| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:19 - Aug 14 with 581 views | Scotia |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:11 - Aug 14 by AnotherJohn |
While there is a grain of truth in your post, the idea that the information would come from records is misleading.. In April 2022 two new items were added to two NHS data sets (MHSDS v5.0 and IAPT Data Set) which relate to gender identity and gender at birth. Both data sets relate primarily to the mental health domain. However, it is unclear how far this has been rolled out to cover the majority of patients attending general hospitals for diagnostic scans.. Earlier this year I had to make visits to 3 local NHS hospitals plus Santa Maria in relation to a health issue affecting a female family member and in each case had to help said person complete largely overlapping patient data for record systems. The departments concerned did not appear to have access to an electronic record. These questions didn't figure. Most importantly, NHS guidance is clear that patients will usually need to be asked if this information is collected. See below:
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How to ask patients about their gender identity
Staff and patients have to understand why this information is being collected, how it will be analysed and what the information will be used for.
It is important to find the right time to ask these questions, as patients may not feel comfortable disclosing at first but may feel comfortable enough to do so later on. It is also important to allow trans and non-binary identities to signal that trans and non-binary identities should be recognised and valued by services, to avoid cisnormativity and to promote LGBT+ inclusive practice. The consequences of not including and using options for trans and non-binary individuals to record and use their gender identity, could result in disengagement from care and feelings of stigmatisation.
A patient may ask why this data is being collected or choose not to share their gender identity and/or trans status. Staff should make it clear they are under no obligation to share anything they are uncomfortable with and reassure them that if they choose to share this information, it will be kept strictly confidential.
If a patient wishes to know why you are asking for this data, you can inform them that the service collects this information so that they can enhance services and to ensure that it continues to remain inclusive of people of all identities.
If a patient declines to respond to a gender identity data item as they do not agree with the question or how it is asked, then that is their choice and they can leave the field blank.
There is an increasing range of guidance and support to help people working in health services to consider how they can provide trans inclusive healthcare and how to appropriately ask for information on gender, including “Recommendations for Trans*- Inclusive Healthcare” from Kings College London.
How to collect and record gender identity data
In MHSDS v5.0 and IAPT Data Set v2.1 (from April 2022), two new data items, which relate to gender identify and gender at birth (shown in in Table 3) together aim to better capture how patients would like their gender and sex to be recorded. They will also support services on how to better care for their patient.
These data items should be completed using information provided by the patient as part of registrations and/or care contacts. They should not be completed by linkage to the NHS Spine or assumed/inferred by the service. This is important because gender data recorded by other NHS services could relate to sex registered at birth or their gender identity, and also because it’s possible that a patient’s gender identity may have been recorded differently by services at an earlier time in their journey in understanding their identity.
In line with this, the gender identity selected by a patient within a service should never be overwritten by information recorded by other services or via the NHS Spine.
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https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/data-collections-and-data-sets/data- [Post edited 14 Aug 21:38]
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That would seem to further prove that this Telegraph / Express / Mail article is click bait.
The only truth that matters is that NHS guidance is fundamentally not to ask men if they're pregnant before receiving an x ray.
It's nothing more than right wing media pandering to their readers. |  | |  |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:43 - Aug 14 with 558 views | AnotherJohn |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:19 - Aug 14 by Scotia |
That would seem to further prove that this Telegraph / Express / Mail article is click bait.
The only truth that matters is that NHS guidance is fundamentally not to ask men if they're pregnant before receiving an x ray.
It's nothing more than right wing media pandering to their readers. |
It seems to me to indicate that what you wrote comes from somebody who doesn't know how the system works and posted misleading information. I wonder how many of our posters have completed those question fields in those specialist data bases. [Post edited 14 Aug 21:45]
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:50 - Aug 14 with 547 views | Gwyn737 |
I suppose the question is, are men asked if they’re pregnant before they have an X-ray? | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:01 - Aug 14 with 542 views | AnotherJohn |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:50 - Aug 14 by Gwyn737 |
I suppose the question is, are men asked if they’re pregnant before they have an X-ray? |
Well you may recall that my point was that it isn't much better if people of whatever sex are asked if they were that same sex at birth, and according to the SoR this now seems to be on the agenda, largely because of one highly unusual incident involving a CT scan. | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:03 - Aug 14 with 539 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:01 - Aug 14 by AnotherJohn |
Well you may recall that my point was that it isn't much better if people of whatever sex are asked if they were that same sex at birth, and according to the SoR this now seems to be on the agenda, largely because of one highly unusual incident involving a CT scan. |
I think it’s more to do with issues around NHS record keeping.
I bet it’s got something to do with the threat of litigation too. | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:06 - Aug 14 with 526 views | Whiterockin |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:50 - Aug 14 by Gwyn737 |
I suppose the question is, are men asked if they’re pregnant before they have an X-ray? |
Is it ageism if you are male and not asked if you are pregnant because you are old. |  | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:08 - Aug 14 with 515 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 22:06 - Aug 14 by Whiterockin |
Is it ageism if you are male and not asked if you are pregnant because you are old. |
Could be next! | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 06:38 - Aug 15 with 456 views | Scotia |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 21:43 - Aug 14 by AnotherJohn |
It seems to me to indicate that what you wrote comes from somebody who doesn't know how the system works and posted misleading information. I wonder how many of our posters have completed those question fields in those specialist data bases. [Post edited 14 Aug 21:45]
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That's just diversion from the original point isn't it?
The NHS don't ask men if they are pregnant before they have an x ray apart from in some incredibly rare, but necessary, circumstances. That wouldn't make a great story would it?
My knowledge of medical records isn't really relevant. Those questions are even on job applications nowadays, albeit an "optional to complete" part of the application. The necessity for those questions in some circumstances is a different debate.
This thread is based on a falsehood. | | | |
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 06:59 - Aug 15 with 450 views | AnotherJohn |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 06:38 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
That's just diversion from the original point isn't it?
The NHS don't ask men if they are pregnant before they have an x ray apart from in some incredibly rare, but necessary, circumstances. That wouldn't make a great story would it?
My knowledge of medical records isn't really relevant. Those questions are even on job applications nowadays, albeit an "optional to complete" part of the application. The necessity for those questions in some circumstances is a different debate.
This thread is based on a falsehood. |
The fact is that the questions you mentioned were and are not generally asked in most NHS specialities, but in the light of recent changes seem set to be asked more widely. This is what lies behind the newspaper stories, which miss out the step that radiologists may now ask about gender at birth as a prelude to asking a smaller subset of patients the question about possible pregnancy. Some observers are disturbed by a trend whereby NHS guidance contains terms like gender diversity and cisgender, which they believe is related to so-called gender ideology, and this is what is behind the stories. You say you have completed forms that ask the questions about gender at birth and gender identity several times. Perhaps you would like to explain the context? [Post edited 15 Aug 7:12]
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 08:21 - Aug 15 with 423 views | Scotia |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 06:59 - Aug 15 by AnotherJohn |
The fact is that the questions you mentioned were and are not generally asked in most NHS specialities, but in the light of recent changes seem set to be asked more widely. This is what lies behind the newspaper stories, which miss out the step that radiologists may now ask about gender at birth as a prelude to asking a smaller subset of patients the question about possible pregnancy. Some observers are disturbed by a trend whereby NHS guidance contains terms like gender diversity and cisgender, which they believe is related to so-called gender ideology, and this is what is behind the stories. You say you have completed forms that ask the questions about gender at birth and gender identity several times. Perhaps you would like to explain the context? [Post edited 15 Aug 7:12]
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The Headline in the Express:-
"NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays"
The Headline in the Telegraph:-
"NHS staff told to ask men if they are pregnant before X-rays"
The reality, from the professional organisation responsible for radiography in the NHS:-
"Radiographers across the UK understand that if an individual indicates they were born male they are not asked about the possibility of pregnancy".
Some observers are disturbed by what they are told by certain branches of the media who are pursuing their own agenda, not by reality.
If they are getting so disturbed perhaps they should change their preferrred source of information because it's that that is responsible for them being disturbed. They'd probably far less angry.
I'd be happy to explain the context of any post I've ever made. But not in this thread as it's completely off topic. | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 09:41 - Aug 15 with 385 views | felixstowe_jack |
if they asked me that question I would reply "do you have a medical qualification"
If they reply "Yes" then I would reply "men cannot get pregnant" | |
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 11:02 - Aug 15 with 360 views | Boundy |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 06:38 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
That's just diversion from the original point isn't it?
The NHS don't ask men if they are pregnant before they have an x ray apart from in some incredibly rare, but necessary, circumstances. That wouldn't make a great story would it?
My knowledge of medical records isn't really relevant. Those questions are even on job applications nowadays, albeit an "optional to complete" part of the application. The necessity for those questions in some circumstances is a different debate.
This thread is based on a falsehood. |
as is your sentence about it being driven by right wing media, is that this months' new buzz word, seek them here, seek them there .  | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 11:03 - Aug 15 with 358 views | Scotia |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 11:02 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
as is your sentence about it being driven by right wing media, is that this months' new buzz word, seek them here, seek them there . |
It's not a headline in the Mirror or Guardian though is it? | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:23 - Aug 15 with 288 views | Dr_Winston |
Any time I have to take a declaration about health from a customer the question "are you pregnant" is in there. It's just a standard template. I mostly use it as a joke when talking to a male and move on. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:29 - Aug 15 with 287 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:23 - Aug 15 by Dr_Winston |
Any time I have to take a declaration about health from a customer the question "are you pregnant" is in there. It's just a standard template. I mostly use it as a joke when talking to a male and move on. |
So it’s not a sign of the imminent destruction of society?
Thank heavens. | | | |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:31 - Aug 15 with 284 views | Dr_Winston |
| NHS guidance says staff should ask men if they're pregnant ahead of X-rays on 19:29 - Aug 15 by Gwyn737 |
So it’s not a sign of the imminent destruction of society?
Thank heavens. |
There are far more obvious examples of that about. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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