| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 20:33 - Sep 10 with 2040 views | onehunglow |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:06 - Sep 10 with 1942 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper did not pick this player and wanted Keinan Davis. He moaned he had no centre forward and the fans bought the spin.
He " had no centre forward" only the awkward Swede who played second fiddle to " true Jack Cullen" and Lowe. He got it badly wrong. Mark Robbins took him off Swansea hands. Free pass to £20m.
Posters still unbelievable say " Cooper would have got to the PL if the Yanks had given him a no 9". |  |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:28 - Sep 10 with 1917 views | QJumpingJack |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:06 - Sep 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper did not pick this player and wanted Keinan Davis. He moaned he had no centre forward and the fans bought the spin.
He " had no centre forward" only the awkward Swede who played second fiddle to " true Jack Cullen" and Lowe. He got it badly wrong. Mark Robbins took him off Swansea hands. Free pass to £20m.
Posters still unbelievable say " Cooper would have got to the PL if the Yanks had given him a no 9". |
0 goals in 11 games for us. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 23:03 - Sep 10 with 1898 views | max936 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:28 - Sep 10 by QJumpingJack |
0 goals in 11 games for us. |
He was shocking for us like a fish out of water, Brighton recalled him because he wasn't getting game time those dam facts again in it, only those with agendas won't accept facts! |  |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 23:31 - Sep 10 with 1880 views | theloneranger |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:06 - Sep 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper did not pick this player and wanted Keinan Davis. He moaned he had no centre forward and the fans bought the spin.
He " had no centre forward" only the awkward Swede who played second fiddle to " true Jack Cullen" and Lowe. He got it badly wrong. Mark Robbins took him off Swansea hands. Free pass to £20m.
Posters still unbelievable say " Cooper would have got to the PL if the Yanks had given him a no 9". |
Why did Brighton want to sell him so cheap, if they knew he was going to be this super striker??
You knew better than Brighton!! |  |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 23:54 - Sep 10 with 1870 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 23:31 - Sep 10 by theloneranger |
Why did Brighton want to sell him so cheap, if they knew he was going to be this super striker??
You knew better than Brighton!! |
It was Cooper's job to assess the player and determine if it was worth the club making a bid of around £1m. He had 6 months to assess him. He had 11 games how many were starts? None probably. In his one start he scored a crisp header v Stevenage.
The club has not produced a centre forward in living memory from the academy or CoE. These guys are rarely available.
Fans were not impressed as he was not given a chance by Cooper. They do not rate Abdullai either. There's a surprise.
Cooper actually sent him back saying " there is a player in there" and Robins said " yes thank you very much". Whittaker anyone?
Cooper was not working in the long term interests of the club. He was passing through. Robbins on the other hand is and that is Coventry s gain and Swansea s loss. [Post edited 10 Sep 23:57]
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 00:04 - Sep 11 with 1841 views | theloneranger |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 23:54 - Sep 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It was Cooper's job to assess the player and determine if it was worth the club making a bid of around £1m. He had 6 months to assess him. He had 11 games how many were starts? None probably. In his one start he scored a crisp header v Stevenage.
The club has not produced a centre forward in living memory from the academy or CoE. These guys are rarely available.
Fans were not impressed as he was not given a chance by Cooper. They do not rate Abdullai either. There's a surprise.
Cooper actually sent him back saying " there is a player in there" and Robins said " yes thank you very much". Whittaker anyone?
Cooper was not working in the long term interests of the club. He was passing through. Robbins on the other hand is and that is Coventry s gain and Swansea s loss. [Post edited 10 Sep 23:57]
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What's your answer got to do with my question about Brighton??
Where are all these Swans fans who were not impressed by the way Cooper supposedly treated Viktor Gyokeres?? | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 00:54 - Sep 11 with 1817 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 00:04 - Sep 11 by theloneranger |
What's your answer got to do with my question about Brighton??
Where are all these Swans fans who were not impressed by the way Cooper supposedly treated Viktor Gyokeres?? |
Brighton had an embarrassment of riches. Swansea you might have noted do not.
I didn't know better than Brighton for sure. I only saw one full game of him and he scored. Cooper knew though and said so. He knew he was going to be good player but made no effort to develop him and make an offer. Why was that?
It was because Cooper was not fully engaged and saw SCFC as a stepping stone. 12 -18 months at Swansea was no good to Cooper. He rated Keinan Davis as a better player. Guess what - he had worked with him at England underage teams?
The fans are not well informed. West Ham and Bournemouth see Abdullai as the new Jude Bellingham. Most on here think he is useless. What to you make of that? I have been singing his praises for some time. I do not accept Coopers spin to excuse his failure to get promoted twice with a whos who of young players at his disposal. | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 06:00 - Sep 11 with 1752 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 00:04 - Sep 11 by theloneranger |
What's your answer got to do with my question about Brighton??
Where are all these Swans fans who were not impressed by the way Cooper supposedly treated Viktor Gyokeres?? |
In fairness (and I really can't believe that I'm doing this) Cooper's mishandling of Gyokeres seemed quite obvious at the time and has little to do with Brighton's opinion of him.
Much like we're seeing with Abdulai now, and with Whittaker in the past, the appearances count for little when you're either playing someone out of position or not to their strengths, both of which we didn't do with Gyo. Of his twelve total appearances, nine were off the bench. One goal in three starts for a coach who didn't want you is actually decent going.
Cooper, like his successor, had a habit of misusing the resources available to him and then complaining that he didn't have any. [Post edited 11 Sep 6:58]
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 07:21 - Sep 11 with 1725 views | Whiterockin |
Did anyone pay the fee in the last window, why not? Perhaps clubs do not believe the hype and a player that has not performed in a top league is not worth the risk. Time will tell. |  | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 08:18 - Sep 11 with 1702 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 22:06 - Sep 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper did not pick this player and wanted Keinan Davis. He moaned he had no centre forward and the fans bought the spin.
He " had no centre forward" only the awkward Swede who played second fiddle to " true Jack Cullen" and Lowe. He got it badly wrong. Mark Robbins took him off Swansea hands. Free pass to £20m.
Posters still unbelievable say " Cooper would have got to the PL if the Yanks had given him a no 9". |
Robbins didn't take him off our hands, they bought him from Brighton. Why do you persist in spreading lies?
It can only be because you are a troll and a WUM. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 08:44 - Sep 11 with 1675 views | RichardO |
He was not here 6 months but 3 months he arrived around the beginning of October, below are parts of a BBC report of his loan signing, which include a number of telling quotes from Cooper.
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He has appeared in Brighton's three EFL Cup ties this season, but has been allowed to leave on loan by former Swansea boss Graham Potter after the Seagulls were knocked out of the competition by Manchester United on Wednesday. ( I have added the date of the game for clarity Wed. 30 Sep 2020)
Gyokeres revealed Potter - as well as his former Swansea staff members Billy Reid and Bjorn Hamberg - had recommended he moved to Wales.
Gyokeres was Swansea head coach Steve Cooper's top target after it became clear Liverpool's Rhian Brewster would not be returning to Wales.
"There are certainly some players we would like to sign and can do from our end," Cooper added.
"It just needs to be aligned with what the player in question wants to do and the club they are with, whether that be a loan or permanent.
"Are we close to doing things? Close and far away are probably the same."
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In that season both Ayew and Lowe were scoring goals and Gyokeres was used sparingly in the his 3 months here. There were a number of returns of players to their parent clubs, the injured Gibbs-White on the 1st of Jan and Gyokeres on the 14th Jan.
Was Gyokeres recalled or let go, given the date I would say let go because of the promise of the two American who arrived a week later both of whom didn't work out in our favour. A mistake yes but an understandable one to some degree, juggling loan players? | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:03 - Sep 11 with 1654 views | onehunglow |
Well,let’s look at it this way
For us,he was crap
He goes and the next club sees him very effective indeed,so much so he eventually moves to a truly big club and holds his own
Now, that should show something .
It doesn’t to many though as we’re too busy looking for excuses | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:22 - Sep 11 with 1624 views | RichardO |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:03 - Sep 11 by onehunglow |
Well,let’s look at it this way
For us,he was crap
He goes and the next club sees him very effective indeed,so much so he eventually moves to a truly big club and holds his own
Now, that should show something .
It doesn’t to many though as we’re too busy looking for excuses |
It would appear that many excellent players get over looked because there are already players in formations trusted by different managers which mean they cannot get a look in. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:32 - Sep 11 with 1620 views | jack247 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:22 - Sep 11 by RichardO |
It would appear that many excellent players get over looked because there are already players in formations trusted by different managers which mean they cannot get a look in. |
He wasn’t excellent though, he was awful. It wasn’t like an Abdulai or even Latibaudiere, situation where he’s clearly being played out of position.
Coopers target, I’m fairly certain at least, was to get us up. It wasn’t on developing players for the future. He played the strongest team he had in the here and now, not the one that would reap rewards in seasons to come. We wouldn’t have been so heavily stacked with loan players if we were trying to build. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:51 - Sep 11 with 1612 views | RichardO |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:32 - Sep 11 by jack247 |
He wasn’t excellent though, he was awful. It wasn’t like an Abdulai or even Latibaudiere, situation where he’s clearly being played out of position.
Coopers target, I’m fairly certain at least, was to get us up. It wasn’t on developing players for the future. He played the strongest team he had in the here and now, not the one that would reap rewards in seasons to come. We wouldn’t have been so heavily stacked with loan players if we were trying to build. |
Agreed. Cooper's aim was to get us up, not sure about Gyokeres being awful but do appreciate that in the team selected he did not show the promise of the future player he could turn out to be.
In my intial comment maybe I should have used the word promising instead of excellent players, it was to include other players whose careers have gone in different directions after leaving clubs that they didn't fit into as well as Gyokeres. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:00 - Sep 11 with 1599 views | onehunglow |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:22 - Sep 11 by RichardO |
It would appear that many excellent players get over looked because there are already players in formations trusted by different managers which mean they cannot get a look in. |
Or put it another way, players are buggered about and don’t show their true talents .
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:02 - Sep 11 with 1597 views | theloneranger |
For many different reasons we've lost/released or missed out on many players over the years -
John Charles, Georgio Chinaglia, Dean Saunders etc, and more recently Ali Ibrahim Karim Al-Hamadi. | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:13 - Sep 11 with 1589 views | RichardO |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:00 - Sep 11 by onehunglow |
Or put it another way, players are buggered about and don’t show their true talents .
We’re experts in this |
I'm sure there are plenty other teams who are just as good at it as well.
I just want our players like Ronald and Eom to show us the same attacking threat that we saw when they first arrived.
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:14 - Sep 11 with 1586 views | onehunglow |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:02 - Sep 11 by theloneranger |
For many different reasons we've lost/released or missed out on many players over the years -
John Charles, Georgio Chinaglia, Dean Saunders etc, and more recently Ali Ibrahim Karim Al-Hamadi. |
Georgio couodnt hardly get out of bed for training
He did ok though out of football | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:24 - Sep 11 with 1566 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I only have two memories of gyokeres and his time here.
1: him falling over a lot
2: attempting a stupid chip when one on one with the keeper that he scuffed harmlessly wide when he had an easy pass to routledge to tap into an empty net. |  |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:25 - Sep 11 with 1565 views | jack247 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 09:51 - Sep 11 by RichardO |
Agreed. Cooper's aim was to get us up, not sure about Gyokeres being awful but do appreciate that in the team selected he did not show the promise of the future player he could turn out to be.
In my intial comment maybe I should have used the word promising instead of excellent players, it was to include other players whose careers have gone in different directions after leaving clubs that they didn't fit into as well as Gyokeres. |
Promising - yes potentially. I didn’t see it, but seem to remember Cooper saying something to that effect.
That hasn’t been the way since our American friends took over unfortunately. We don’t look to develop players long term, just bring in rough diamonds and hope to sell them on a year or two later. | | | |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:34 - Sep 11 with 1560 views | theloneranger |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:14 - Sep 11 by onehunglow |
Georgio couodnt hardly get out of bed for training
He did ok though out of football |
Very rarely did Giorgio get out his OWN bed. 😂
If he wasn't on the pull, he spent a lot of time in the autumn/winter evenings, sitting in The Mountain Dew pub, nursing half a pint or a cuppa - because he couldn't afford to put money in his flat meter for lighting and heating!! | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:42 - Sep 11 with 1544 views | onehunglow |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 10:34 - Sep 11 by theloneranger |
Very rarely did Giorgio get out his OWN bed. 😂
If he wasn't on the pull, he spent a lot of time in the autumn/winter evenings, sitting in The Mountain Dew pub, nursing half a pint or a cuppa - because he couldn't afford to put money in his flat meter for lighting and heating!! |
Christ ,you’re old | |
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| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 14:00 - Sep 11 with 1475 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Guardian: Victor Gyokeres on 08:18 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Robbins didn't take him off our hands, they bought him from Brighton. Why do you persist in spreading lies?
It can only be because you are a troll and a WUM. |
Wrong Brighton effectively took over the loan. Brighton wanted him to have 12 months loan with a option to buy perhaps? He did the 6 months stint at Swansea and because Cooper made no effort with the player Brighton calked him back and sent to Coventry.
You prefer to use words like liar rather than researching. Personal attacks are a deflection | |
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