| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) 18:35 - Sep 30 with 5356 views | SwansIndependent |
 Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) 30th Sep 2024 18:31This evening the top story is Welsh clubs want to play in Europe via the Welsh League Cup ? There’s no cake and eating it here, is this another route to being rejected by the Football Association in England as it’s a yearly invite. Would the football league vote against this move, and ask for Welsh clubs to be expelled, if it is agreed ?  1
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:56 - Nov 25 with 1590 views | QJumpingJack |
but if we won the League Cup again - we wouldn't go into Europe....? | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:57 - Nov 25 with 1587 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:56 - Nov 25 by QJumpingJack |
but if we won the League Cup again - we wouldn't go into Europe....? |
If this happened, you are absolutely correct. |  |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:58 - Nov 25 with 1582 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:53 - Nov 25 by swancity |
It was never a problem previously. With bigger squads these days and squad rotation a thing now it wouldn’t be a problem now. Some clubs would give it a higher priority than others which is their prerogative. |
It was the reason the Premier League was reduced to 20 teams. |  | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 22:33 - Nov 25 with 1508 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:44 - Nov 25 by swancity |
It would be good to see a Welsh FA Cup to include Swansea Cardiff Newport Wrexham Merthyr with European qualification as the prize.
It has to on the strict understanding and agreement going forward that our EFL status is not affected nor our place in the English F a Cup and league cup. |
So you want the penny and the bun. That will go down well with other EFL clubs who won’t stay quiet due to the revenue from European competition. Any assurances now would soon melt away when the others start applying pressure.
This really needs to be thought out and quashed immediately! |  |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 22:36 - Nov 25 with 1499 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 21:18 - Nov 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This project is dangerous but not as dangerous as Team GB . Both need to be binned including the women's s team.
Swansea will end up playing kids in the League cup which is the only major trophy the club has one. Even now Williams was playing the stiffs. Even Njoe an On got a kick. |
Forgive me if I’m wrong (I’m not but just being polite) but Team GB will be of no threat to Swansea City’s status as an EFL club in any way, shape or form.
Personally, I think it’s a great idea but I’m not a Wales supporter. But we don’t want to go off thread do we? | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 00:53 - Nov 26 with 1467 views | Robbie |
Arguement put forward by the EFL soon after this nonsense idea hopefully ignored .
How can a nominated Club governed under our rules and regulation then go off and compete in their own internal matches .
All you Welsh Clubs want to play as your own breakaway in a Competion not sanctioned or rcognised by The Football Leauge , carry on , but not a good look for other teams aiming for their goals , hey the Welsh teams have had a freebie into Europe via a back door .
Bin the idea , stay under FA Rules as they are , or we need to be Independent like the SFA . | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 09:55 - Nov 26 with 1374 views | Boundy |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 23:24 - Oct 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The club is 10% owned by the Trust who in business terms have the same business acumen as the Llangyfelach Women's institute. I sense you are of the same clueless ilk.
The US owners are as good as it gets for Swansea city. Debts covered investment through the door , stability. The problem is the football people at the club who need to do a better job. Watson and Coleman have hits and misses. Williams needs to stop buttering up veterans and release the youngsters.
Some promising signs with Franco, Eom, Vigoroux and Ronald. It is down to Williams to get a song from them and Vipotnik and Buianchini and young guns Abdullai, Parker, Govea, Wilson and Cotterill.
Your language of destruction is quick fix loser nonsense. Flash a leg at a passing Arab prince is for people with no soul.
I do not do the lottery and pray to god for a bit of luck. I invest study and grow things with love and care.
The future of Swansea city rests with its football people and the academy. There is some real talent to be developed. Next level relates to investment. £23m through the door. Relegation was down to Swnsea based football people and poor recruitment.
There is no free lunch unless you are West Ham. This is wales and we have to fight. |
90% over rules 10% or is math not your strongest subject, no shame in that . | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 13:17 - Nov 26 with 1318 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Maths for me not the Yankee math. The Trust get clout from cash to be invested or good friendly relations. The Trust 2015 -2018 are responsible for some really bad calls. |  |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 16:01 - Nov 26 with 1272 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 22:33 - Nov 25 by union_jack |
So you want the penny and the bun. That will go down well with other EFL clubs who won’t stay quiet due to the revenue from European competition. Any assurances now would soon melt away when the others start applying pressure.
This really needs to be thought out and quashed immediately! |
They will be quite happy. Swansea or other clubs have other distractions from the league hella then out.
I do not think Eufa will approve it. They dragged the FAW to form a league while the " exiles" objected to join. Bangor Rhyl Colwyn Bay, Barry Merthyr etc.
Losing qualification for Europe in the English system means not a lot. | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 18:38 - Nov 26 with 1231 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 22:36 - Nov 25 by union_jack |
Forgive me if I’m wrong (I’m not but just being polite) but Team GB will be of no threat to Swansea City’s status as an EFL club in any way, shape or form.
Personally, I think it’s a great idea but I’m not a Wales supporter. But we don’t want to go off thread do we? |
It is British exceptionalism. UK footballers are the only ,players in the world that can represent two countries and two separate flags at the same time.
One can imagine perhaps the Russian federation along with some African allies demanding to end this privilege and demand action to give an either or option but not both.
Welsh teams play in English leagues as a historical to legacy.. It is an anomaly.
The Coleman plan is Welsh exceptionalism where Welsh teams can play in cup tournament s within two different leagues.
Most fans like things as they are with engrained anomalies.
The last thing Swansea city and Wales need is the authorities looking at these anomalies and make attempts by democratic processes to unify the national teams and or force Welsh team into Welsh leagues .
The national teams of UK is an anomaly and a privilege as it Swansea playing in the English leagues. Team GB is a logical solution and fits the UN definition of a country. Sadly it already exists. We do not want FIFA to force a solution to these anomalies as we currently already have special privileges other countries might resent.. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 18:45]
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 06:33 - Jan 13 with 964 views | Whiterockin |
"The four EFL clubs have "agreed to exclude any profit derived by representing Wales in Uefa competitions for financial regulations in the English Football League or the English Premier League"."
How would that work, so what is the point?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c70k3rjn8p0o | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 08:05 - Jan 13 with 851 views | 3swan |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 06:33 - Jan 13 by Whiterockin |
"The four EFL clubs have "agreed to exclude any profit derived by representing Wales in Uefa competitions for financial regulations in the English Football League or the English Premier League"."
How would that work, so what is the point?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c70k3rjn8p0o |
Total minefield.
From day 1 I've been 100% against it, and nothing since has changed my mind or thoughts.
I was hoping (slightly) that new ownership would be our turning point for the better but imo this mindset goes against a level playing fields for competitions we are playing in today.
Extreme view but what if in the future, there is a league restructure required.
I'd guess 4 Welsh clubs will count for nothing.
Also we are relying on a 1 in 4 chance of qualifying every year, without the threat of a cup upset by a Welsh League team.
Small squad, no injuries, extra games
Even the money side won't be a big benefit. | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 08:39 - Jan 13 with 791 views | 3swan |
Theme from the comments
""If people object to this idea, I really think they're holding back Wales. And why would you want to hold back Wales? What would be someone's motivation to hold back Wales as a country trying to stand on its own two feet as a football nation?"
So it's a personal attack on people who disagree?
Also hypocritical
"to hold back Wales as a country trying to stand on its own two feet as a football nation?"
Isn't this using the standing of the 4 Welsh clubs in the EFL. Not really standing on it's own two feet is it. | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 10:57 - Jan 13 with 666 views | KeithHaynes |
Seems we are a step closer, just can’t believe we want this. | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 11:13 - Jan 13 with 636 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 10:57 - Jan 13 by KeithHaynes |
Seems we are a step closer, just can’t believe we want this. |
16 clubs in the cup competition, that's a minimum of 4 matches to win it. If we are looking at it instead of the FA Cup only the 3rd round there are no Championship fixtures so we would start piling up fixtures. There is no guarantee we would win it, play like yesterday we probably wouldn't. Just why would we want to be in it, particularly if, The four EFL clubs have "agreed to exclude any profit derived by representing Wales in Uefa competitions for financial regulations in the English Football League or the English Premier League". | | | |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 12:08 - Jan 13 with 576 views | RhonddaSwans |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 10:57 - Jan 13 by KeithHaynes |
Seems we are a step closer, just can’t believe we want this. |
Look on twitter Kieth .
Most of the English fans are saying we should go back to the welsh leagues.
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We won’t be able to make a money off it.
One place for 4 teams just means whoever is the best team will qualify time and time again.
So basically will be us or Cardiff next year.
Then us Cardiff or Wrexham.
Giving up ever being able to play champions league or UEFA cup just for this is crazy.
This will end up with us all back in the league of Wales.
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This should have been put to the fans prior to this happening.
The conference league has teams like Chelsea so the later stages will just be a hammering anyway.
Why are we doing it so they can have more teams getting smashed by cork or the crusaders in the first round of champions league qualifiers? | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 13:28 - Jan 13 with 504 views | union_jack |
I really don’t see any benefit from this to the individual clubs. Will it benefit Welsh football? Not our problem. We are making a cross for ourselves here and Huw and co should STFU. | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 13:30 - Jan 13 with 504 views | BryanSwan |
As someone who also follows a Cymru south team who will now be kicked out of the competion to make room for Swansea Cardiff etc. I think its a disgrace.
Would be fully for the idea provided the tier 2 sides were allowed to enter in may a preliminary round.
Would be huge for Cymru league sides in terms of revenue, the only benefit i could see this having for the Swans would be exposure. More players would want to join if we were in Europe. | |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 13:57 - Jan 13 with 479 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 13:30 - Jan 13 by BryanSwan |
As someone who also follows a Cymru south team who will now be kicked out of the competion to make room for Swansea Cardiff etc. I think its a disgrace.
Would be fully for the idea provided the tier 2 sides were allowed to enter in may a preliminary round.
Would be huge for Cymru league sides in terms of revenue, the only benefit i could see this having for the Swans would be exposure. More players would want to join if we were in Europe. |
AsI understand it if Swansea Cardiff or Wrexham c get into the latter stages and get big money then LoW are guaranteed a significant cut.
They have been bought up. Haverfordwest find it hard to find any profits for a trip to Dinamo Tblisi.
The issue was never agreement with LoW clubs or the EFL or EPL.Ths road block will be Eufa in Switzerland. If Mooney is any good he will have walked the corridors of power and got a wink or a thumbs up and a promise for Ryan Reynold to pour love into the Cantons if the Alps [Post edited 13 Jan 21:59]
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 14:10 - Jan 13 with 460 views | raynor94 |
News of this now breaking in England that it's close to being agreed.
And the understandable reaction is to kick us out of the English league.
This is a massive mistake in my opinion, I jus hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the harris |  |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 15:44 - Jan 13 with 405 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 14:10 - Jan 13 by raynor94 |
News of this now breaking in England that it's close to being agreed.
And the understandable reaction is to kick us out of the English league.
This is a massive mistake in my opinion, I jus hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the harris |
Eufa will reject it unless they gave been seduced by the "Ryan Reynolds effect".
It was Eufa that railroaded FAW to set up the Welsh league in the face of local opposition.
It was Eufa who said. If you want a Euro spot you must have a league where the teams come from. It would be better for Coleman to buy up Llanelli and place 5-6 prospects in there instead of sending them on loan.
If Eufa throw it out it is reasonable to ask why Mooney did not test the water before going ahead.
I do not know if this is a potential route to the Champions league. Losing the English route to Europe is of no consequence. [Post edited 13 Jan 15:53]
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 17:17 - Jan 13 with 343 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 18:38 - Nov 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is British exceptionalism. UK footballers are the only ,players in the world that can represent two countries and two separate flags at the same time.
One can imagine perhaps the Russian federation along with some African allies demanding to end this privilege and demand action to give an either or option but not both.
Welsh teams play in English leagues as a historical to legacy.. It is an anomaly.
The Coleman plan is Welsh exceptionalism where Welsh teams can play in cup tournament s within two different leagues.
Most fans like things as they are with engrained anomalies.
The last thing Swansea city and Wales need is the authorities looking at these anomalies and make attempts by democratic processes to unify the national teams and or force Welsh team into Welsh leagues .
The national teams of UK is an anomaly and a privilege as it Swansea playing in the English leagues. Team GB is a logical solution and fits the UN definition of a country. Sadly it already exists. We do not want FIFA to force a solution to these anomalies as we currently already have special privileges other countries might resent.. [Post edited 26 Nov 2024 18:45]
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Wales is a nation.
England is a nation.
Scotland is a nation.
The UK is a political state covering these 3 nations and the north of Ireland.
No need to thank me.
PS : Feck Team GB 👍 |  |
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| Swansea City put forward a project plan to play in the Welsh cup (part 2) on 22:47 - Jan 13 with 209 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
"with the four clubs also agreeing to exclude any profit derived from representing Wales in Europe from financial regulations in the EFL or English Premier League".
The wording does not mean Swansea would not make a profit from European games as far as I understand it. I suspect it means Swansea could not use that profit to get around PSR rules.
For example if Swansea made a £7m profit in Europe following 3 year loses of £34m the profits of Europe would be discounted with regard to the regulations and booked as £41m not £34m putting Swansea in contravention of the rules. Here to help. [Post edited 13 Jan 22:49]
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