| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? 20:05 - Oct 18 with 1105 views | AnotherJohn |
Governments in more than one European country have discussed the possibility of off-shore processing of illegal migrants, but this appears to have been dealt a huge blow by the immigration division of the Court of Rome, which has instructed the Italian government to bring the migrants recently transferred to Albania back to Italy.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/italian-court-rules-all-migrants-must-be-re
https://www.repubblica.it/rubriche/metropolis/2024/10/18/video/metropolis_-_dio_
The court said that the transfers were unlawful because the origin countries of the migrants concerned, Egypt and Bangladesh, were not safe countries. Critics have pointed out that according to the criteria the court used to judge a country safe, the only African country on the list would be Cape Verde.
Is off-shore processing now a non-starter? Even Starmer had seemed to be coming around with the rumour about deporting illegal migrants arriving in the Chagos Islands to St Helena. |  | | |  |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 12:12 - Oct 19 with 1009 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The judge actions is based on the law. Clearly for any sort of solution the law needs to be changed.
With regard to UK bound boat people the authorities in UK and France are not doing enough.
My benchmark for this comment is the fact that there was massive fows of boat people from TC back in 2013 or so. Once TC cut a deal this was cut to zero by effective policing with force. [Post edited 19 Oct 12:13]
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 13:58 - Oct 19 with 917 views | AnotherJohn |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 12:12 - Oct 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The judge actions is based on the law. Clearly for any sort of solution the law needs to be changed.
With regard to UK bound boat people the authorities in UK and France are not doing enough.
My benchmark for this comment is the fact that there was massive fows of boat people from TC back in 2013 or so. Once TC cut a deal this was cut to zero by effective policing with force. [Post edited 19 Oct 12:13]
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But what does "based on the law" mean? It is not as though the law comprises an unchanging set of rules which can be applied to myriad situations without interpretation. Rather we are talking about an accumulated corpus of case law in which the meaning of domestic and international law shifts over time (see the article by Jonathan Sumption in the Spectator that I mentioned recently). In this Court of Rome case the understanding of what a safe country is had been modified by a recent Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) judgement that said that it is not enough for a country to be generally safe for it to be suitable to receive immigration returns. The country must be safe in all its regions, and in multiple aspects.
https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2024/10/safe-countries-of-origin-in-asylum-la
The effect of this, if not overturned, is that a very large number of countries in Africa, South America, Asia and the Middle East will not be considered safe. If nationals from these countries can get to an EU country the courts will prevent them from being deported, even if their asylum claim is denied. In other words, EU law commits countries in the region to take in a huge proportion of the global population (numbers far beyond what they could accommodate) if they turn up on European shores. It is rather like the scenario described in Jean Raspail's dystopian novel, The Camp of the Saints.
Edited to include better link about the judgement. [Post edited 19 Oct 16:07]
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 19:42 - Oct 19 with 772 views | KeithHaynes |
Be like Poland, just say no. |  |
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 11:01 - Oct 20 with 699 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 13:58 - Oct 19 by AnotherJohn |
But what does "based on the law" mean? It is not as though the law comprises an unchanging set of rules which can be applied to myriad situations without interpretation. Rather we are talking about an accumulated corpus of case law in which the meaning of domestic and international law shifts over time (see the article by Jonathan Sumption in the Spectator that I mentioned recently). In this Court of Rome case the understanding of what a safe country is had been modified by a recent Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) judgement that said that it is not enough for a country to be generally safe for it to be suitable to receive immigration returns. The country must be safe in all its regions, and in multiple aspects.
https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2024/10/safe-countries-of-origin-in-asylum-la
The effect of this, if not overturned, is that a very large number of countries in Africa, South America, Asia and the Middle East will not be considered safe. If nationals from these countries can get to an EU country the courts will prevent them from being deported, even if their asylum claim is denied. In other words, EU law commits countries in the region to take in a huge proportion of the global population (numbers far beyond what they could accommodate) if they turn up on European shores. It is rather like the scenario described in Jean Raspail's dystopian novel, The Camp of the Saints.
Edited to include better link about the judgement. [Post edited 19 Oct 16:07]
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If they are going by that criteria then most European countries including ourselves could pretty fairly be classified as “unsafe” too. |  |
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 23:19 - Oct 20 with 643 views | Luther27 |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 11:01 - Oct 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If they are going by that criteria then most European countries including ourselves could pretty fairly be classified as “unsafe” too. |
Especially after the far right riots of the summer plus a Labour budget looming. | | | |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 07:40 - Oct 21 with 582 views | Boundy |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 23:19 - Oct 20 by Luther27 |
Especially after the far right riots of the summer plus a Labour budget looming. |
What far right riots ? or do you mean a handful of organised scrots , swelled by the ranks of kids and young mothers and grannies spouting off on social media | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 08:26 - Oct 21 with 577 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 23:19 - Oct 20 by Luther27 |
Especially after the far right riots of the summer plus a Labour budget looming. |
Labour run London is certainly not safe. Under Sadiq Khan knife deaths have soared to record highs. | |
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 09:22 - Oct 21 with 555 views | onehunglow |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 08:26 - Oct 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Labour run London is certainly not safe. Under Sadiq Khan knife deaths have soared to record highs. |
Anyone suggesting most parts of London are safe is mad.
It’s the same with many of our big cities | |
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| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 18:14 - Oct 21 with 498 views | Luther27 |
| Court halts Italy's Albanian migrant processing scheme? on 07:40 - Oct 21 by Boundy |
What far right riots ? or do you mean a handful of organised scrots , swelled by the ranks of kids and young mothers and grannies spouting off on social media |
The very same. According to the media they were on a par with Germany 1939 type people. | | | |
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