| Paris 2024 on 12:26 - Aug 10 with 867 views | Gwyn737 |
This issue does need sorting.
I stand by my original opinion that she shouldn’t have been able to compete for safety reasons.
However, if the definition of a woman is an adult female with a cervix who can have children, she seems to tick all those boxes.
Imagine if Fatima Whitbread was competing now… |  | |  |
| Paris 2024 on 12:29 - Aug 10 with 861 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 12:26 - Aug 10 by Gwyn737 |
This issue does need sorting.
I stand by my original opinion that she shouldn’t have been able to compete for safety reasons.
However, if the definition of a woman is an adult female with a cervix who can have children, she seems to tick all those boxes.
Imagine if Fatima Whitbread was competing now… |
It’s a case if testosterone
She failed the test | |
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| Paris 2024 on 12:40 - Aug 10 with 827 views | Gwyn737 |
| Paris 2024 on 12:29 - Aug 10 by onehunglow |
It’s a case if testosterone
She failed the test |
And I’m happy with that.
Saying she’s not a woman is a different thing. | | | |
| Paris 2024 on 13:24 - Aug 10 with 816 views | union_jack |
| Paris 2024 on 12:40 - Aug 10 by Gwyn737 |
And I’m happy with that.
Saying she’s not a woman is a different thing. |
She is biologically in that she has all the required bits and bobs and it’s not her fault.
BUT, this is a dangerous sport that needs additional regulations to ensure safety.
It’s tough in the two girls in question but safety must come first. |  |
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| Paris 2024 on 14:15 - Aug 10 with 782 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 12:40 - Aug 10 by Gwyn737 |
And I’m happy with that.
Saying she’s not a woman is a different thing. |
She is not a woman as most would see .
Fact | |
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| Paris 2024 on 15:09 - Aug 10 with 753 views | theloneranger |
| Paris 2024 on 14:15 - Aug 10 by onehunglow |
She is not a woman as most would see .
Fact |
FACT ...
Since 2018 -2023 she's boxed in many tournaments, losing and winning some - No complaints.
She boxed at the Tokyo Olympics, she was defeated by Ireland's Kellie Harrington in the quarterfinals. - No complaints.
Her trouble started at the 2023 IBA Women's World Boxing Championships. She got to the final, but was disqualified after allegations from the Russian-led International Boxing Association's (IBA) that Khelif had failed unspecified eligibility tests.
Days earlier Khelif defeated Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian prospect. The disqualification restored the Russian boxer's undefeated record.
First off they said her testosterone levels were too high - then in 2023, IBA president Umar Kremlev said that the disqualifications were because DNA tests "proved she had XY chromosomes"
On 31 July 2024, regarding their 2023 decision, the IBA alleged that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential", and further alleged that they "were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors"
These tests are so confidential, that nobody outside this Russian IBA has never seen them!!
The Russian IBA's Olympic status was revoked in June 2023, due to governance issues and judging and refereeing corruption.
So, before her winning against an unbeaten Russian prospect - the boxing world, and social media took no interest the "2024 Olympic Gold Medal winner - Imane Khelif" |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Paris 2024 on 16:41 - Aug 10 with 705 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Paris 2024 on 10:36 - Aug 10 by controversial_jack |
It's actually a woman, but you never let facts get in the way |
Not according to the World boxing body who banned him from competing as he had XY chromosome which is the definition of a man.
He may Identify as a woman but he is still a man.
I know the Old USSR regularly put men I some of the women's field events before genetic tests were available. They all disappeared from competitive athletics once the tests were available. | |
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| Paris 2024 on 16:45 - Aug 10 with 704 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 15:09 - Aug 10 by theloneranger |
FACT ...
Since 2018 -2023 she's boxed in many tournaments, losing and winning some - No complaints.
She boxed at the Tokyo Olympics, she was defeated by Ireland's Kellie Harrington in the quarterfinals. - No complaints.
Her trouble started at the 2023 IBA Women's World Boxing Championships. She got to the final, but was disqualified after allegations from the Russian-led International Boxing Association's (IBA) that Khelif had failed unspecified eligibility tests.
Days earlier Khelif defeated Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian prospect. The disqualification restored the Russian boxer's undefeated record.
First off they said her testosterone levels were too high - then in 2023, IBA president Umar Kremlev said that the disqualifications were because DNA tests "proved she had XY chromosomes"
On 31 July 2024, regarding their 2023 decision, the IBA alleged that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential", and further alleged that they "were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors"
These tests are so confidential, that nobody outside this Russian IBA has never seen them!!
The Russian IBA's Olympic status was revoked in June 2023, due to governance issues and judging and refereeing corruption.
So, before her winning against an unbeaten Russian prospect - the boxing world, and social media took no interest the "2024 Olympic Gold Medal winner - Imane Khelif" |
Fact
She is not a female as we would know | |
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| Paris 2024 on 16:56 - Aug 10 with 692 views | Gwyn737 |
| Paris 2024 on 16:41 - Aug 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Not according to the World boxing body who banned him from competing as he had XY chromosome which is the definition of a man.
He may Identify as a woman but he is still a man.
I know the Old USSR regularly put men I some of the women's field events before genetic tests were available. They all disappeared from competitive athletics once the tests were available. |
A man who can have babies? | | | |
| Paris 2024 on 17:34 - Aug 10 with 661 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 16:56 - Aug 10 by Gwyn737 |
A man who can have babies? |
And can you imagine that ? | |
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| Paris 2024 on 17:40 - Aug 10 with 658 views | theloneranger |
| Paris 2024 on 16:41 - Aug 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Not according to the World boxing body who banned him from competing as he had XY chromosome which is the definition of a man.
He may Identify as a woman but he is still a man.
I know the Old USSR regularly put men I some of the women's field events before genetic tests were available. They all disappeared from competitive athletics once the tests were available. |
Which World Boxing body?? | |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Paris 2024 on 17:55 - Aug 10 with 640 views | theloneranger |
| Paris 2024 on 12:29 - Aug 10 by onehunglow |
It’s a case if testosterone
She failed the test |
"On 31 July 2024, regarding their 2023 decision, the IBA alleged that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination" ... | |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Paris 2024 on 19:56 - Aug 10 with 594 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 17:55 - Aug 10 by theloneranger |
"On 31 July 2024, regarding their 2023 decision, the IBA alleged that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination" ... |
But would you ? | |
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| Paris 2024 on 19:59 - Aug 10 with 592 views | theloneranger |
| Paris 2024 on 19:56 - Aug 10 by onehunglow |
But would you ? |
Charming - so you were wrong about the testosterone - own it. | |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Paris 2024 on 20:51 - Aug 10 with 567 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Paris 2024 on 13:24 - Aug 10 by union_jack |
She is biologically in that she has all the required bits and bobs and it’s not her fault.
BUT, this is a dangerous sport that needs additional regulations to ensure safety.
It’s tough in the two girls in question but safety must come first. |
Reminds me of that sprinter a few years ago, she had all the bits and bobs, she had a vagina but also had internal functioning testicles.
I suspect there is a similar situation with this boxer. Of course her bits and bobs are her own business but there is a clear ethical discussion to have around cases of intersex individuals who are born and grow up as women but are often diagnosed late and benefit from the inate physical advantages of going through puberty with male bits. |  |
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| Paris 2024 on 08:43 - Aug 11 with 465 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 20:51 - Aug 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Reminds me of that sprinter a few years ago, she had all the bits and bobs, she had a vagina but also had internal functioning testicles.
I suspect there is a similar situation with this boxer. Of course her bits and bobs are her own business but there is a clear ethical discussion to have around cases of intersex individuals who are born and grow up as women but are often diagnosed late and benefit from the inate physical advantages of going through puberty with male bits. |
Caster Semenya
Now there was a runner
People should think about the other athletes
It ain’t fair | |
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| Paris 2024 on 12:48 - Aug 11 with 417 views | Dr_Winston |
Just one Gold Medal for GB in the Velodrome this time around. They'll be disappointed with that. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:10 - Aug 11 with 370 views | union_jack |
| Paris 2024 on 12:48 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston |
Just one Gold Medal for GB in the Velodrome this time around. They'll be disappointed with that. |
Indeed! We’ve just beaten our last haul of medals but I can’t help feeling disappointed by these games. Beaten by Australia hurts but the Netherlands!!! It’s gold that counts, we need to step it up for 2028.
Nit that they’re reading this but a massive well done to all who competed. An achievement of the highest standard just being there to compete. | |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:14 - Aug 11 with 361 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 13:10 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
Indeed! We’ve just beaten our last haul of medals but I can’t help feeling disappointed by these games. Beaten by Australia hurts but the Netherlands!!! It’s gold that counts, we need to step it up for 2028.
Nit that they’re reading this but a massive well done to all who competed. An achievement of the highest standard just being there to compete. |
Cycling is brutal. In many ways the hardest of all sports | |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:18 - Aug 11 with 357 views | Dr_Winston |
| Paris 2024 on 13:10 - Aug 11 by union_jack |
Indeed! We’ve just beaten our last haul of medals but I can’t help feeling disappointed by these games. Beaten by Australia hurts but the Netherlands!!! It’s gold that counts, we need to step it up for 2028.
Nit that they’re reading this but a massive well done to all who competed. An achievement of the highest standard just being there to compete. |
Rowing recovered from a poor Tokyo to deliver this time around. I'd be fairly confident in believing that the structures are in place to keep the conveyor belt of talent coming, which might not have been the case in years gone by.
A few people will be disappointed in themselves though, across the range of sports. Maybe a bit of pruning is required of those not quite up to it so the youth coming through have got a full Olympic cycle to gain experience. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:19 - Aug 11 with 355 views | raynor94 |
| Paris 2024 on 12:48 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston |
Just one Gold Medal for GB in the Velodrome this time around. They'll be disappointed with that. |
Laura Trott is a better cyclist than pundit, she predicted 8 golds for Great Britain 😊 |  |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:24 - Aug 11 with 349 views | onehunglow |
| Paris 2024 on 13:18 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston |
Rowing recovered from a poor Tokyo to deliver this time around. I'd be fairly confident in believing that the structures are in place to keep the conveyor belt of talent coming, which might not have been the case in years gone by.
A few people will be disappointed in themselves though, across the range of sports. Maybe a bit of pruning is required of those not quite up to it so the youth coming through have got a full Olympic cycle to gain experience. |
Quite a few near misses though and that shooting decision
I’ve enjoyed it .
Our field events is the real disappointment | |
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| Paris 2024 on 13:43 - Aug 11 with 332 views | union_jack |
| Paris 2024 on 20:51 - Aug 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Reminds me of that sprinter a few years ago, she had all the bits and bobs, she had a vagina but also had internal functioning testicles.
I suspect there is a similar situation with this boxer. Of course her bits and bobs are her own business but there is a clear ethical discussion to have around cases of intersex individuals who are born and grow up as women but are often diagnosed late and benefit from the inate physical advantages of going through puberty with male bits. |
Going from that description it sounds like she’s a lucky girl😂😂 | |
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| Paris 2024 on 14:00 - Aug 11 with 325 views | controversial_jack |
| Paris 2024 on 13:14 - Aug 11 by onehunglow |
Cycling is brutal. In many ways the hardest of all sports |
Stamina wise probably, Swimming the most technical and Judo requires the greatest depth of knowledge imo | | | |
| Paris 2024 on 14:11 - Aug 11 with 320 views | raynor94 |
| Paris 2024 on 14:00 - Aug 11 by controversial_jack |
Stamina wise probably, Swimming the most technical and Judo requires the greatest depth of knowledge imo |
I'm amazed the British Olympic authority don't hire you | |
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