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Plaid Cymru on Israel 20:39 - Oct 14 with 4484 viewsKeithHaynes

Calling for a boycott.

Arseholes.

I’ll qualify that, the Welsh Jewish council, who have supported Plaid over the years are furious.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:07 - Oct 15 with 893 viewsSullutaCreturned

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:59 - Oct 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

Plaid?


Yes, a shocking word that should never be used in polite company.
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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:17 - Oct 15 with 883 viewsraynor94

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:07 - Oct 15 by controversial_jack

The Yanks sending a missile system is an admission the Israelis are struggling.


Israel will never struggle with America backing them

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 10:46 - Oct 16 with 773 viewscontroversial_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:17 - Oct 15 by raynor94

Israel will never struggle with America backing them


I hate to break this to you but they are. They have a war on many fronts. they haven't defeated Hamas, Hezbollah or anyone.

Don't rely on the Yanks, they don't have a good record in conflicts recently.Run out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, not to mention the stalemate in Korea
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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 11:41 - Oct 16 with 753 viewsraynor94

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 10:46 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack

I hate to break this to you but they are. They have a war on many fronts. they haven't defeated Hamas, Hezbollah or anyone.

Don't rely on the Yanks, they don't have a good record in conflicts recently.Run out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, not to mention the stalemate in Korea


Same as the Russians in Chechnya Afghanistan and Ukraine then

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 12:39 - Oct 16 with 698 viewscontroversial_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 11:41 - Oct 16 by raynor94

Same as the Russians in Chechnya Afghanistan and Ukraine then


Afghanistan yes, But they were victorious in Chechnya, if that's the correct word and they have won in the Ukraine
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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 13:38 - Oct 16 with 661 viewsraynor94

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 12:39 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack

Afghanistan yes, But they were victorious in Chechnya, if that's the correct word and they have won in the Ukraine


Of course they have

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 13:42 - Oct 16 with 657 viewscontroversial_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 13:38 - Oct 16 by raynor94

Of course they have


The Ukraine cannot recover from their military position. Their advances have failed, they are being pushed back slowly on all fronts.Security forces are press ganging young men into the army as they no longer have the manpower. There's only going to be one outcome sooner or later. It's only stubborn resistance and the the failure of Zelensky and his allies to accept the situation that is keeping this conflict going
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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 14:27 - Oct 16 with 628 viewsunion_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 13:42 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack

The Ukraine cannot recover from their military position. Their advances have failed, they are being pushed back slowly on all fronts.Security forces are press ganging young men into the army as they no longer have the manpower. There's only going to be one outcome sooner or later. It's only stubborn resistance and the the failure of Zelensky and his allies to accept the situation that is keeping this conflict going


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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 14:35 - Oct 16 with 621 viewsonehunglow

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 14:27 - Oct 16 by union_jack

Fingers crossed eh?😉🤞


One gets the impression that if Ukraine has to admit defeat and give back its land to Russia then our Moscow correspondent will be out on the Vodka

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 15:40 - Oct 16 with 608 viewsLuther27

To be fair they’re making it easier not to vote for them.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 15:45 - Oct 16 with 607 viewsLuther27

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 15:45 - Oct 15 by Kilkennyjack

Its tbe human cost that is entirely heart breaking.

Netanyahu And others need to tried in court for war crimes against humanity.

Until Israel behaves in a civilised manner then the West should not arm them.

You always end up talking in the end.


It’s war. I think people actually believe that there are rules when it comes to war. There aren’t. Most people appear to believe it’s a PlayStation game….it isn’t.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 16:02 - Oct 16 with 602 viewsSullutaCreturned

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 15:45 - Oct 16 by Luther27

It’s war. I think people actually believe that there are rules when it comes to war. There aren’t. Most people appear to believe it’s a PlayStation game….it isn’t.


Oh there are rules it's just that some countries don't obey them. Hamas and Hezbollah are not countries just terrorist groups and they never obey rules.

Saying Ukraine has lost is demonstrably not true, to say they are losing, ok yes but they haven't lost. Not yet.

Ifa dnwhen Russia wins though, it won't be the end. Putin is condemning Russia to decades of sanctions, he's started the cold war again and the Russian people suffered greatly during the last cold war.
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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 16:03 - Oct 16 with 602 viewsKilkennyjack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 15:45 - Oct 16 by Luther27

It’s war. I think people actually believe that there are rules when it comes to war. There aren’t. Most people appear to believe it’s a PlayStation game….it isn’t.


Its accountability at the individual level.

The Nuremberg trials were held by the Allies against representatives of the defeated Nazi Germany for plotting and carrying out invasions of other countries across Europe and atrocities against their citizens in World War II.

The Israeli leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity.
And indeed anyone else who has done similar things.

Nobody has suggested this is a game.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:07 - Oct 16 with 527 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 16:03 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack

Its accountability at the individual level.

The Nuremberg trials were held by the Allies against representatives of the defeated Nazi Germany for plotting and carrying out invasions of other countries across Europe and atrocities against their citizens in World War II.

The Israeli leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity.
And indeed anyone else who has done similar things.

Nobody has suggested this is a game.


Crimes against humanity? This is Hamas we’re talking about so a cruelty to animals charge is probably more appropriate.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:41 - Oct 16 with 498 viewsonehunglow

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:07 - Oct 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

Crimes against humanity? This is Hamas we’re talking about so a cruelty to animals charge is probably more appropriate.


Rules of course don’t app,y to mother Russia as they proved as they raped thousands en route to Berlin in 45
They have a fine tradition

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:54 - Oct 16 with 441 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:41 - Oct 16 by onehunglow

Rules of course don’t app,y to mother Russia as they proved as they raped thousands en route to Berlin in 45
They have a fine tradition


I doubt that Hamas paused for even a second to consider whether their actions on October the 7th could constitute a “crime against humanity”. What goes around comes around lads.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:29 - Oct 16 with 388 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 10:46 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack

I hate to break this to you but they are. They have a war on many fronts. they haven't defeated Hamas, Hezbollah or anyone.

Don't rely on the Yanks, they don't have a good record in conflicts recently.Run out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, not to mention the stalemate in Korea


It was a United Nations force that stopped the Chinese and USSR backed invasion of South Korea by North Korea communist forces. Despite the North Korean forces vastly out number United Nations forces the invasion was stopped and the North Korean forced forced out of South Korea.

No peace treaty was ever signed. Democratic South Korea has boomed while North Korea has abandoned communism in favour of a dictatorships . North Korea has one of the worst standards of living in Asia.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:32 - Oct 16 with 373 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 13:38 - Oct 16 by raynor94

Of course they have


Which is why they have lost a large proportion of the land they captured in their invasion nearly 3 years ago. This despite relying on arms from North Korea, China and Iran

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:33 - Oct 16 with 369 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 16:03 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack

Its accountability at the individual level.

The Nuremberg trials were held by the Allies against representatives of the defeated Nazi Germany for plotting and carrying out invasions of other countries across Europe and atrocities against their citizens in World War II.

The Israeli leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity.
And indeed anyone else who has done similar things.

Nobody has suggested this is a game.


What about hamas, hezbulla and Iran?

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:23 - Oct 16 with 332 viewsKilkennyjack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 18:33 - Oct 16 by felixstowe_jack

What about hamas, hezbulla and Iran?


Yes - anyone else should also be charged with war crimes.

This is accepted international law, its not new.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:27 - Oct 16 with 329 viewsKilkennyjack

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 17:54 - Oct 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

I doubt that Hamas paused for even a second to consider whether their actions on October the 7th could constitute a “crime against humanity”. What goes around comes around lads.


16,500 children have been killed in Gaza, that is clearly not self defence.
Israel has precision weapons.

It needs to stop - and those responsible need to be on trial under international law.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:36 - Oct 16 with 310 viewsLuther27

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 16:03 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack

Its accountability at the individual level.

The Nuremberg trials were held by the Allies against representatives of the defeated Nazi Germany for plotting and carrying out invasions of other countries across Europe and atrocities against their citizens in World War II.

The Israeli leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity.
And indeed anyone else who has done similar things.

Nobody has suggested this is a game.


The Nazis lost…that’s why the survivors were prosecuted….by the victors. That’s how War works. I’ve not noticed Lawyers 4 U looking for clients in the Middle East yet.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:40 - Oct 16 with 299 viewsReslovenSwan1

The support for various groups crosses divides but in reality Russia and Israel are toxic soul brothers. Both atrd in the business of stealing land and repopulating the stolen land with their own like minded people. Both gave dubious historical justifications. Both are comfy with large civilian losses.

Peace can only come when Israel stops planting it's people on stolen land. It is a 100 year process for them.. Violence actually speeds up changing the demographic proportions.

In reality as solution with Palestine (river to the sea) is not they difficult to establish. The problem is not the Jewish settlers in the West Bank the problem is the Jewish settlers refusal to living in a Palestinian majority state.

This also can be solved by diplomacy and the formation of a secular government working within strict guidelines. The British are good at this sort of thing.

The protagonists are equally bad. Likud are as bad as Hamas and worse than Rafah who notionally run the West Bank. Get the main protagonists out of the way and a solution can be found. Throw big money at it. All most Palestinians want is a small house and a garden and long lasting peace.

Some Israeli do not want peace but continuous was with flare up and iterative land gains just like the Russians.

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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:41 - Oct 16 with 296 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:36 - Oct 16 by Luther27

The Nazis lost…that’s why the survivors were prosecuted….by the victors. That’s how War works. I’ve not noticed Lawyers 4 U looking for clients in the Middle East yet.


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Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:47 - Oct 16 with 294 viewsraynor94

Plaid Cymru on Israel on 20:27 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack

16,500 children have been killed in Gaza, that is clearly not self defence.
Israel has precision weapons.

It needs to stop - and those responsible need to be on trial under international law.


Not being facetious, but I hope some of those aid lorries are carrying contraception.

And as for Israeli precision weapons, it's difficult when the cowards of Hamas and Hezbolla embed themselves amongst the civilian population

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