47 - Oct 23 with 1983 views | onehunglow |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 16:44 - Oct 23 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes, 5 years and more of dull predictable football. Under these owners and their choice of manager (and the following failure to live up to promises made) the Swansea way became "beep beep beep" and Swansealona became Swanseaboring. |
It is both tedious and obvious
Nobody,let’s face it,is enthused right now.
We desperately need a change
Williams walking over to the crowd last night ,I thought,was rather sad. He’s looking for some comfort for himself .
We don’t need to play as we do . | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 17:44 - Oct 23 with 1949 views | grabsplatter |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 15:26 - Oct 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Potter played some lovely stuff. Fast and exciting. Interestingly he moved Grimes out of the engine room to right back. He perhaps recognized this issue and resolved it. |
I'd agree that Potter was the last Swans manager to play entertaining football. Shame we only had him for 1 season. |  | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 19:32 - Oct 23 with 1873 views | lifelong |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 13:14 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
We have been tedious to watch for more than five years now. For the entirely of that period almost all our play has gone through one man, someone who all our managers and a goodly number of our supporters insist is one of the best players in the division.
I have said before, and so in fairness have others, that no team built around Matt Grimes will ever consistently play fast paced attacking football. He's capable of it, but needs a boot up the arse to get him out of his comfort zone. He needs to be forced further up the pitch instead of indulged and allowed to spend most of his time hanging around with Darling and Cabango.
It's quite clear given Williams' recent comments about him that current management are happy to let him get on with it, and it's very much a factor in our current malaise. Not the only one, but certainly an important one. We have tightened up defensively at the cost of everything else. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:28]
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In the last 4 games we have scored no goals, we have had at least a dozen excellent chances and converted none of them. Is that the fault of Matt Grimes? This tells me that our front players are simply not good enough. |  | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:07 - Oct 23 with 1826 views | Dr_Winston |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 19:32 - Oct 23 by lifelong |
In the last 4 games we have scored no goals, we have had at least a dozen excellent chances and converted none of them. Is that the fault of Matt Grimes? This tells me that our front players are simply not good enough. |
So that basically works out at three chances per game if those figures are correct. The best strikers in the World don't take 100% of their chances. Last season Haaland's chance conversion rate was 38.2%.
It's not enough. Nowhere near enough. Our forwards are starved of consistent quality service, and the glacial pace of our play is a key factor in that. | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:15 - Oct 23 with 1797 views | lifelong |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:07 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
So that basically works out at three chances per game if those figures are correct. The best strikers in the World don't take 100% of their chances. Last season Haaland's chance conversion rate was 38.2%.
It's not enough. Nowhere near enough. Our forwards are starved of consistent quality service, and the glacial pace of our play is a key factor in that. |
I’m not saying that we should be taking 100% of our chances, taking 0% is unacceptable. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:18 - Oct 23 with 1794 views | Dr_Winston |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:15 - Oct 23 by lifelong |
I’m not saying that we should be taking 100% of our chances, taking 0% is unacceptable. |
Neither is creating just three chances a game, which given we managed just one shot on target in total against Sheff W is almost certainly an over estimate anyway.
If Vipotnik and co were missing shedloads then fair enough. They're not. They're barely getting anything. I don't know how many times as a fanbase we're going to go in two footed on strikers without taking the barest moment to consider why they may be struggling. It's not as if it's a new phenomenon in these parts. [Post edited 23 Oct 20:20]
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:26 - Oct 23 with 1765 views | jack247 |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:07 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
So that basically works out at three chances per game if those figures are correct. The best strikers in the World don't take 100% of their chances. Last season Haaland's chance conversion rate was 38.2%.
It's not enough. Nowhere near enough. Our forwards are starved of consistent quality service, and the glacial pace of our play is a key factor in that. |
It is, but we were slower under Martin and Piroe managed 20 both seasons. Ayew and Lowe basically had to create for themselves under Cooper.
Our slow build up is absolutely a factor, but it’s not an excuse for a striker to be virtually anonymous except for when the opposition are playing out from the back.
The more strikers get involved with play, make clever runs and get away from their markers, the more chances we’ll create. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:32 - Oct 23 with 1766 views | lifelong |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:18 - Oct 23 by Dr_Winston |
Neither is creating just three chances a game, which given we managed just one shot on target in total against Sheff W is almost certainly an over estimate anyway.
If Vipotnik and co were missing shedloads then fair enough. They're not. They're barely getting anything. I don't know how many times as a fanbase we're going to go in two footed on strikers without taking the barest moment to consider why they may be struggling. It's not as if it's a new phenomenon in these parts. [Post edited 23 Oct 20:20]
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We had 19 shots in the Stoke game and 8 shots in Sheffield United game and not 1 goal to show for it. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:33 - Oct 23 with 1764 views | KeithHaynes |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 15:26 - Oct 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Potter played some lovely stuff. Fast and exciting. Interestingly he moved Grimes out of the engine room to right back. He perhaps recognized this issue and resolved it. |
His football was also boring at times.
We’ve had three managers all of who have managed in the premier league since relegation who have tried to play in a certain way that is different to most teams. Some of the time it was pretty boring. It just shows you need the players and overall and we haven’t had them. | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:38 - Oct 23 with 1748 views | jack247 |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:32 - Oct 23 by lifelong |
We had 19 shots in the Stoke game and 8 shots in Sheffield United game and not 1 goal to show for it. |
This isn’t any disrespect to anyone, but when Liam Cullen is your best striker, it’s not that surprising. He’s been here a while, we know what he can do. He would be a squad player at most championships clubs IMO | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 22:26 - Oct 23 with 1674 views | Andyconky |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 20:33 - Oct 23 by KeithHaynes |
His football was also boring at times.
We’ve had three managers all of who have managed in the premier league since relegation who have tried to play in a certain way that is different to most teams. Some of the time it was pretty boring. It just shows you need the players and overall and we haven’t had them. |
I thought he football was exciting mate. Even when we lost that home game to Ipswich. Where as now it's just boredom |  |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 22:48 - Oct 23 with 1645 views | howenjack |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 22:26 - Oct 23 by Andyconky |
I thought he football was exciting mate. Even when we lost that home game to Ipswich. Where as now it's just boredom |
We haven't scored a goal in 4 games , that's 360 minutes + of football . It makes one wonder just what the hell do we do in training | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 06:25 - Oct 24 with 1546 views | PawelAbbott |
There was never really a Swansea Way, the style of play changed frequently over the years. As for the idea thar we traded players a certain way, that's total rubbish as well. There was plenty of poor recruitment decisions along with a few good ones. I'm sure that no one is claiming the Craig Beattie and Shefqi Kuqi were some sort of recruitment master strokes, along with masses of other poor signings.
The problem for the last 10 years is that everything that we have done has been without any clear direction. If we sign good players, we sell them. If we get a good manager, they are let go for the profit it makes. We don't build anything over a number of years. We get to the end of the season and see what can we cash in on.
As for a lack of striker, Rodgers didn't have a decent striker. Similar scored the goals coming in off of the wing. It's just that we had thrust, pace and attacking movement from a number of areas, rather than possession for possessions sake | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 07:14 - Oct 24 with 1506 views | Dr_Winston |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 06:25 - Oct 24 by PawelAbbott |
There was never really a Swansea Way, the style of play changed frequently over the years. As for the idea thar we traded players a certain way, that's total rubbish as well. There was plenty of poor recruitment decisions along with a few good ones. I'm sure that no one is claiming the Craig Beattie and Shefqi Kuqi were some sort of recruitment master strokes, along with masses of other poor signings.
The problem for the last 10 years is that everything that we have done has been without any clear direction. If we sign good players, we sell them. If we get a good manager, they are let go for the profit it makes. We don't build anything over a number of years. We get to the end of the season and see what can we cash in on.
As for a lack of striker, Rodgers didn't have a decent striker. Similar scored the goals coming in off of the wing. It's just that we had thrust, pace and attacking movement from a number of areas, rather than possession for possessions sake |
I'm sure they don't willingly let managers go, aside from Martin maybe. For certain they'd have wanted Potter to stick around, and probably Cooper too if he could have got over his obsession with the England u17's and actually tried working with what he had. Of the managers we've had since relegation, those are the only two who have really proven themselves capable elsewhere.
Unfortunately we've picked at least two, possibly three unsuitable managers in a row, with the biggest waste of time and resources being the first one. That's our main problem.
Your second paragraph is simply the reality of where we are as a club. We can't afford to turn down significant offers for players when we're being subsidised by more than £10m+ per season as it is. We didn't the last time either. | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 08:49 - Oct 24 with 1459 views | EagleEye |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 22:26 - Oct 23 by Andyconky |
I thought he football was exciting mate. Even when we lost that home game to Ipswich. Where as now it's just boredom |
It took about half a season (it was after Christmas) for Potter to show what he could get out of the players that he had. It was the last time that we played fast attacking football. The football got better through the season & it was the last time I felt excited that we had some players who could develop, make a challenge on the top half & be exciting with it. Unfortunately Brighton could see what Potter was capable of & the most exciting player (Daniel James) was sold.
We have rarely been a good watch since. |  | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 08:58 - Oct 24 with 1435 views | Andyconky |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 08:49 - Oct 24 by EagleEye |
It took about half a season (it was after Christmas) for Potter to show what he could get out of the players that he had. It was the last time that we played fast attacking football. The football got better through the season & it was the last time I felt excited that we had some players who could develop, make a challenge on the top half & be exciting with it. Unfortunately Brighton could see what Potter was capable of & the most exciting player (Daniel James) was sold.
We have rarely been a good watch since. |
Yeah I appreciate things take time. However I don't see where that's coming from. If we did promote or buy another striker nothing will change. Also promote an academy player and they're just coached to play the exact way so nothing changes. There is absolutely no individuality in this team and it is extremely worrying | |
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| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 09:01 - Oct 24 with 1429 views | RichardO |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 06:25 - Oct 24 by PawelAbbott |
There was never really a Swansea Way, the style of play changed frequently over the years. As for the idea thar we traded players a certain way, that's total rubbish as well. There was plenty of poor recruitment decisions along with a few good ones. I'm sure that no one is claiming the Craig Beattie and Shefqi Kuqi were some sort of recruitment master strokes, along with masses of other poor signings.
The problem for the last 10 years is that everything that we have done has been without any clear direction. If we sign good players, we sell them. If we get a good manager, they are let go for the profit it makes. We don't build anything over a number of years. We get to the end of the season and see what can we cash in on.
As for a lack of striker, Rodgers didn't have a decent striker. Similar scored the goals coming in off of the wing. It's just that we had thrust, pace and attacking movement from a number of areas, rather than possession for possessions sake |
That build process may have to begin again with all the uncertainty over centre backs.
As for the different points of attack with the full backs we have and the width they can provide the wingers really don't need to be constantly out wide I'm sure some opposition fullbacks are happier keeping them pin in between them and the touchline last thing they want is to be dragged inside by the winger and the fullback running down wing with a head of speed that they cannot match with the winger peeling off into the box to cause the centre halves problems.
We are struggling to get meaningful possession in the box how many times have we seen a line of players instead of trying to commit defenders by forward movement with the ball shuffle the ball sidewards that any half organised handle comfortably. We have seen our wingers trying to try different things as asked but they really are comfortably dealt with and if not any cross is dealt with because the point of attack are the same all the time, there really needs to be a lot more focus down the middle attacking the box with players taking on defenders aided with movement around them to open space in the box.
We have seen what trickier and clever feet can do on the edge of the box but it does seem as the players are being asked to take the safe option while attacking don't take risks and yet in defence the players are asked to be brave.
As long as we don't over commit in attack then the forwards should be brave, quality of players not good enough yes but the team seems to be built on reverse logic. | | | |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 09:09 - Oct 24 with 1407 views | onehunglow |
| From The Swansea Way To Walking Football on 09:01 - Oct 24 by RichardO |
That build process may have to begin again with all the uncertainty over centre backs.
As for the different points of attack with the full backs we have and the width they can provide the wingers really don't need to be constantly out wide I'm sure some opposition fullbacks are happier keeping them pin in between them and the touchline last thing they want is to be dragged inside by the winger and the fullback running down wing with a head of speed that they cannot match with the winger peeling off into the box to cause the centre halves problems.
We are struggling to get meaningful possession in the box how many times have we seen a line of players instead of trying to commit defenders by forward movement with the ball shuffle the ball sidewards that any half organised handle comfortably. We have seen our wingers trying to try different things as asked but they really are comfortably dealt with and if not any cross is dealt with because the point of attack are the same all the time, there really needs to be a lot more focus down the middle attacking the box with players taking on defenders aided with movement around them to open space in the box.
We have seen what trickier and clever feet can do on the edge of the box but it does seem as the players are being asked to take the safe option while attacking don't take risks and yet in defence the players are asked to be brave.
As long as we don't over commit in attack then the forwards should be brave, quality of players not good enough yes but the team seems to be built on reverse logic. |
I read about us overachieving with the players we have .
I’d say we have enough quality to be top six
The players are badly coached
What exactly do they do in training ?
Why can’t players use both feet,why cannot they pass a ball accurately
Why do they not clear dangerous situations | |
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