| Latest hostage killings 14:17 - Sep 2 with 1106 views | AnotherJohn |
The discovery of six hostages (including women) found dead in a tunnel in Gaza has provoked protests against the Israel government. However, to me the fact they were killed immediately when rescue became likely shows that no party is worse than Hamas. Basically the only Israelis encountered in that cross-border incursion on October 7th who stayed alive are those that Hamas could use as pawns. Everybody else was murdered on the spot, and if the hostages are no longer of use they too are killed. That looks more like genocide than the admittedly OTT actions of Israel in Gaza. As a general rule Palestinians are not killed on sight. |  | | |  |
| Latest hostage killings on 14:33 - Sep 2 with 1082 views | onehunglow |
Hence the difference
Israelis use a sledgehammer to crack a nut
Hamas use hostages women and children as shields | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 14:44 - Sep 2 with 1065 views | DaPs166 |
| Latest hostage killings on 14:33 - Sep 2 by onehunglow |
Hence the difference
Israelis use a sledgehammer to crack a nut
Hamas use hostages women and children as shields |
I disagree. I don’t think any other nation would go about this situation any differently to what Israel is doing and has done.
If anything other nations would be less cautious.
I’m yet to hear a compelling argument for how to deal with Hamas in a kinder, gentler way. Terrorists see kindness as weakness. And Arab nations and their people only know strength. Hence why Islam and dictators reign supreme.
You’re correct about Hamas, they will kill anyone not useful to them. Even their own(Hamas operatives included). For example they executed a Hamas commander for being gay. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/hamas-commander-accused-of-gay | | | |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:28 - Sep 2 with 1040 views | onehunglow |
| Latest hostage killings on 14:44 - Sep 2 by DaPs166 |
I disagree. I don’t think any other nation would go about this situation any differently to what Israel is doing and has done.
If anything other nations would be less cautious.
I’m yet to hear a compelling argument for how to deal with Hamas in a kinder, gentler way. Terrorists see kindness as weakness. And Arab nations and their people only know strength. Hence why Islam and dictators reign supreme.
You’re correct about Hamas, they will kill anyone not useful to them. Even their own(Hamas operatives included). For example they executed a Hamas commander for being gay. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/hamas-commander-accused-of-gay |
I dunno.
I’m trying to see it from both camps
I don’t Israeli has played it smart
They were invaded and could have had ( most) of the civilised world their side,Russia obviously doesn’t fit . They could have played it smarter
Both sides are obsessed with revenge
That said,I hope they smash Hamas . | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 16:33 - Sep 2 with 1033 views | theloneranger |
Lammy just announced - "UK will start a partial ban on arms exports to Israel" |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Latest hostage killings on 16:35 - Sep 2 with 1033 views | DaPs166 |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:28 - Sep 2 by onehunglow |
I dunno.
I’m trying to see it from both camps
I don’t Israeli has played it smart
They were invaded and could have had ( most) of the civilised world their side,Russia obviously doesn’t fit . They could have played it smarter
Both sides are obsessed with revenge
That said,I hope they smash Hamas . |
You’re wrong about Israel. They’re not obsessed with revenge at all. They’ve accepted every two state solution offer whilst the ‘Palestinians’ have rejected every single one.
Israel do have every civilised nation on their side. The fluff pieces in media pretending that this is something to do with the poor Palestinians simply wanting statehood mean nothing. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
Israel are fighting against an enemy who believe this is a holy war and they are taught to hate Jews and taught they should be butchered. This isn’t said in the west because they don’t want to have that conversation, but it’s a fact. The fear of being called names like racist of Islamophobic scares people to death which I find completely bizarre.
There’s a reason why their October 7th massacre was called “operation al aqsa flood” and every dead terrorist and civilian in Gaza is called a martyr. | | | |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:48 - Sep 2 with 1025 views | Flashberryjack |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:33 - Sep 2 by theloneranger |
Lammy just announced - "UK will start a partial ban on arms exports to Israel" |
What took him so long to nail his colours to the mast. |  |
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| Latest hostage killings on 17:26 - Sep 2 with 1005 views | DaPs166 |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:48 - Sep 2 by Flashberryjack |
What took him so long to nail his colours to the mast. |
They wanted to get elected. Now they can be as anti semitic and racist as they like again. | | | |
| Latest hostage killings on 19:37 - Sep 2 with 934 views | onehunglow |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:35 - Sep 2 by DaPs166 |
You’re wrong about Israel. They’re not obsessed with revenge at all. They’ve accepted every two state solution offer whilst the ‘Palestinians’ have rejected every single one.
Israel do have every civilised nation on their side. The fluff pieces in media pretending that this is something to do with the poor Palestinians simply wanting statehood mean nothing. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
Israel are fighting against an enemy who believe this is a holy war and they are taught to hate Jews and taught they should be butchered. This isn’t said in the west because they don’t want to have that conversation, but it’s a fact. The fear of being called names like racist of Islamophobic scares people to death which I find completely bizarre.
There’s a reason why their October 7th massacre was called “operation al aqsa flood” and every dead terrorist and civilian in Gaza is called a martyr. |
Hang on.
I’m just trying to see it from both sides
As for what’s wrong, then you need to view and then comment on the plethora of anti Israel stuff that abounds .
No need to look far | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 20:26 - Sep 2 with 894 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Latest hostage killings on 16:48 - Sep 2 by Flashberryjack |
What took him so long to nail his colours to the mast. |
Because figuring out how to use a hammer is beyond his intellectual capabilities. |  |
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| Latest hostage killings on 00:36 - Sep 3 with 833 views | KeithHaynes |
| Latest hostage killings on 14:33 - Sep 2 by onehunglow |
Hence the difference
Israelis use a sledgehammer to crack a nut
Hamas use hostages women and children as shields |
I can only imagine how big a sledgehammer the USA and UK would use if they were nationals of their countries. |  |
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| Latest hostage killings on 00:37 - Sep 3 with 831 views | KeithHaynes |
| Latest hostage killings on 14:44 - Sep 2 by DaPs166 |
I disagree. I don’t think any other nation would go about this situation any differently to what Israel is doing and has done.
If anything other nations would be less cautious.
I’m yet to hear a compelling argument for how to deal with Hamas in a kinder, gentler way. Terrorists see kindness as weakness. And Arab nations and their people only know strength. Hence why Islam and dictators reign supreme.
You’re correct about Hamas, they will kill anyone not useful to them. Even their own(Hamas operatives included). For example they executed a Hamas commander for being gay. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/hamas-commander-accused-of-gay |
No, surely not ! | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 10:06 - Sep 3 with 761 views | onehunglow |
| Latest hostage killings on 00:36 - Sep 3 by KeithHaynes |
I can only imagine how big a sledgehammer the USA and UK would use if they were nationals of their countries. |
Don’t think we would act as we did during the Iranian embassy siege ,Keith.
Thatcher ensured TV covered it to show you don’t mess with the British
Now,under Starmer,or a pallid Tory government, nah. | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 10:46 - Sep 3 with 732 views | theloneranger |
| Latest hostage killings on 10:06 - Sep 3 by onehunglow |
Don’t think we would act as we did during the Iranian embassy siege ,Keith.
Thatcher ensured TV covered it to show you don’t mess with the British
Now,under Starmer,or a pallid Tory government, nah. |
Thatcher didn't demand the tv cameras be there. They were there because the terrorists demanded live coverage of their demands, as part of the negotiations - this was allowed by COBRA.
What she did demand was that the SAS could not use the smoke generators they had for a smokescreen.
This would have blocked out the view of the world's media - and she wanted the whole assault on the embassy shown on the world's tv screens - as a message to all terrorists!! | |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Latest hostage killings on 17:59 - Sep 3 with 649 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Latest hostage killings on 10:06 - Sep 3 by onehunglow |
Don’t think we would act as we did during the Iranian embassy siege ,Keith.
Thatcher ensured TV covered it to show you don’t mess with the British
Now,under Starmer,or a pallid Tory government, nah. |
For all her faults (and there were many) the woman certainly had balls unlike anyone who has come since. | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 20:14 - Sep 3 with 618 views | DaPs166 |
| Latest hostage killings on 00:37 - Sep 3 by KeithHaynes |
No, surely not ! |
Shocking, I know | | | |
| Latest hostage killings on 20:58 - Sep 3 with 597 views | Flashberryjack |
| Latest hostage killings on 10:46 - Sep 3 by theloneranger |
Thatcher didn't demand the tv cameras be there. They were there because the terrorists demanded live coverage of their demands, as part of the negotiations - this was allowed by COBRA.
What she did demand was that the SAS could not use the smoke generators they had for a smokescreen.
This would have blocked out the view of the world's media - and she wanted the whole assault on the embassy shown on the world's tv screens - as a message to all terrorists!! |
And what message do we send terrorists these days, come stab and bomb. | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 23:11 - Sep 3 with 554 views | onehunglow |
| Latest hostage killings on 17:59 - Sep 3 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
For all her faults (and there were many) the woman certainly had balls unlike anyone who has come since. |
True enough
Torirs since have been gutless
It's why labour gave mullered them | |
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| Latest hostage killings on 23:59 - Sep 3 with 540 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Latest hostage killings on 23:11 - Sep 3 by onehunglow |
True enough
Torirs since have been gutless
It's why labour gave mullered them |
History has shown us the primary objective of any leader be it monarch, prime minister, president or other head of state should be to protect the realm, its interests and everyone living in it.
Somehow in a remarkably short period of time we’ve gone from being the most powerful nation on the planet to a position where we’ve given away control of our food supply, energy supply and resources to other nations that we could very well end up in conflict with in the next few decades. And how did we reach this point? The pursuit of money, the scrabbling around in the dirt for a few coins and a tiny percentage point of “economic growth” is now the most important thing.
If, God forbid we end up in a war any time soon we are literally a sitting duck. The Russians will cut off our power, the Chinese can cut off our steel, the Iranians have hundreds of thousands of people already in our country sympathetic to their interests just waiting for the call.
We’ve had ten consecutive prime ministers (including Thatcher, she started the dogma of the financial market worship) who have actively been working against the interests of this country and its people. | |
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