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It appears that one trans man still did certain things in the conventional gender-based way. On being x-rayed for an unrelated condition it emerged that said person was pregnant. Statistically I would hazard a guess that there is an extremely rare event. I wonder how much it has cost the NHS re new guidance and the reputational repercussions?
NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 12:18 - Aug 13 by AnotherJohn
It appears that one trans man still did certain things in the conventional gender-based way. On being x-rayed for an unrelated condition it emerged that said person was pregnant. Statistically I would hazard a guess that there is an extremely rare event. I wonder how much it has cost the NHS re new guidance and the reputational repercussions?
I'd like to read that story
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 13:12 - Aug 13 with 1383 views
Ah right so just in case you pee off a very small minority the NHS is willing to pee off the majority and it seems in one case risk the life of someone who was upset being asked the question that he failed to have an important scan .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 14:49 - Aug 13 with 1329 views
Good spot, but I wonder how the question of what gender a person was at birth is asked. Presumably in the "age" of "gender diversity" that the author of the statement claims we live in it cannot be assumed that persons who appear to fall clearly within male or female gender (leave aside non-binary for now) were born in that gender. Additionally it is a question that some who self-identify as being in a gender different from the one they were born in would find objectionable or embarrassing. Some (teh non-binary?) may even question the notion that conceptually they were born in a given gender at all. So it seems that a wide range of people would be asked that question, and some won't like it. Is that much better than what was alleged?
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 18:57 - Aug 14 with 1034 views
NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 17:59 - Aug 14 by AnotherJohn
Good spot, but I wonder how the question of what gender a person was at birth is asked. Presumably in the "age" of "gender diversity" that the author of the statement claims we live in it cannot be assumed that persons who appear to fall clearly within male or female gender (leave aside non-binary for now) were born in that gender. Additionally it is a question that some who self-identify as being in a gender different from the one they were born in would find objectionable or embarrassing. Some (teh non-binary?) may even question the notion that conceptually they were born in a given gender at all. So it seems that a wide range of people would be asked that question, and some won't like it. Is that much better than what was alleged?
I doubt it needs to be asked. Medical records would be enough.
This is a non story
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:12 - Aug 14 with 1022 views
NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 18:57 - Aug 14 by Scotia
I doubt it needs to be asked. Medical records would be enough.
This is a non story
Well the link seems to indicate that the onus is put on the patient to say: "if an individual indicates they were born male they are not asked about the possibility of pregnancy. If an individual indicates they were born female, then potential for pregnancy can be determined". I don't know if you have experience of looking at medical records, especially an electronic record that may be available across settings. Last time I had reason to look (admittedly a few years ago) many were sketchy, albeit pretty non-binary when it came to one standard field.
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 20:28 - Aug 14 with 1009 views
NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:12 - Aug 14 by AnotherJohn
Well the link seems to indicate that the onus is put on the patient to say: "if an individual indicates they were born male they are not asked about the possibility of pregnancy. If an individual indicates they were born female, then potential for pregnancy can be determined". I don't know if you have experience of looking at medical records, especially an electronic record that may be available across settings. Last time I had reason to look (admittedly a few years ago) many were sketchy, albeit pretty non-binary when it came to one standard field.
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I've got no experience at looking at medical records at all, but I've got plenty of experience of completing medical forms and there are questions about the gender you are and the gender you were born as. Nobody has ever verbally asked me.
It's not not an unusual question, in fact it's probably standard.
This is a complete non story but fabricated, inflammatory and transphobic journalism designed to annoy the usual suspects.
It's worked and they should be ashamed after events so far this month. This kind of nonsense has to be stopped.
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NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 20:50 - Aug 14 with 1002 views
NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 20:28 - Aug 14 by Scotia
I've got no experience at looking at medical records at all, but I've got plenty of experience of completing medical forms and there are questions about the gender you are and the gender you were born as. Nobody has ever verbally asked me.
It's not not an unusual question, in fact it's probably standard.
This is a complete non story but fabricated, inflammatory and transphobic journalism designed to annoy the usual suspects.
It's worked and they should be ashamed after events so far this month. This kind of nonsense has to be stopped.
While there is a grain of truth in your post, the idea that the information would come from records is misleading.. In April 2022 two new items were added to two NHS data sets (MHSDS v5.0 and IAPT Data Set) which relate to gender identity and gender at birth. Both data sets relate primarily to the mental health domain. However, it is unclear how far this has been rolled out to cover the majority of patients attending general hospitals for diagnostic scans.. Earlier this year I had to make visits to 3 local NHS hospitals plus Santa Maria in relation to a health issue affecting a female family member and in each case had to help said person complete largely overlapping patient data for record systems. The departments concerned did not appear to have access to an electronic record. These questions didn't figure. Most importantly, NHS guidance is clear that patients will usually need to be asked if this information is collected. See below:
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How to ask patients about their gender identity
Staff and patients have to understand why this information is being collected, how it will be analysed and what the information will be used for.
It is important to find the right time to ask these questions, as patients may not feel comfortable disclosing at first but may feel comfortable enough to do so later on. It is also important to allow trans and non-binary identities to signal that trans and non-binary identities should be recognised and valued by services, to avoid cisnormativity and to promote LGBT+ inclusive practice. The consequences of not including and using options for trans and non-binary individuals to record and use their gender identity, could result in disengagement from care and feelings of stigmatisation.
A patient may ask why this data is being collected or choose not to share their gender identity and/or trans status. Staff should make it clear they are under no obligation to share anything they are uncomfortable with and reassure them that if they choose to share this information, it will be kept strictly confidential.
If a patient wishes to know why you are asking for this data, you can inform them that the service collects this information so that they can enhance services and to ensure that it continues to remain inclusive of people of all identities.
If a patient declines to respond to a gender identity data item as they do not agree with the question or how it is asked, then that is their choice and they can leave the field blank.
There is an increasing range of guidance and support to help people working in health services to consider how they can provide trans inclusive healthcare and how to appropriately ask for information on gender, including “Recommendations for Trans*- Inclusive Healthcare” from Kings College London.
How to collect and record gender identity data
In MHSDS v5.0 and IAPT Data Set v2.1 (from April 2022), two new data items, which relate to gender identify and gender at birth (shown in in Table 3) together aim to better capture how patients would like their gender and sex to be recorded. They will also support services on how to better care for their patient.
These data items should be completed using information provided by the patient as part of registrations and/or care contacts. They should not be completed by linkage to the NHS Spine or assumed/inferred by the service. This is important because gender data recorded by other NHS services could relate to sex registered at birth or their gender identity, and also because it’s possible that a patient’s gender identity may have been recorded differently by services at an earlier time in their journey in understanding their identity.
In line with this, the gender identity selected by a patient within a service should never be overwritten by information recorded by other services or via the NHS Spine.
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