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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? 19:29 - Aug 3 with 8572 viewsKeithHaynes

Plenty (thousands) of patriots there this weekend, spin off concerts right wing against the Rebellion punk festival which pulls in many thousands as well. Going to be a hot night. Winter Gardens has closed its doors to protect staff and guests.







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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 15:45 - Aug 8 with 1527 views1983

The Media Machine,Starmer & Police predicting last night was going to be the most violent night of recent weeks was all smoke and mirrors they are 5,6,7 days too late.
Look everyone we have it all back under control now the right wing are all banged up ding dong the witch is dead !

Nothing to see here now move on and let's all forget about this silly old nonsense..... Wibble Wibble Wibble
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 16:41 - Aug 8 with 1451 viewsWingstandwood

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 15:45 - Aug 8 by 1983

The Media Machine,Starmer & Police predicting last night was going to be the most violent night of recent weeks was all smoke and mirrors they are 5,6,7 days too late.
Look everyone we have it all back under control now the right wing are all banged up ding dong the witch is dead !

Nothing to see here now move on and let's all forget about this silly old nonsense..... Wibble Wibble Wibble
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We're well and truly living in sick times, that if someone had predicted a few decades back, out would have come "village idiot" or "eccentric" labeling.

It's absolute Orwellian and tens of millions no longer trust "the mainstream". The term "fake news" is NOT stuff of fantasy, its reality.

And who would have predicted that the term "fake news" would ever have become so prevalent in the (of all places!) U.K in the first place, let alone the mass-acceptance of it. Yeah a bit of bygone WW2 wartime propaganda and subterfuge, but what we're seeing now in this day and age?

ā€œFake news" was once something that was only meant to come from sources like ā€˜The Iraqi Information Ministerā€™.... Soviet ā€˜Pravdaā€™.... or some crackpot overseas governmental disinformation office. But from the BBC and many others?

Argus!

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:23 - Aug 8 with 1383 viewsSullutaCreturned

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 16:41 - Aug 8 by Wingstandwood

We're well and truly living in sick times, that if someone had predicted a few decades back, out would have come "village idiot" or "eccentric" labeling.

It's absolute Orwellian and tens of millions no longer trust "the mainstream". The term "fake news" is NOT stuff of fantasy, its reality.

And who would have predicted that the term "fake news" would ever have become so prevalent in the (of all places!) U.K in the first place, let alone the mass-acceptance of it. Yeah a bit of bygone WW2 wartime propaganda and subterfuge, but what we're seeing now in this day and age?

ā€œFake news" was once something that was only meant to come from sources like ā€˜The Iraqi Information Ministerā€™.... Soviet ā€˜Pravdaā€™.... or some crackpot overseas governmental disinformation office. But from the BBC and many others?


I remember having these discussiins" years back, about the msm and honesty. The truth there is that not one media source is 100% straight, they all have agendas, some obviously have much bigger agendas than others, like Elon Musk and X.

These riots, many non "far rght racists"may have taken part because enough is enough. The truth there is though (in my opinion) these riots wouldn't have happened if the racists hadn't started it all. A bit of the old mob mentality and even normally sane, sensible people can go a bit loopy. Even the Romans understood that.

The big problem is that people have genuine grievances and the government isn't listening. Like I already said, the next time killings like in Southport happen, and it will happen again, there will probably be more "protests" and until or unless the Uk government does something real about the out of control immigration problems the tensions in the affected communities will only heighten as time passes and more crimes are commited.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:33 - Aug 8 with 1361 viewsGwyn737

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:23 - Aug 8 by SullutaCreturned

I remember having these discussiins" years back, about the msm and honesty. The truth there is that not one media source is 100% straight, they all have agendas, some obviously have much bigger agendas than others, like Elon Musk and X.

These riots, many non "far rght racists"may have taken part because enough is enough. The truth there is though (in my opinion) these riots wouldn't have happened if the racists hadn't started it all. A bit of the old mob mentality and even normally sane, sensible people can go a bit loopy. Even the Romans understood that.

The big problem is that people have genuine grievances and the government isn't listening. Like I already said, the next time killings like in Southport happen, and it will happen again, there will probably be more "protests" and until or unless the Uk government does something real about the out of control immigration problems the tensions in the affected communities will only heighten as time passes and more crimes are commited.


Couldnā€™t agree more.

In print media, weā€™ve always had papers that that have leant a particular way and most sensible people can take that into account and read across a range to get a good sense of what is happening.

I donā€™t like the tone of the Mail, doesnā€™t mean I donā€™t there thereā€™s some good investigative journalism done by them or all their journalists are the same.

In defence of the mainstream media, at least thereā€™s some accountability and apart from the red tops, thereā€™s nothing I wouldnā€™t read.

Different with online stuff as there are things Iā€™ll avoid. Iā€™d never for instance click on a Talk TV link as thereā€™s just no point.

As for Elon Musk, Twitter has always been a bit of a cesspool but you used to be able to curate it a bit. Not anymore. Itā€™s just what he wants you to read.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:39 - Aug 8 with 1300 viewsLuther27

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:33 - Aug 8 by Gwyn737

Couldnā€™t agree more.

In print media, weā€™ve always had papers that that have leant a particular way and most sensible people can take that into account and read across a range to get a good sense of what is happening.

I donā€™t like the tone of the Mail, doesnā€™t mean I donā€™t there thereā€™s some good investigative journalism done by them or all their journalists are the same.

In defence of the mainstream media, at least thereā€™s some accountability and apart from the red tops, thereā€™s nothing I wouldnā€™t read.

Different with online stuff as there are things Iā€™ll avoid. Iā€™d never for instance click on a Talk TV link as thereā€™s just no point.

As for Elon Musk, Twitter has always been a bit of a cesspool but you used to be able to curate it a bit. Not anymore. Itā€™s just what he wants you to read.


I disagree with you there regarding Elon and X. I canā€™t think of many that are actually banned from X. Iā€™m not really interested in it to be honest, however tonight Kahn Sadik is saying social media laws are not fit for purpose.
So which one is trying to control social media and information? 1984 anyone?
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 18:31 - Aug 9 with 1168 viewsSullutaCreturned

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:39 - Aug 8 by Luther27

I disagree with you there regarding Elon and X. I canā€™t think of many that are actually banned from X. Iā€™m not really interested in it to be honest, however tonight Kahn Sadik is saying social media laws are not fit for purpose.
So which one is trying to control social media and information? 1984 anyone?


Well Musk controls X nt any government and he uses it as a platform for his own absurd views, such as saying the Earth is UNDER populated,

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2021/12/07/elon-musk-declining-birt

Facebook, X, tiktok etc, they all have views on them that are nothing but shite stirring for the brainless masses.

But then go to the other end of that spectrum and we have governments full of well educated morons who simply cannot understand why they are unpopular.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 18:49 - Aug 9 with 1162 viewsGwyn737

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:39 - Aug 8 by Luther27

I disagree with you there regarding Elon and X. I canā€™t think of many that are actually banned from X. Iā€™m not really interested in it to be honest, however tonight Kahn Sadik is saying social media laws are not fit for purpose.
So which one is trying to control social media and information? 1984 anyone?


Itā€™s the way the algorithm now works.

Most others try and lead you to things you like and agree with which of course is dangerous itself.

But since Musk has taken over, I know have things thrust down my throat.

You can imagine the kind of people I follow ( I use it mostly for work stuff) yet the people who most regularly turn up in my feed are Lawrence Fox, Yaxley-Lennon, Farage and Alex Jones.

This would never have been the case before Musk.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:16 - Aug 9 with 1112 viewsLuther27

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 18:49 - Aug 9 by Gwyn737

Itā€™s the way the algorithm now works.

Most others try and lead you to things you like and agree with which of course is dangerous itself.

But since Musk has taken over, I know have things thrust down my throat.

You can imagine the kind of people I follow ( I use it mostly for work stuff) yet the people who most regularly turn up in my feed are Lawrence Fox, Yaxley-Lennon, Farage and Alex Jones.

This would never have been the case before Musk.
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The point Iā€™m makingā€¦maybe not very wellā€¦.is no matter what your opinion, no matter what your views and to a certain extent the type of language used, be it abhorrent to some you are allowed free speech. It is then up to the individual to make an opinion.

Our mainstream feed continues to limit any opinion, reduces the information available, and God help you if you use a word, or sentence that yesterday was ok to use but not today, however it may be acceptable tomorrow.

Iā€™m sorry to bore on but Iā€™m a very firm believer in democracy and free speech no matter what my personal opinions are.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:20 - Aug 9 with 1086 viewsLuther27

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 18:31 - Aug 9 by SullutaCreturned

Well Musk controls X nt any government and he uses it as a platform for his own absurd views, such as saying the Earth is UNDER populated,

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2021/12/07/elon-musk-declining-birt

Facebook, X, tiktok etc, they all have views on them that are nothing but shite stirring for the brainless masses.

But then go to the other end of that spectrum and we have governments full of well educated morons who simply cannot understand why they are unpopular.


I know what you mean. The point I was trying to make is in a democracy youā€™re entitled to an honest personal opinion. If itā€™s not your personal view then you either ignore it or reply. Itā€™s your choice. Surely it canā€™t be correct to forbid or ban debate because it doesnā€™t suit the views of the individual or the group?
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 20:59 - Aug 9 with 1043 viewsGwyn737

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 19:16 - Aug 9 by Luther27

The point Iā€™m makingā€¦maybe not very wellā€¦.is no matter what your opinion, no matter what your views and to a certain extent the type of language used, be it abhorrent to some you are allowed free speech. It is then up to the individual to make an opinion.

Our mainstream feed continues to limit any opinion, reduces the information available, and God help you if you use a word, or sentence that yesterday was ok to use but not today, however it may be acceptable tomorrow.

Iā€™m sorry to bore on but Iā€™m a very firm believer in democracy and free speech no matter what my personal opinions are.


My issue isnā€™t people offering an opinion, itā€™s when people share wrong information thatā€™s dangerous.

Case in point is the killer of those poor girls. It went round like wild fire that he was a Syrian immigrant off a small boat who was on a watch list.

Look where that took us.

Thereā€™s accountability for every person who shared that information.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:41 - Aug 9 with 1003 viewsKeithHaynes

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 20:59 - Aug 9 by Gwyn737

My issue isnā€™t people offering an opinion, itā€™s when people share wrong information thatā€™s dangerous.

Case in point is the killer of those poor girls. It went round like wild fire that he was a Syrian immigrant off a small boat who was on a watch list.

Look where that took us.

Thereā€™s accountability for every person who shared that information.


Happens a lot, like people thinking in the eighties that plastic buckets were used in mainland Britain. Incredible ignorance. Never been used.

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:54 - Aug 9 with 961 views3swan

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:41 - Aug 9 by KeithHaynes

Happens a lot, like people thinking in the eighties that plastic buckets were used in mainland Britain. Incredible ignorance. Never been used.


Predictive text can bring a smile.

I'm sure I used a plastic bucket.

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:54 - Aug 9 with 961 viewsunion_jack

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 20:59 - Aug 9 by Gwyn737

My issue isnā€™t people offering an opinion, itā€™s when people share wrong information thatā€™s dangerous.

Case in point is the killer of those poor girls. It went round like wild fire that he was a Syrian immigrant off a small boat who was on a watch list.

Look where that took us.

Thereā€™s accountability for every person who shared that information.


You are right about this particular point but evening if this tragic incident had never happened, something else would have sparked these riots because too many people have had enough. That was the last straw.

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:58 - Aug 9 with 955 viewsKeithHaynes

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:54 - Aug 9 by 3swan

Predictive text can bring a smile.

I'm sure I used a plastic bucket.



I saw hat but though I would leave it in.

Fallible as anyone. šŸ˜‚

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? (n/t) (n/t) on 22:01 - Aug 9 with 938 views3swan

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:58 - Aug 9 by KeithHaynes

I saw hat but though I would leave it in.

Fallible as anyone. šŸ˜‚


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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:02 - Aug 9 with 925 viewsGwyn737

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:54 - Aug 9 by union_jack

You are right about this particular point but evening if this tragic incident had never happened, something else would have sparked these riots because too many people have had enough. That was the last straw.


Maybe.

I reckon not pouring petrol on it is helpful.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:08 - Aug 9 with 887 viewsWhiterockin

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 21:54 - Aug 9 by union_jack

You are right about this particular point but evening if this tragic incident had never happened, something else would have sparked these riots because too many people have had enough. That was the last straw.


Then again some are just trouble makers and thugs any reason will do and be used as an excuse.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:17 - Aug 9 with 860 viewsLuther27

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 20:59 - Aug 9 by Gwyn737

My issue isnā€™t people offering an opinion, itā€™s when people share wrong information thatā€™s dangerous.

Case in point is the killer of those poor girls. It went round like wild fire that he was a Syrian immigrant off a small boat who was on a watch list.

Look where that took us.

Thereā€™s accountability for every person who shared that information.


Accountability yes. But why did these lies spreadā€¦and spread so quickly? In part the lack of information left a vacuum that was filled with these rumours. When the police request people not to speculate do you honestly think they wouldnā€™t?

That disgraceful episode followed hot on the tail of the Manchester airport incident. Selective information found its way into the worldā€™s media. When the full details of that particular incident was finally made public it left a bad taste in the mouth all round.

These two incidents lit the fires of where we are today. And in times like this one of the first casualty is truth.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:37 - Aug 9 with 832 viewsraynor94

Planned pro immigration rally in Swansea on Sunday

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 23:18 - Aug 9 with 800 viewsDJack

Taken from the other board. Worth a watch...


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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 00:10 - Aug 10 with 771 viewsBoundy

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:37 - Aug 9 by raynor94

Planned pro immigration rally in Swansea on Sunday


O goodo , a hot sunny day will bring the thickos ( the ones who want a ruck with the police that is ) , let me guess either Castle Square or County Hall steps . Why create an issue when as far as I'm aware in Swansea there isn't one.

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 09:15 - Aug 10 with 637 viewsonehunglow

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:37 - Aug 9 by raynor94

Planned pro immigration rally in Swansea on Sunday


Does Swanse@ need more immigrants
Are there jobs that we cannot fill by locals
Folk from the colonies were encouraged to come here for that reason and especially the dirty jobs out lot wouldnā€™t do.
Carers now seem all ā€œ of colourā€ . Is that evidence that our people are too lazy, or feckless to do these vital but dirty jobs for people who canā€™t care for themselves ,often ousted by their own families because they wonā€™t care for them themselves .

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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 10:39 - Aug 10 with 576 viewsAnotherJohn

Unfortunately, it is true that many people from ethnic minorities in Swansea are worried at the moment. I helped a Chinese friend of my wife with a visa application for an overseas visit just yesterday, and she was telling me that she takes care about where she goes now. This particular lady works and is also supported by remittances from a husband who works abroad, and should not be a target. However, I agree with the view that a "counter-demonstration" in Swansea is very unhelpful right now, because it will add to the perception that we have more of a problem than presently exists here. The last "anti-fascist" protesters I remember seeing in Castle Square were considerably more intimidating than a small group of (idiotic) middle-aged men clad in black that they were trying to get their hands on.

Re OH's question above, I'm not sure. I know quite a few Asians (mainly wives of Brits) who do work in the care homes sector, and there are certainly a lot of overseas health professionals around, but at the same time I feel we should be able to cope while ratcheting back on overall immigration numbers. The question I ask myself, taking account of the very large population increase we've had in recent years, is: Did the many immigrants who arrived decide they no longer want to work in the shortage occupations? It seems almost like an endless conveyor belt where large numbers of people arrive to fill vacancies, but there is always a need for more.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 11:49 - Aug 10 with 529 viewsWhiterockin

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 22:37 - Aug 9 by raynor94

Planned pro immigration rally in Swansea on Sunday


Local posters should be very, very careful what they post in the next 48 hours or so.
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šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 12:28 - Aug 10 with 456 viewsonehunglow

šŸ”„Blackpool hotting up Is this really civil war ? on 10:39 - Aug 10 by AnotherJohn

Unfortunately, it is true that many people from ethnic minorities in Swansea are worried at the moment. I helped a Chinese friend of my wife with a visa application for an overseas visit just yesterday, and she was telling me that she takes care about where she goes now. This particular lady works and is also supported by remittances from a husband who works abroad, and should not be a target. However, I agree with the view that a "counter-demonstration" in Swansea is very unhelpful right now, because it will add to the perception that we have more of a problem than presently exists here. The last "anti-fascist" protesters I remember seeing in Castle Square were considerably more intimidating than a small group of (idiotic) middle-aged men clad in black that they were trying to get their hands on.

Re OH's question above, I'm not sure. I know quite a few Asians (mainly wives of Brits) who do work in the care homes sector, and there are certainly a lot of overseas health professionals around, but at the same time I feel we should be able to cope while ratcheting back on overall immigration numbers. The question I ask myself, taking account of the very large population increase we've had in recent years, is: Did the many immigrants who arrived decide they no longer want to work in the shortage occupations? It seems almost like an endless conveyor belt where large numbers of people arrive to fill vacancies, but there is always a need for more.
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My point is ,these cretins bemoan immigration when their offspring havenā€™t the humanity to take on difficult dirty jobs .
Too many here want an easy life with all the benefits but with no responsibilities

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