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Could it be those who voted Labour will,before long,bitterly regret doing so Pensions strangled Taxes hiked up. Immigration unchecked Prisoners let loose on the streets countryside destroyed by new housing
Next general election. on 13:05 - Aug 2 by onehunglow
Millions voted as they did on a least worst basis. Once Tories find some backbone and honesty ,they will get back in, not in Wales though,obviously .
Those who voted Labour will vote Labour again. They did not win this election because more people voted for them. They won because fewer people voted Tory.
Whether they will swap back is the question.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Next general election. on 13:33 - Aug 2 with 2097 views
Next general election. on 13:26 - Aug 2 by Dr_Winston
Those who voted Labour will vote Labour again. They did not win this election because more people voted for them. They won because fewer people voted Tory.
Whether they will swap back is the question.
There's nobody in the Tory party with any leadership credentials.
Labour couldn't have inherited a bigger mess and Starmer could barely have started his premiership at a worse time.
I think a smaller labour majority next time and reform will lose seats back to the Tories when people realise they're basically one trick ponies and that trick isn't really an issue.
Hopefully labour will begin to deliver some improvement although it's like trying to turn a supertanker in a cul de sac. It'll have to be paid for to.
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Next general election. on 13:40 - Aug 2 with 2096 views
Next general election. on 13:26 - Aug 2 by Dr_Winston
Those who voted Labour will vote Labour again. They did not win this election because more people voted for them. They won because fewer people voted Tory.
Whether they will swap back is the question.
Which is my point Right now, no sign of a real leader I think Badenhoch will get the job and I doubt if she could turn them around South Wales and the old industrial heartlands will,of course,vote Labour ,as they have been brought up to do so.
Next general election. on 13:40 - Aug 2 by onehunglow
Which is my point Right now, no sign of a real leader I think Badenhoch will get the job and I doubt if she could turn them around South Wales and the old industrial heartlands will,of course,vote Labour ,as they have been brought up to do so.
No, your point was to question whether those who voted for Labour will regret it. The evidence seems pretty unequivocal that they won't, as most people who voted Labour always do anyway.
The job of the next Tory leader is to attract back those who shifted to Reform or didn't vote at all. Labour voters won't, or shouldn't enter their thinking as they won't attract them anyway.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Next general election. on 13:40 - Aug 2 by onehunglow
Which is my point Right now, no sign of a real leader I think Badenhoch will get the job and I doubt if she could turn them around South Wales and the old industrial heartlands will,of course,vote Labour ,as they have been brought up to do so.
"Brought up to do?" That's a bit insulting and an assumption. Are you suggesting they can't think for themselves, and that you hare in some way superior, because that's how it came across?
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Next general election. on 14:34 - Aug 2 with 2027 views
There are a few policy announcements that I find unsettling; the change in nomenclature from illegal to irregular migration, the decision not to go ahead with the raised income requirement for immigrant work visas, the dropping of the planned Freedom of Speech Act., the generosity of the early public sector pay settlements. It seems that the woke wing of the party and the unions are having an influence. And then as an older person there are the dark clouds gathering over pensioners.
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Next general election. on 14:47 - Aug 2 with 2013 views
Next general election. on 14:34 - Aug 2 by AnotherJohn
There are a few policy announcements that I find unsettling; the change in nomenclature from illegal to irregular migration, the decision not to go ahead with the raised income requirement for immigrant work visas, the dropping of the planned Freedom of Speech Act., the generosity of the early public sector pay settlements. It seems that the woke wing of the party and the unions are having an influence. And then as an older person there are the dark clouds gathering over pensioners.
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Lets hope we still have a country after 5 years of Labour rule.
Next general election. on 14:47 - Aug 2 by Flashberryjack
Lets hope we still have a country after 5 years of Labour rule.
After decades of rule by Labour or Tory we are lucky t have country at all. Both of them have gotten us here.
FAO Whiterockin...oh ye of too much faith!
Labour have a lot of tory mess to clean up, it would be better for them if they didn't go making any messes of their own in the meanwhile. As we all know and/or have seen though, politicians have a great ability to not see or admit that their po,icies are wrong, sometimes disastrous until after the disaster is so bright and clear they could see it on the dark side of the moon.
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Next general election. on 16:52 - Aug 2 with 1878 views
"Brought up to do?" That's a bit insulting and an assumption. Are you suggesting they can't think for themselves, and that you hare in some way superior, because that's how it came across?
I would absolutely suggest that a significant chunk of the voting population cannot think for themselves.
Next general election. on 14:34 - Aug 2 by AnotherJohn
There are a few policy announcements that I find unsettling; the change in nomenclature from illegal to irregular migration, the decision not to go ahead with the raised income requirement for immigrant work visas, the dropping of the planned Freedom of Speech Act., the generosity of the early public sector pay settlements. It seems that the woke wing of the party and the unions are having an influence. And then as an older person there are the dark clouds gathering over pensioners.
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You've been reading my mind Much will change and not always for the best Hope we all hang around to see
I would absolutely suggest that a significant chunk of the voting population cannot think for themselves.
On both sides.
I have more time for people who grow up wealthy and become genuinely socialist, or those who grow up in poor circumstances and become Tory. It shows the capacity for independent thought.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Next general election. on 17:45 - Aug 2 with 1836 views
It’s early days and there’s a long way to go. Some difficult decisions now may pave the way for more generous times in 2 or 3 years time, blame the tories, some tough medicine, a big improve,ent in a year or 2 and they’ll crow till the cows come home.
The bottom line is Starmer has to be focussed on the future now, immigration is a huge issue for lots of people and he has to grasp the nettle. There are other issues too, but if he can improve the NHS, get the spending sorted and grip immigration he’ll be in with a good chance as it will take the legs from under the Tories and Reform.
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Next general election. on 17:53 - Aug 2 with 1815 views
Next general election. on 17:39 - Aug 2 by Dr_Winston
On both sides.
I have more time for people who grow up wealthy and become genuinely socialist, or those who grow up in poor circumstances and become Tory. It shows the capacity for independent thought.
Like in this clip 😉
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Next general election. on 18:00 - Aug 2 with 1810 views
Next general election. on 17:47 - Aug 2 by majorraglan
It’s early days and there’s a long way to go. Some difficult decisions now may pave the way for more generous times in 2 or 3 years time, blame the tories, some tough medicine, a big improve,ent in a year or 2 and they’ll crow till the cows come home.
The bottom line is Starmer has to be focussed on the future now, immigration is a huge issue for lots of people and he has to grasp the nettle. There are other issues too, but if he can improve the NHS, get the spending sorted and grip immigration he’ll be in with a good chance as it will take the legs from under the Tories and Reform.
If you say immigration is an issue you get labelled Far Right. That is part of the problem we have, we are alienating people rather than addressing people's concerns.
Next general election. on 18:00 - Aug 2 by JACKMANANDBOY
If you say immigration is an issue you get labelled Far Right. That is part of the problem we have, we are alienating people rather than addressing people's concerns.
Next general election. on 18:00 - Aug 2 by JACKMANANDBOY
If you say immigration is an issue you get labelled Far Right. That is part of the problem we have, we are alienating people rather than addressing people's concerns.
Immigration is an issue we need to address. The first problem though is that we rely on immigrants to do a lot of work others won't do.
The term "far right" is bandied about too much, I may be seen as captain woke on here, but ignoring obviously stupid concerns people have does more harm than good. Immigration is one, but I am disgusted a transgender woman is boxing as a woman in the Olympics.
We need to cut out the extreme right, left, LGBTQ activists, climate protesters and concentrate on sensible arguments in the middle.
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Next general election. on 19:55 - Aug 2 with 1698 views
Next general election. on 18:00 - Aug 2 by JACKMANANDBOY
If you say immigration is an issue you get labelled Far Right. That is part of the problem we have, we are alienating people rather than addressing people's concerns.
I wouldn’t agree with all your statement, there’s plenty of scope to have a sensible conversation about the benefits immigration brings, the disadvantages and where the balance should be. The problem we have is with the zealots and the extremists at both ends.
We wouldn’t have a functioning NHS, care sector, agricultural sector, food processing sector without immigration. There are many jobs Brits won’t do, in some cases it’s because people can’t be bothered but there are occasions where people don’t just get the chance. I agree with you about alienation, our political class have left us down, immigration over the last 2 years has been enormous, net increases of 3/4 of a million in both years, but we’re not building roads, we’re not building houses, we’re not building hospitals in fact we’re not doing much of anything. The price of houses has gone through the roof, they are at historically high levels and unaffordable for many. The cost to wage is at record levels and people are unhappy and disillusioned.
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Next general election. on 20:05 - Aug 2 with 1662 views
Immigration is an issue we need to address. The first problem though is that we rely on immigrants to do a lot of work others won't do.
The term "far right" is bandied about too much, I may be seen as captain woke on here, but ignoring obviously stupid concerns people have does more harm than good. Immigration is one, but I am disgusted a transgender woman is boxing as a woman in the Olympics.
We need to cut out the extreme right, left, LGBTQ activists, climate protesters and concentrate on sensible arguments in the middle.
The perceived middle has moved over to the right, Labour under Starmer and Reeves have moved over to the right, the so called centre left is the actual middle ground, for example Plaid nearly always finds themselves in the middle, Labour pre and post Corbyn right out on the right.
If you want to know the state of the Overton Window in the UK, this is how each party represented in the House of Commons as of May 2024 gets placed on the political compass, based on their manifestos. #generalelections2024pic.twitter.com/RNbEeZlyLf
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