| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? 15:35 - Jul 28 with 4374 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have a big lad up top already and he was not used. Was this for tactical or discipline/ commitment reasons? This has not been explored.
Sidebeh looks short strong and fast and may be able to convert crosses that in house players cannot.
The other alternative is a specialist aerial player like Llorente was. He was good enough to put Liverpool on the backside in a passing team. Mykola could be that player.
A player who can run play with his feet and athletic is Sory Kaba considered by a number of Championship clubs. Mobile athletic and powerful. A player like this I would like to see. |  |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 14:19 - Jul 29 with 1665 views | RichardO |
Would take a Danny Graham type CF at the drop of a hat, surely there must be a couple of good players in the lower leagues who would jump at the chance to play for the Swansea whose contract is at a pivotal point in the terms of that contract, a case of would or could Swansea put up the funds needed. |  | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 14:22 - Jul 29 with 1651 views | onehunglow |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 14:19 - Jul 29 by RichardO |
Would take a Danny Graham type CF at the drop of a hat, surely there must be a couple of good players in the lower leagues who would jump at the chance to play for the Swansea whose contract is at a pivotal point in the terms of that contract, a case of would or could Swansea put up the funds needed. |
Right now, anyone would be welcome
are we actually going into the first game with no striker .
And Cullen is not a “ striker”
Just shocking | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 18:28 - Jul 29 with 1530 views | QJumpingJack |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 14:22 - Jul 29 by onehunglow |
Right now, anyone would be welcome
are we actually going into the first game with no striker .
And Cullen is not a “ striker”
Just shocking |
if Swansea signed three "decent/championship" strikers today - it will take close to a month for them to settle in.
I worry that we are sleepwalking into panic mode in the last week of the transfer window. Middlesborough, Preston and Cardiff are not easy fixtures. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 18:33 - Jul 29 with 1525 views | scruffyjack |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 18:23 - Jul 28 by swan65split |
Another Jason Scotland will do me. |
Quality two footed striker, but a lot of our own used to call him lazy! You couldn’t make it up. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 18:49 - Jul 29 with 1497 views | onehunglow |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 18:28 - Jul 29 by QJumpingJack |
if Swansea signed three "decent/championship" strikers today - it will take close to a month for them to settle in.
I worry that we are sleepwalking into panic mode in the last week of the transfer window. Middlesborough, Preston and Cardiff are not easy fixtures. |
Exactly.
It’s basic stuff
We were promised much by Lukey
Colour me cynical
He’d better start making waves or he will end up sacked by Christmas,if we are bottom of the league ,which is possible . | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:03 - Jul 29 with 1425 views | QJumpingJack |
Hopefully ahead of the new season - a journo will ask Luke about whether we bid for Wagstaff and if we matched Millwall's bid. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:12 - Jul 29 with 1418 views | KeithHaynes |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:03 - Jul 29 by QJumpingJack |
Hopefully ahead of the new season - a journo will ask Luke about whether we bid for Wagstaff and if we matched Millwall's bid. |
He will tow the party line. Or state he isn’t in for players with big salary demands. |  |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:36 - Jul 29 with 1375 views | QJumpingJack |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:12 - Jul 29 by KeithHaynes |
He will tow the party line. Or state he isn’t in for players with big salary demands. |
take me back to 34 years ago this Summer where Doug Sharpe spent over £500k on Jimmy Gilligan and Terry Connor from Portsmouth. Both players who could score for fun. | | | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:46 - Jul 29 with 1351 views | SullutaCreturned |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:01 - Jul 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Gyorkeres was on a 12 month loan to get game time. Cooper rated him behind ordinary players like Lowe and Cullen.
It is clear Brighton recalled him and sent to Coventry instead because Cooper did not play the man. We all knew he wanted players he knew like Petersen but he did not play him either.
The contract is unbeknown by me but clearly had a call back option. Brighton would have contacted Swansea and asked if they were going to play the man more. The answer was "Coops" wants Keinan Davis"..
Cooper screwed up big time. He played Surridge a lot more but Vic was shown the door. He did well and is a good manager but made a howler with Vic which is becoming painfully obvious day by day.
Facts are fine and simple people deal in simple facts. Interpretation needs thought and consideration. That is the service I offer on here for free. I welcome other opinions. Plain facts are already well known. |
And what if Cooper had played him more and he started scoring regularly, what do you think would have happened then?
He wouldn't have stayed here, we wouldn't have bought him, it's possible they'd have recalled him then too and sent him to a higher placed team OR sold him for a good sum.
He was never our player whichever way it went and never would have been.
Another dig eh, calling people simple. A fact is a fact and maybe you should try using more instead of making stuff up. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:06 - Jul 29 with 1303 views | Dr_Winston |
If we try to sign players the club can afford, we get a slagging. If we end up running a deficit because we've signed players the club can't afford, we get a slagging. Who'd be a club owner eh?
I'd rather us remain in existence living within our means than spend ourselves into the shite to satisfy ungrateful buggers who will whinge and moan anyway. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:16 - Jul 29 with 1290 views | union_jack |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:46 - Jul 29 by SullutaCreturned |
And what if Cooper had played him more and he started scoring regularly, what do you think would have happened then?
He wouldn't have stayed here, we wouldn't have bought him, it's possible they'd have recalled him then too and sent him to a higher placed team OR sold him for a good sum.
He was never our player whichever way it went and never would have been.
Another dig eh, calling people simple. A fact is a fact and maybe you should try using more instead of making stuff up. |
Or better still, never mention his bloody name again. |  |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:23 - Jul 29 with 1277 views | magicdaps10 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:06 - Jul 29 by Dr_Winston |
If we try to sign players the club can afford, we get a slagging. If we end up running a deficit because we've signed players the club can't afford, we get a slagging. Who'd be a club owner eh?
I'd rather us remain in existence living within our means than spend ourselves into the shite to satisfy ungrateful buggers who will whinge and moan anyway. |
Lucky the club have told us that they have worked hard for this window for months knowing they can't compete with certain clubs.
Their hard work is looking good so far......oh wait 😂
Big month not just for the team but also for the ones who talked up their work behind the scenes. |  |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 22:50 - Jul 29 with 1224 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:46 - Jul 29 by SullutaCreturned |
And what if Cooper had played him more and he started scoring regularly, what do you think would have happened then?
He wouldn't have stayed here, we wouldn't have bought him, it's possible they'd have recalled him then too and sent him to a higher placed team OR sold him for a good sum.
He was never our player whichever way it went and never would have been.
Another dig eh, calling people simple. A fact is a fact and maybe you should try using more instead of making stuff up. |
What happened at Coventry would have happened at Swansea simple. It looks as if it was a loan to buy deal. They would be £20m better off in in a much better place.
People saying Swansea had no choice to let him go because Brighton recalled him is 'simplistic' thinking. It is not a dig.
Cooper left him out because he did not want the player he wanted the vastly inferior keinan Davis. Manages are like this. Cooper is a good manager but made a howler. He was not working in the clubs best long term interests and broke his contract 6 months later. | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 09:55 - Jul 30 with 1110 views | RichardO |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 22:50 - Jul 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What happened at Coventry would have happened at Swansea simple. It looks as if it was a loan to buy deal. They would be £20m better off in in a much better place.
People saying Swansea had no choice to let him go because Brighton recalled him is 'simplistic' thinking. It is not a dig.
Cooper left him out because he did not want the player he wanted the vastly inferior keinan Davis. Manages are like this. Cooper is a good manager but made a howler. He was not working in the clubs best long term interests and broke his contract 6 months later. |
Gyokeres said he didn't want to stay at Swansea because he wasn't getting game time in the short 3 months he was here being back up to Lowe and Ayew so he asked his parent club to recall him, he was also aware of two new loans coming in from America, so wanted out, Cooper wasn't happy to lose him as he didn't want the Americans given they had no experience of the EFL Spin it anyway you want.
Maybe the final straw for Cooper was the lack of replacement for Gibbs-White who had the unfortunate injury and the loss of Gallagher being replaced by Hourihane who wasn't the needed dynamic box to box midfielder to compliment Grimes and Fulton.
The club got the type of player Cooper wanted in Downes but Cooper,gone.
Is it a case of the club staff getting the players that managers wanted but at times the owners not being prepared to stump up the cash, as was the case with Clucas the deal wasn't going to go through unless to make up the cash short fall we added our only left back Kinsley.Such a poor deal.
Deals not being made because of cash issues but poor descions are being made.
Are managers feeling they are not being supported which in Martin's case he needed to prove himself after an abysmal run improving later in the season but not enough to push the club to extend his contract which they might have done a couple of months into the new season if results were positive but Martin was not prepared to take that chance, gone.
Perhaps Cooper and Martin knew they were going to lose vital players and so couldn't build the teams they wanted within their contracts time scales, Gone.
William's may be able to build on what he has but the owners need to ensure he can in the time span he is here, first season(excluding his brief tenure last season) to make the foundation and next season push on to promotion. Quite a big ask given that previous promotions have been build on the gradual rise through the leagues with the teams quality being improved over a number of years. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 10:54 - Jul 30 with 1076 views | hobo |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 20:03 - Jul 29 by QJumpingJack |
Hopefully ahead of the new season - a journo will ask Luke about whether we bid for Wagstaff and if we matched Millwall's bid. |
We weren't in for him. Big question marks whether he can make the step up |  | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:01 - Jul 30 with 1009 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 09:55 - Jul 30 by RichardO |
Gyokeres said he didn't want to stay at Swansea because he wasn't getting game time in the short 3 months he was here being back up to Lowe and Ayew so he asked his parent club to recall him, he was also aware of two new loans coming in from America, so wanted out, Cooper wasn't happy to lose him as he didn't want the Americans given they had no experience of the EFL Spin it anyway you want.
Maybe the final straw for Cooper was the lack of replacement for Gibbs-White who had the unfortunate injury and the loss of Gallagher being replaced by Hourihane who wasn't the needed dynamic box to box midfielder to compliment Grimes and Fulton.
The club got the type of player Cooper wanted in Downes but Cooper,gone.
Is it a case of the club staff getting the players that managers wanted but at times the owners not being prepared to stump up the cash, as was the case with Clucas the deal wasn't going to go through unless to make up the cash short fall we added our only left back Kinsley.Such a poor deal.
Deals not being made because of cash issues but poor descions are being made.
Are managers feeling they are not being supported which in Martin's case he needed to prove himself after an abysmal run improving later in the season but not enough to push the club to extend his contract which they might have done a couple of months into the new season if results were positive but Martin was not prepared to take that chance, gone.
Perhaps Cooper and Martin knew they were going to lose vital players and so couldn't build the teams they wanted within their contracts time scales, Gone.
William's may be able to build on what he has but the owners need to ensure he can in the time span he is here, first season(excluding his brief tenure last season) to make the foundation and next season push on to promotion. Quite a big ask given that previous promotions have been build on the gradual rise through the leagues with the teams quality being improved over a number of years. |
Gallagher had gone the previous season. Cooper was given world class players and no reason to complain about anything. Players get injured its life.
Gyorkeres, Gibbs White, Guehi alongside side ,Ayew Grimes Woodman was a dream for Championship managers.
The previous season Gallagher Brewster Guehi with VdH Grimes Woodman and others.
"Last straw"? | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:17 - Jul 30 with 981 views | howenjack |
If the club are looking for bargains then surely they have to look at areas of the world that could provide rich pickings for less. Even league 1 's top players are seemingly being overlooked due to wage demands etc.
How about south America ? - countries there are in economic turmoil to a certain extent and there must be professionals there looking for out. Peru has an annual salary average for Football professionals of circa 35000 solers that's around £7000 ! annual bonuses are around £180 !! The Trust could buy a whole club probably ! Venezuela's turning into a basket case there must be good players there we could bring over ?? Likewise Chile / Colombia ?? We now have Ronald there must be more out there like him? I think we We need some South American scouting . | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:26 - Jul 30 with 967 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:17 - Jul 30 by howenjack |
If the club are looking for bargains then surely they have to look at areas of the world that could provide rich pickings for less. Even league 1 's top players are seemingly being overlooked due to wage demands etc.
How about south America ? - countries there are in economic turmoil to a certain extent and there must be professionals there looking for out. Peru has an annual salary average for Football professionals of circa 35000 solers that's around £7000 ! annual bonuses are around £180 !! The Trust could buy a whole club probably ! Venezuela's turning into a basket case there must be good players there we could bring over ?? Likewise Chile / Colombia ?? We now have Ronald there must be more out there like him? I think we We need some South American scouting . |
Old players can be used if they are friendly with the club. A little fee here and there to help as non contract scouts. Ki seems to have been involved with Eom. They can at least give the contracted scout the " heads up" .
I wonder if Montero or his agent was anything to do with the Govea brothers from Ecuador.
Swansea's Brazilian came via Portugal leagues. Let the Portuguese do the base work then buy cheaply those like Ronald who are of no interest to Porto Benfica and Sporting but talented nevertheless. | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 09:23 - Jul 31 with 798 views | RichardO |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 13:01 - Jul 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Gallagher had gone the previous season. Cooper was given world class players and no reason to complain about anything. Players get injured its life.
Gyorkeres, Gibbs White, Guehi alongside side ,Ayew Grimes Woodman was a dream for Championship managers.
The previous season Gallagher Brewster Guehi with VdH Grimes Woodman and others.
"Last straw"? |
Fully aware Gallaghers 6 month stint with us was before Gibbs-White two are three game stint the following year so neither on them were world class at the time and say the only one who made an impact eventually was Guehi in his second season with us.
Brewster again was with us only Six months or so again world class and how much impact.
VdH was in his last year with us and in his last few games you could see he had dialled back his commitment levels didn't he get injured towards the back end of that season.
Woodman world class? Not exactly pulling up trees at the moment a good goalie yes but.
The following season Guehi with world class players Gibbs-White don't think so as Gibbs-White only played a handful of games, injured and was gone by January, Gyokeres three months gone by Jamuary. Ayew struggled to make an impact on his return to the club and was unable to keep us in the Premier league, still an excellent player bit in the end it was Connor Roberts who ended up having to help his game as well as Naughton's with his workrate in both attack and defence.
Grimes has been covered and it is all about players strengths and weaknesses and how they fit into a team.
The last Straw for Cooper was he knew he would struggle with the squad he would have at the end of the season and he left, bit of a shame because the team ended up with the quality up front and the midfield he was looking for. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 19:26 - Aug 1 with 637 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 09:23 - Jul 31 by RichardO |
Fully aware Gallaghers 6 month stint with us was before Gibbs-White two are three game stint the following year so neither on them were world class at the time and say the only one who made an impact eventually was Guehi in his second season with us.
Brewster again was with us only Six months or so again world class and how much impact.
VdH was in his last year with us and in his last few games you could see he had dialled back his commitment levels didn't he get injured towards the back end of that season.
Woodman world class? Not exactly pulling up trees at the moment a good goalie yes but.
The following season Guehi with world class players Gibbs-White don't think so as Gibbs-White only played a handful of games, injured and was gone by January, Gyokeres three months gone by Jamuary. Ayew struggled to make an impact on his return to the club and was unable to keep us in the Premier league, still an excellent player bit in the end it was Connor Roberts who ended up having to help his game as well as Naughton's with his workrate in both attack and defence.
Grimes has been covered and it is all about players strengths and weaknesses and how they fit into a team.
The last Straw for Cooper was he knew he would struggle with the squad he would have at the end of the season and he left, bit of a shame because the team ended up with the quality up front and the midfield he was looking for. |
For the age they were world class. It was Coopers job to get the best out of them. They were developing into real good players and Brewster was hot as well at the time.
Cooper wanted the unlimited funds he had at Forest and he blew a mountain of cash and was unable to keep them up. Cooper will argue he was not involved in the signings of players like Shelvey on £70k a week. Managers always a want more and suk if they do not get it then distance themselves from the flops.
Cooper had a great centre forward in his group available for pennies and did not see his potential and develop it. This is what Robbins did at Coventry. Cooper was a short termer using the club as a stepping stone. Robbins is a long term developer.
There was no "last straw". Once the parachutes were gone Cooper wanted out. He saw himself too good for Swansea while Robins builds at Coventry. | |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:11 - Aug 1 with 556 views | RichardO |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 19:26 - Aug 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
For the age they were world class. It was Coopers job to get the best out of them. They were developing into real good players and Brewster was hot as well at the time.
Cooper wanted the unlimited funds he had at Forest and he blew a mountain of cash and was unable to keep them up. Cooper will argue he was not involved in the signings of players like Shelvey on £70k a week. Managers always a want more and suk if they do not get it then distance themselves from the flops.
Cooper had a great centre forward in his group available for pennies and did not see his potential and develop it. This is what Robbins did at Coventry. Cooper was a short termer using the club as a stepping stone. Robbins is a long term developer.
There was no "last straw". Once the parachutes were gone Cooper wanted out. He saw himself too good for Swansea while Robins builds at Coventry. |
Difference of opinion I'm afraid about players on loan most for only 6 mobths or less and club in different circumstances to Robbins Coventry who are still in the sane league as us. Will agree about Cooper and parachute payments, Guehi was 100 percent needed after the loss of VdH but the misuse of good player who were ours because loan players were drafted in. | | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:13 - Aug 1 with 555 views | Whiterockin |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 19:26 - Aug 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
For the age they were world class. It was Coopers job to get the best out of them. They were developing into real good players and Brewster was hot as well at the time.
Cooper wanted the unlimited funds he had at Forest and he blew a mountain of cash and was unable to keep them up. Cooper will argue he was not involved in the signings of players like Shelvey on £70k a week. Managers always a want more and suk if they do not get it then distance themselves from the flops.
Cooper had a great centre forward in his group available for pennies and did not see his potential and develop it. This is what Robbins did at Coventry. Cooper was a short termer using the club as a stepping stone. Robbins is a long term developer.
There was no "last straw". Once the parachutes were gone Cooper wanted out. He saw himself too good for Swansea while Robins builds at Coventry. |
What team was Cooper unable to keep up? |  | | |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:54 - Aug 1 with 501 views | max936 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:13 - Aug 1 by Whiterockin |
What team was Cooper unable to keep up? |
Copper had no say on the players Forest brought in, they were brought in by their Football Manager expert the owner, he had so many players on his hands he couldn't even get a seat in the canteen.
Much like Potter at Chelsea, but lets not get actual facts in the way of a good yarn by the usual dreamer! |  |
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| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 23:05 - Aug 1 with 461 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What type of centre forward do Swansea need? on 21:54 - Aug 1 by max936 |
Copper had no say on the players Forest brought in, they were brought in by their Football Manager expert the owner, he had so many players on his hands he couldn't even get a seat in the canteen.
Much like Potter at Chelsea, but lets not get actual facts in the way of a good yarn by the usual dreamer! |
Cooper is never happy like most managers. At Swansea he had a very big say in who came in left almost all of them was known to him through his u17 England stint.
The US owners gave him a who's who of promising English footballers plus Ayew on huge money. At Forest he has very little say it seems. No complaints there. No 'last straw'. He was sacked before any "last straw".
He apparently left Swansea who had tried to keep him happy after he had "no centre forward" on the January window after the player he mistreated Gyorkeres was recalled.
Potters signing were desperate at Swansea and he was fully to blame.
When you have remote US owner then the managers play the crowd and claim to have been forced to leave for their careers. This forum laps it up. Managers are never to blame.
Pochettino walked. Cooper and Potter toed the line said nothing and waited to be sacked and collect a large pay off. | |
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