| 2 questions 21:50 - Sep 28 with 6193 views | AguycalledJack |
That you would like to ask coleman/ levine?
Keep it respectful as they apparently read this site and may in some way respond.
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| 2 questions on 16:30 - Oct 1 with 1249 views | QJumpingJack |
| 2 questions on 15:36 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why do you not mind your own business? I am a decent person and would never attempt to block free speech.
I disagreed with a number of people but am prepared to debate. We did this in my secondary school. In democracies different view are not only tolerated but encouraged.
A lack of debate failed the Trust. Back in 2015 none of the 1000 members demanded they consider selling at least some of their shares. [Post edited 1 Oct 15:38]
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I refer you to 2015 with Moores and Noell and the Trust:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31561837 | | | |
| 2 questions on 18:03 - Oct 1 with 1168 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
This highlights the disastrous strategy of the Trust.with the shares valued at £1m per 1% they wanted to buy shares not sell shares. The wanted an extra 4% worth £4m. They did not have this money. They did not want cash they wanted shares.
It was a bad mistake and as I said the members seemingly did not cross examine this strategy.
A 25% ownership and a veto would prevent investment as any new money would affect the 25% holding so valued by the Trust. The club would be effectively controlled by people who are anti investment. |  |
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| 2 questions on 18:56 - Oct 1 with 1134 views | QJumpingJack |
| 2 questions on 18:03 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This highlights the disastrous strategy of the Trust.with the shares valued at £1m per 1% they wanted to buy shares not sell shares. The wanted an extra 4% worth £4m. They did not have this money. They did not want cash they wanted shares.
It was a bad mistake and as I said the members seemingly did not cross examine this strategy.
A 25% ownership and a veto would prevent investment as any new money would affect the 25% holding so valued by the Trust. The club would be effectively controlled by people who are anti investment. |
as you have so much interest in the Trust - maybe you could have stood at the time to become a board member? You have so much knowledge to offer. | | | |
| 2 questions on 19:41 - Oct 1 with 1082 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 18:56 - Oct 1 by QJumpingJack |
as you have so much interest in the Trust - maybe you could have stood at the time to become a board member? You have so much knowledge to offer. |
The last 10 years have demonstrated Swansea city fans in my opinion are not suitable for a place on the board of Swansea city FC.
The Trust is redundant and should be wound up. The structure model is suitable for clubs like Exeter city where they run the club but probably cannot borrow and no money to invest. 3000 members pay the deficit. Matt Grimes is among them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter_City_Supporters%27_Trust#:~:text=As%20Exe
I am grateful to Mr Silverstein to find a solution. The club are stuck with the Trust who can now do even less than they did before with the 5% fixed.
They received £500k of the other owners.
Their biggest investment has been in English legal firms £400k+ not local kids . Run by the fans what do you expect? It is not insulting fans it is asking them what the hell were they thiking? [Post edited 1 Oct 19:44]
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| 2 questions on 20:06 - Oct 1 with 1055 views | Gwyn737 |
| 2 questions on 19:41 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The last 10 years have demonstrated Swansea city fans in my opinion are not suitable for a place on the board of Swansea city FC.
The Trust is redundant and should be wound up. The structure model is suitable for clubs like Exeter city where they run the club but probably cannot borrow and no money to invest. 3000 members pay the deficit. Matt Grimes is among them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter_City_Supporters%27_Trust#:~:text=As%20Exe
I am grateful to Mr Silverstein to find a solution. The club are stuck with the Trust who can now do even less than they did before with the 5% fixed.
They received £500k of the other owners.
Their biggest investment has been in English legal firms £400k+ not local kids . Run by the fans what do you expect? It is not insulting fans it is asking them what the hell were they thiking? [Post edited 1 Oct 19:44]
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I’ll ask you again, would it have been better if they were Welsh legal firms? | | | |
| 2 questions on 20:32 - Oct 1 with 1010 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 20:06 - Oct 1 by Gwyn737 |
I’ll ask you again, would it have been better if they were Welsh legal firms? |
It would have been better spent on young Welsh local footballers in my opinion or for facilities or kits do yo not agree? I would say that legal services if needed should be local wherever possible.
Remember the Trust biggest investment £400k is no benefit to Swansea or SW Wales at all. Shameful. | |
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| 2 questions on 20:34 - Oct 1 with 1008 views | QJumpingJack |
| 2 questions on 20:32 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It would have been better spent on young Welsh local footballers in my opinion or for facilities or kits do yo not agree? I would say that legal services if needed should be local wherever possible.
Remember the Trust biggest investment £400k is no benefit to Swansea or SW Wales at all. Shameful. |
well Kaplan, Levien, Coleman and Silverstein have all gone public to say how important the Trust is to the club and the community.
You should watch Jake's interview with the Trust. It is on YouTube. | | | |
| 2 questions on 22:32 - Oct 1 with 924 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 20:34 - Oct 1 by QJumpingJack |
well Kaplan, Levien, Coleman and Silverstein have all gone public to say how important the Trust is to the club and the community.
You should watch Jake's interview with the Trust. It is on YouTube. |
The Trust represent the fans. The fans are customers of Swansea city football club. Of course they are praised. The fans show their love in season tickets and the club shop. What the old board were saying about them behind closed doors was something else. They were "the awkward squad" I suspect.
The historic board knew this. No one will criticise them as you are by definition criticising the fans. The mess they are in is entirely their own fault. No one will admit it. In Italy the clubs doff the caps their racist far right Ultras. It is open house on the owners.
Perhaps they will show up at the next forum. That would be a turn up. 'Roll up roll up the £5 is for the good of the club. Membership is so important'.
The money goes to the bank not the club. | |
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| 2 questions on 06:56 - Oct 2 with 860 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 questions on 18:03 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This highlights the disastrous strategy of the Trust.with the shares valued at £1m per 1% they wanted to buy shares not sell shares. The wanted an extra 4% worth £4m. They did not have this money. They did not want cash they wanted shares.
It was a bad mistake and as I said the members seemingly did not cross examine this strategy.
A 25% ownership and a veto would prevent investment as any new money would affect the 25% holding so valued by the Trust. The club would be effectively controlled by people who are anti investment. |
They wanted to be able to poreotect the club, a chance that was continually denied to them.
Then the owners sold up, cashed in and while I had no poroblem with them cashing in, look at how they did it and the outcome... | | | |
| 2 questions on 07:08 - Oct 2 with 856 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 questions on 20:32 - Oct 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It would have been better spent on young Welsh local footballers in my opinion or for facilities or kits do yo not agree? I would say that legal services if needed should be local wherever possible.
Remember the Trust biggest investment £400k is no benefit to Swansea or SW Wales at all. Shameful. |
Do you never buy anything, anything at all from a business not based in Wales?
Why does it only seem to be English businesses you have a problem with? Do you suppose the Swans only deal with local businesses? Maybe they should only buy players from other Welsh clubs?
There is something really shameful in blatant xenophobia, borderline racism. | | | |
| 2 questions on 07:13 - Oct 2 with 844 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 questions on 20:06 - Oct 1 by Gwyn737 |
I’ll ask you again, would it have been better if they were Welsh legal firms? |
Personally I have to wonder why it is that it's shameful to use businesses that are not local but then say that local people are not good enough to be on the board.
Again he's suggesting Swansea fans are too thick while posting more anti English sentiment.
Lets face it, Resloven, really speaking SCFC should be playing in the Welsh league, maybe then you'd be happy?
After all when we support our team at away games we are all supporting English businesses. | | | |
| 2 questions on 08:14 - Oct 2 with 819 views | Whiterockin |
| 2 questions on 07:13 - Oct 2 by SullutaCreturned |
Personally I have to wonder why it is that it's shameful to use businesses that are not local but then say that local people are not good enough to be on the board.
Again he's suggesting Swansea fans are too thick while posting more anti English sentiment.
Lets face it, Resloven, really speaking SCFC should be playing in the Welsh league, maybe then you'd be happy?
After all when we support our team at away games we are all supporting English businesses. |
Plus English businesses are supporting us through sponsorship, would he want us to decline the English shilling and we will not mention those naughty English players taking their Welsh earnings back to England to spend when their playing days are done, some stay but the majority move back. Then there is the English products sold in the service outlets around the ground, the list is endless. There needs to be a reality check and live in the real world. |  | | |
| 2 questions on 09:24 - Oct 2 with 767 views | onehunglow |
| 2 questions on 07:08 - Oct 2 by SullutaCreturned |
Do you never buy anything, anything at all from a business not based in Wales?
Why does it only seem to be English businesses you have a problem with? Do you suppose the Swans only deal with local businesses? Maybe they should only buy players from other Welsh clubs?
There is something really shameful in blatant xenophobia, borderline racism. |
I think Ive had a ban because I went too far regarding this subject .So I have to be careful
Res posts some readable material but he gives the impression that somebody like me,has a “ mixed marriage” and has children and grandchildren who are somehow different to the children of my sister who has Welsh born children
It is racism ,pure and simple . To me .
I’ve read of genetic ,cultural differences between welsh and English. Rubbish rubbish rubbish.
We are the same ,apart from the language fascists and the separatists that would see wales die a death | |
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| 2 questions on 10:00 - Oct 2 with 712 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not see how suggesting local "not for profit' organisation should spend its money locally is in any way racist. Hysteria on stilts.
Remember this totally useless organisation has taken £1.3m from the club and it's owners and been a total pain in the neck. They only ever invested £200k. They paid £400k to the wealthiest people in the country in London and next to nothing on local kids with no boots.
Their main beneficiaries are their bank where they get very little interest. Call it out and you get called a racist.
The members voted for legal action which would have seen the convertible loan of £13m taken from the club along with another £7m from the owners. London agencies would collect a cool £11m and the Trust about £9m. ("To protect the club"). The members would have been a laughing stock in the wine bars of London Bridge and Liverpool Street. The members did not understand what they voted for. The convertible loan note was a masterstroke. The members do not understand that either.
The Trust man or woman might turn up at the next forum. He or she will be the one hiding behind the projector at the back. [Post edited 2 Oct 10:24]
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| 2 questions on 10:45 - Oct 2 with 671 views | jack247 |
| 2 questions on 10:00 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not see how suggesting local "not for profit' organisation should spend its money locally is in any way racist. Hysteria on stilts.
Remember this totally useless organisation has taken £1.3m from the club and it's owners and been a total pain in the neck. They only ever invested £200k. They paid £400k to the wealthiest people in the country in London and next to nothing on local kids with no boots.
Their main beneficiaries are their bank where they get very little interest. Call it out and you get called a racist.
The members voted for legal action which would have seen the convertible loan of £13m taken from the club along with another £7m from the owners. London agencies would collect a cool £11m and the Trust about £9m. ("To protect the club"). The members would have been a laughing stock in the wine bars of London Bridge and Liverpool Street. The members did not understand what they voted for. The convertible loan note was a masterstroke. The members do not understand that either.
The Trust man or woman might turn up at the next forum. He or she will be the one hiding behind the projector at the back. [Post edited 2 Oct 10:24]
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Why turn everything into a tirade against the Trust. They failed and they are irrelevant.
Levein, Coleman and their LLC are running the club. Focus on them. | | | |
| 2 questions on 11:15 - Oct 2 with 645 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 10:45 - Oct 2 by jack247 |
Why turn everything into a tirade against the Trust. They failed and they are irrelevant.
Levein, Coleman and their LLC are running the club. Focus on them. |
They are not irrelevant. They have£1,300,000 sitting in their current account almost all of it given to them by the club and club owners.
The members can vote to pay this money back to the club or use it positively like sponsoring the academy or women's teams . | |
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| 2 questions on 11:20 - Oct 2 with 646 views | jack247 |
| 2 questions on 11:15 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They are not irrelevant. They have£1,300,000 sitting in their current account almost all of it given to them by the club and club owners.
The members can vote to pay this money back to the club or use it positively like sponsoring the academy or women's teams . |
They don’t have any control and they don’t make decisions.
If the trust sponsored the academy or women’s teams, it would make absolutely no difference to anything that’s been discussed above. | | | |
| 2 questions on 14:54 - Oct 2 with 589 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 11:20 - Oct 2 by jack247 |
They don’t have any control and they don’t make decisions.
If the trust sponsored the academy or women’s teams, it would make absolutely no difference to anything that’s been discussed above. |
Cash gives clout. That is what I understand and it is what US owners understand. Had they sold up in 2016 they would have the respects a bulging bank balance of £15m+ earns.
They are irrelevant because their thinking is extremely passive. Their money is devaluing according to inflation. If the members had any sense they would demand they take action.
If the club goes under the Trust ( who cannot manage money) are the last people you need. Wrexhams US made sure their Supporters Trust are very much on the outside. No 5% share holding for them | |
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| 2 questions on 15:03 - Oct 2 with 592 views | jack247 |
| 2 questions on 14:54 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cash gives clout. That is what I understand and it is what US owners understand. Had they sold up in 2016 they would have the respects a bulging bank balance of £15m+ earns.
They are irrelevant because their thinking is extremely passive. Their money is devaluing according to inflation. If the members had any sense they would demand they take action.
If the club goes under the Trust ( who cannot manage money) are the last people you need. Wrexhams US made sure their Supporters Trust are very much on the outside. No 5% share holding for them |
Give it up. They don’t run the club. Levein and Coleman do.
Please stop deflecting any criticism of the owners onto what is essentially a non entity. It’s pathetic and obvious. | | | |
| 2 questions on 16:13 - Oct 2 with 565 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 15:03 - Oct 2 by jack247 |
Give it up. They don’t run the club. Levein and Coleman do.
Please stop deflecting any criticism of the owners onto what is essentially a non entity. It’s pathetic and obvious. |
It is an non entity because it is owned by the fans of Swansea city who did not take their ownership of the club seriously like they do in Germany. They are used to being buttered up.
Coleman calls the shots and the success or failure rests on his shoulders. He is here and there are no excuses. He has been a breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned and has tried to improve recruitment and return to the club philosophy of young hungry players with energy. If the likes of Vipotnik and Bianchi improve it will help his case.
This forum has tried to present him as being out of his depth and not knowing what is going on. I expect him to deal with this journalistic spin. The fans demand high standard of the club but not the body they own. It looks like hypocrisy. You have disowned them. One way to deal with it I suppose. | |
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| 2 questions on 16:51 - Oct 2 with 545 views | Whiterockin |
| 2 questions on 15:03 - Oct 2 by jack247 |
Give it up. They don’t run the club. Levein and Coleman do.
Please stop deflecting any criticism of the owners onto what is essentially a non entity. It’s pathetic and obvious. |
Seems to me that the owners have pulled the wool over Colemans eyes. They brought him here to set the club up to be sold, but he didn't realise it and admits now that he doesn't know. | | | |
| 2 questions on 18:17 - Oct 2 with 469 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 2 questions on 16:51 - Oct 2 by Whiterockin |
Seems to me that the owners have pulled the wool over Colemans eyes. They brought him here to set the club up to be sold, but he didn't realise it and admits now that he doesn't know. |
You make an assumption based on nothing (" it is obvious the club is being prepared to be sold" ) then create a fake reality to fit this assumption.
The US people have gone " hands on" to make it work.
It seems odd to me that what is obvious the to you is not obvious to Coleman. | |
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| 2 questions on 20:27 - Oct 2 with 398 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 2 questions on 10:00 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not see how suggesting local "not for profit' organisation should spend its money locally is in any way racist. Hysteria on stilts.
Remember this totally useless organisation has taken £1.3m from the club and it's owners and been a total pain in the neck. They only ever invested £200k. They paid £400k to the wealthiest people in the country in London and next to nothing on local kids with no boots.
Their main beneficiaries are their bank where they get very little interest. Call it out and you get called a racist.
The members voted for legal action which would have seen the convertible loan of £13m taken from the club along with another £7m from the owners. London agencies would collect a cool £11m and the Trust about £9m. ("To protect the club"). The members would have been a laughing stock in the wine bars of London Bridge and Liverpool Street. The members did not understand what they voted for. The convertible loan note was a masterstroke. The members do not understand that either.
The Trust man or woman might turn up at the next forum. He or she will be the one hiding behind the projector at the back. [Post edited 2 Oct 10:24]
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The reason you get called such things is for constant attacks on the English and only the English or other Swansea fans.
Not to forget the loose gerasp of what a fact actually is and an even looser graps of reality.
Goodnight. | | | |
| 2 questions on 20:44 - Oct 2 with 356 views | Gwyn737 |
| 2 questions on 07:08 - Oct 2 by SullutaCreturned |
Do you never buy anything, anything at all from a business not based in Wales?
Why does it only seem to be English businesses you have a problem with? Do you suppose the Swans only deal with local businesses? Maybe they should only buy players from other Welsh clubs?
There is something really shameful in blatant xenophobia, borderline racism. |
Probably not Cat.
Probably sits at home eating cawl and listening to Tom Jones.
Either that or listening to Under Milk Wood on repeat while looking at a print of Capel Salem. | | | |
| 2 questions on 20:48 - Oct 2 with 339 views | Whiterockin |
| 2 questions on 20:44 - Oct 2 by Gwyn737 |
Probably not Cat.
Probably sits at home eating cawl and listening to Tom Jones.
Either that or listening to Under Milk Wood on repeat while looking at a print of Capel Salem. |
Not like you to knock another poster Gwyn. | | | |
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