| Life for Children today 09:02 - Jul 16 with 1505 views | onehunglow |
I get the impression most of us posters are “ mature” ,at least in years .
Just been watching a report on how ( under seven) children plan to spend their school summer holidays .It git me thinking of my early years in Swansea in the fifties and what a different life entirely I had to children now .
I thought it might be worth a discussion with there being no major sport this week.
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| Life for Children today on 13:00 - Jul 18 with 472 views | raynor94 |
Back on subject, a single Mother with 4 children on the news this morning complaining about the 2 child cap, and how she wouldn't be able to cope without the school providing breakfast for her children.
Im all for making sure children are being cared for in the right way but some people refuse to take responsibility for their actions |  |
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| Life for Children today on 14:10 - Jul 18 with 448 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 13:00 - Jul 18 by raynor94 |
Back on subject, a single Mother with 4 children on the news this morning complaining about the 2 child cap, and how she wouldn't be able to cope without the school providing breakfast for her children.
Im all for making sure children are being cared for in the right way but some people refuse to take responsibility for their actions |
100% right
My daughter has come across “ mother” who didn’t know it was Monday and kids go back to school then.
It is all,about parenting
That simple
Many kids refusing to go to school at all and looking for suspension.
This is why we have employment problems.
Too many of our kids leave school with the numeracy and literacy skills of the average 7 yr old India child.
Why?
Because they want to learn.
This is the core of our beings
We have created this monster by self indulgence and we should all feel shamed.
We’ve allowed this to happen | |
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| Life for Children today on 15:26 - Jul 18 with 428 views | howenjack |
| Life for Children today on 14:10 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
100% right
My daughter has come across “ mother” who didn’t know it was Monday and kids go back to school then.
It is all,about parenting
That simple
Many kids refusing to go to school at all and looking for suspension.
This is why we have employment problems.
Too many of our kids leave school with the numeracy and literacy skills of the average 7 yr old India child.
Why?
Because they want to learn.
This is the core of our beings
We have created this monster by self indulgence and we should all feel shamed.
We’ve allowed this to happen |
And in primary schools there is often a teacher , with an enhanced grade of pay as a result ,in charge of wiping little ones' bottoms because the parents have not invested the time and effort in training little Johnny to do so himself . So we are at a point where routinely some kids are treated like Henry the 8th by latterday grooms of the stool or rather grooms of the school.
In major cities for some children their very existence is about waking up alive the next day . Getting home from school without being attacked / mugged or worse. Not entering the wrong postcode or accidentally "dissing" someone on the way home .and not sitting on the top deck of the bus .Once indoors they lock themselves away until the next morning and idle the hours away on their laptops or social media. | | | |
| Life for Children today on 16:09 - Jul 18 with 410 views | Gwyn737 |
| Life for Children today on 14:10 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
100% right
My daughter has come across “ mother” who didn’t know it was Monday and kids go back to school then.
It is all,about parenting
That simple
Many kids refusing to go to school at all and looking for suspension.
This is why we have employment problems.
Too many of our kids leave school with the numeracy and literacy skills of the average 7 yr old India child.
Why?
Because they want to learn.
This is the core of our beings
We have created this monster by self indulgence and we should all feel shamed.
We’ve allowed this to happen |
'Too many of our kids leave school with the numeracy and literacy skills of the average 7 yr old India child.'
Really?
Here are this year's KS2 SATs that test across the Y3 - Y6 curriculum (so aged 7 - 11).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/key-stage-2-tests-2024-mathematics-te
If spelling, punctuation and grammar is your bag, try this one:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/key-stage-2-tests-2024-english-gramma | | | |
| Life for Children today on 16:14 - Jul 18 with 405 views | raynor94 |
Aren't Wales bottom of the Home Nations in Pisa test results for reading Gwyn? | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:03 - Jul 18 with 391 views | Gwyn737 |
| Life for Children today on 16:14 - Jul 18 by raynor94 |
Aren't Wales bottom of the Home Nations in Pisa test results for reading Gwyn? |
Yes Rayns,
The school systems are very different and I don’t know that much about the wales schools system so tend not to comment.
What I do know is that standards are better than in India! | | | |
| Life for Children today on 17:10 - Jul 18 with 388 views | raynor94 |
| Life for Children today on 17:03 - Jul 18 by Gwyn737 |
Yes Rayns,
The school systems are very different and I don’t know that much about the wales schools system so tend not to comment.
What I do know is that standards are better than in India! |
I heard it on the news earlier there doesn't seem to be a uniform method in Wales like England for reading | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:28 - Jul 18 with 383 views | onehunglow |
“ too” many.
Get it.
Are you telling me Indian children when given the chance are not more eager to learn than British kids
Check out Elaine Duckeley on today’s news vis a vis absenteeism in British schools .
Everything fine then.
Even a cursory glance at any forum you like will evidence a total ignorance of basic grammar
How many times do we see plurals with an apostrophe ,ie Nazis’s .
How many times is “ to” used instead of “too” and “ there” for their. This stuff was imbued into our children in the 50s and 60s in primary schools. Many now are at that level . It’s difficult to mention this however as it makes people defensive as they know they are wrong in their mother tongue
This is not right
Live no doubt public schools literacy and numeracy will be higher and that ain’t right .
Fact [Post edited 18 Jul 17:34]
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| Life for Children today on 17:32 - Jul 18 with 377 views | Gwyn737 |
| Life for Children today on 17:28 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
“ too” many.
Get it.
Are you telling me Indian children when given the chance are not more eager to learn than British kids
Check out Elaine Duckeley on today’s news vis a vis absenteeism in British schools .
Everything fine then.
Even a cursory glance at any forum you like will evidence a total ignorance of basic grammar
How many times do we see plurals with an apostrophe ,ie Nazis’s .
How many times is “ to” used instead of “too” and “ there” for their. This stuff was imbued into our children in the 50s and 60s in primary schools. Many now are at that level . It’s difficult to mention this however as it makes people defensive as they know they are wrong in their mother tongue
This is not right
Live no doubt public schools literacy and numeracy will be higher and that ain’t right .
Fact [Post edited 18 Jul 17:34]
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No, but that’s not what you said.
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| Life for Children today on 17:34 - Jul 18 with 374 views | Gwyn737 |
| Life for Children today on 17:10 - Jul 18 by raynor94 |
I heard it on the news earlier there doesn't seem to be a uniform method in Wales like England for reading |
The underlying method is the same but it’s much much more robustly done in England.
There is also a far higher level of accountability around it than in wales. [Post edited 18 Jul 19:34]
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| Life for Children today on 17:37 - Jul 18 with 372 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 17:34 - Jul 18 by Gwyn737 |
The underlying method is the same but it’s much much more robustly done in England.
There is also a far higher level of accountability around it than in wales. [Post edited 18 Jul 19:34]
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That’s as maybe but English standards in comparison to much of Europe is appalling.
Chuck in the fact that most if not all European countries have English as a compulsory subject from age 7 .
It’s why the British depend on google translate whilst on holiday if Johnny Foreigner can’t speak English . | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:39 - Jul 18 with 370 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
School was a complete and total waste of time for me. Didn’t learn a single useful thing in all the years I was there. To this day I’ve never seen a sodding ox bow lake but if I ever did I could tell you how it got there. |  |
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| Life for Children today on 17:40 - Jul 18 with 369 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 17:39 - Jul 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
School was a complete and total waste of time for me. Didn’t learn a single useful thing in all the years I was there. To this day I’ve never seen a sodding ox bow lake but if I ever did I could tell you how it got there. |
You have seen them mun | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:44 - Jul 18 with 366 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Life for Children today on 17:40 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
You have seen them mun |
If I have it wasn’t notable enough for me to exclaim “ooh look there’s an oxbow lake. How thrilling.” | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:46 - Jul 18 with 364 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 17:44 - Jul 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If I have it wasn’t notable enough for me to exclaim “ooh look there’s an oxbow lake. How thrilling.” |
It’s rather like algebra ,most of which is irrelevant unlike you’re an engineer .
Arithmetic is different though
So is English Grammer( sic)
We are talking base level education Joesus. | |
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| Life for Children today on 17:53 - Jul 18 with 363 views | Gwyn737 |
| Life for Children today on 17:37 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
That’s as maybe but English standards in comparison to much of Europe is appalling.
Chuck in the fact that most if not all European countries have English as a compulsory subject from age 7 .
It’s why the British depend on google translate whilst on holiday if Johnny Foreigner can’t speak English . |
There are only 2 European countries with better reading results at 15 than those in England. Estonia and Ireland (who speak English, obviously)
At primary level, England are the 4th best readers in the world.
What are you basing your findings on? | | | |
| Life for Children today on 18:13 - Jul 18 with 359 views | raynor94 |
| Life for Children today on 17:34 - Jul 18 by Gwyn737 |
The underlying method is the same but it’s much much more robustly done in England.
There is also a far higher level of accountability around it than in wales. [Post edited 18 Jul 19:34]
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| Life for Children today on 20:06 - Jul 18 with 337 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Life for Children today on 17:28 - Jul 18 by onehunglow |
“ too” many.
Get it.
Are you telling me Indian children when given the chance are not more eager to learn than British kids
Check out Elaine Duckeley on today’s news vis a vis absenteeism in British schools .
Everything fine then.
Even a cursory glance at any forum you like will evidence a total ignorance of basic grammar
How many times do we see plurals with an apostrophe ,ie Nazis’s .
How many times is “ to” used instead of “too” and “ there” for their. This stuff was imbued into our children in the 50s and 60s in primary schools. Many now are at that level . It’s difficult to mention this however as it makes people defensive as they know they are wrong in their mother tongue
This is not right
Live no doubt public schools literacy and numeracy will be higher and that ain’t right .
Fact [Post edited 18 Jul 17:34]
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Yes, absenteeism since covid has been high. Thing is, my son isn't really academically inclined. Shame really because his teachers all say he's really bright, if only he'd work hard enough he'd do well.
I've told him, do your best in the core subjects and don't worry about subjects you are actually no good at. He took construction and is having a serious look at apprenticeships.
He likes the look of my company because they pay the adult wage so if he got in then he'd be an apprentice on over 23k per year.
It may considerdd bad advice but I warned him that he'd end up working harder later, if he didn't work hard now but not to stress about it because he'll work it out, eventually. | | | |
| Life for Children today on 20:49 - Jul 18 with 330 views | Dr_Winston |
| Life for Children today on 20:06 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes, absenteeism since covid has been high. Thing is, my son isn't really academically inclined. Shame really because his teachers all say he's really bright, if only he'd work hard enough he'd do well.
I've told him, do your best in the core subjects and don't worry about subjects you are actually no good at. He took construction and is having a serious look at apprenticeships.
He likes the look of my company because they pay the adult wage so if he got in then he'd be an apprentice on over 23k per year.
It may considerdd bad advice but I warned him that he'd end up working harder later, if he didn't work hard now but not to stress about it because he'll work it out, eventually. |
A lot of kids would be much better off looking at apprenticeships rather than further/higher education. The challenge for the new govt is to ensure that there are enough apprenticeships for them rather than following Blair's lunatic idea of sending half to Uni. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Life for Children today on 21:01 - Jul 18 with 323 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 20:49 - Jul 18 by Dr_Winston |
A lot of kids would be much better off looking at apprenticeships rather than further/higher education. The challenge for the new govt is to ensure that there are enough apprenticeships for them rather than following Blair's lunatic idea of sending half to Uni. |
True
Tradespeople can and do earn a very good living
Judging by our retrained bathroom fitter , skilled tradesmen can still kick financial arse
My old fella had a trade but I was seen as bright ( I know) and too good to go onto the family business . I just wished I had instead of drifting for five years of my twenties
My daughter had 12 high grade GCSE s and chose to not go to university and at 37 is debt free and prospering .
Son had massive debt from forking about at Leeds Uni for a M Chem.I paid it off . Had to.Many can’t so he was lucky .His jobs have had nothing to do with the subject of his degree although degrees in sciences are viewed to be help by people with good analytical skills . | |
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| Life for Children today on 09:09 - Jul 19 with 269 views | controversial_jack |
If you work in any large company, it's very difficult if not impossible to rise up the higher ranks without some kind of academic or scientific degree. I worked for several large multi nationals and there is that divide between those with degrees and those without | | | |
| Life for Children today on 09:14 - Jul 19 with 267 views | onehunglow |
| Life for Children today on 09:09 - Jul 19 by controversial_jack |
If you work in any large company, it's very difficult if not impossible to rise up the higher ranks without some kind of academic or scientific degree. I worked for several large multi nationals and there is that divide between those with degrees and those without |
This is the main benefit for graduates in the workplace .
That said,as I’ve said,a good tradesman is rarely out of work
Houses can’t be built by computer ,at least not yet . | |
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| Life for Children today on 14:00 - Jul 20 with 217 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Life for Children today on 09:14 - Jul 19 by onehunglow |
This is the main benefit for graduates in the workplace .
That said,as I’ve said,a good tradesman is rarely out of work
Houses can’t be built by computer ,at least not yet . |
Sorry but...
https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2020/10/06/uks-first-home-built-by-robo-bri
and 4 years later it's probably been improved upon,
FAO DrW, I had been nudging my youngest towards apprenticeships and getting a trade when he made it quite clear that he hated school and wouldn't do well. We had the dicussion, nay argument and I relented and told him about working harder for longer in manual jobs and said aim for an apprenticeship just start thinking now (aged 11-12) what it is you want to do.
His generation may be towards the last of human tradespeople because they are already maing prefab housing that comes wired and plumbed and just slots together like giant 3D jigsaws.
https://www.novatr.com/blog/modular-prefabricated-homes | | | |
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