| The tainted First Minister on 16:43 - Jun 21 with 1596 views | raynor94 |
| The tainted First Minister on 16:40 - Jun 21 by JumpingJackFlash |
If it were a Sennedd election it would be very interesting. Because it's a General election people may decide that they dislike the Tories so much that they're prepared to hold their nose and vote Labour.
Turnout will probably be low so numbers voting for Labour will probably drop but all that matters on July 5th is how many seats they win.
Interestingly, Labour has never won an outright majority in a Sennedd election. Plaid Cymru have a habit of supporting them though. Maybe after Gething's shenanigans they won't be so keen next time? |
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| The tainted First Minister on 20:43 - Jun 21 with 1526 views | Whiterockin |
Channel 4 currently doing a programme on Gethings involvement with stop the stink company. More bad publicity for him nationwide. |  | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 10:34 - Jun 26 with 1391 views | Boundy |
I see our esteemed leader and two other hangers on flew Business class for his two hour meeting in India to discuss the closure of Port Talbot steel works (that's going to happen ).
A FOI request asking how much this cost was denied as it wasn't in the public interest to be declared. |  |
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| The tainted First Minister on 11:48 - Jun 26 with 1349 views | majorraglan |
| The tainted First Minister on 10:34 - Jun 26 by Boundy |
I see our esteemed leader and two other hangers on flew Business class for his two hour meeting in India to discuss the closure of Port Talbot steel works (that's going to happen ).
A FOI request asking how much this cost was denied as it wasn't in the public interest to be declared. |
How would you expect a senior politician such as the First Minister to travel, Economy or charter a plane? Do you seriously think Sunak and other senior and junior cabinet ministers would travel Economy? From a security perspective putting Gething in Business Class is a much more sensible option.
Sunak, Cameron and the King all travelled to COP 28 on separate private jets. I can see no reason why they couldn’t share, or at least Cameron and Sunak could have travelled together. Truss used a private jet to travel to Australia at a cost of £500k.
I’m no Gething fan, but expecting him to travel economy is mental. | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 13:26 - Jun 26 with 1311 views | Boundy |
| The tainted First Minister on 11:48 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
How would you expect a senior politician such as the First Minister to travel, Economy or charter a plane? Do you seriously think Sunak and other senior and junior cabinet ministers would travel Economy? From a security perspective putting Gething in Business Class is a much more sensible option.
Sunak, Cameron and the King all travelled to COP 28 on separate private jets. I can see no reason why they couldn’t share, or at least Cameron and Sunak could have travelled together. Truss used a private jet to travel to Australia at a cost of £500k.
I’m no Gething fan, but expecting him to travel economy is mental. |
Really you can justify him travelling to a nonsensical meeting which took two and a half hours and as far as we know achieved the sum total of zero because Tata is continuing with its plans with no minutes of that meeting having been made available to say differently.
Why in this age of digital technology why wasn't it a zoom meeting , the WAG recently proudly announced Wales as being the first nation in the world to have its own metaverse so surely a zoom meeting wouldn't be that difficult to organise
Do you really consider that Guessing is the equivalent of Sunak and others . This is nothing to do with COP 22 or is at a deflection away form the fraud . If it should be considered the norm then why was the FOI request denied at this time .
Preaching do as I say not what I do is never a good look. | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 13:40 - Jun 26 with 1308 views | majorraglan |
| The tainted First Minister on 13:26 - Jun 26 by Boundy |
Really you can justify him travelling to a nonsensical meeting which took two and a half hours and as far as we know achieved the sum total of zero because Tata is continuing with its plans with no minutes of that meeting having been made available to say differently.
Why in this age of digital technology why wasn't it a zoom meeting , the WAG recently proudly announced Wales as being the first nation in the world to have its own metaverse so surely a zoom meeting wouldn't be that difficult to organise
Do you really consider that Guessing is the equivalent of Sunak and others . This is nothing to do with COP 22 or is at a deflection away form the fraud . If it should be considered the norm then why was the FOI request denied at this time .
Preaching do as I say not what I do is never a good look. |
No doubt you’d be criticising him if he hadn’t shown any interest in the situation and hadn’t made any effort to interact with Tata. Given the stakes involved I would certainly expect him and others to get personally involved and be there in person as opposed to a zoom call. There’s a time and a place for zoom and I don’t believe with all that’s at stake, thousands of jobs at one of wales largest employers etc zoom is the way forward.
Gething is the first minister, he’s not the equal of Sunak but in my opinion he certainly outranks some of the cabinet ministers. No idea about the FOI or minutes, maybe it’s been minuted by Tata who have different rules, but I’m a believer in transparency so would hope they are made available.
I think expecting Gething to travel in Economy is ridiculous. [Post edited 26 Jun 15:19]
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| The tainted First Minister on 14:40 - Jun 26 with 1284 views | Boundy |
| The tainted First Minister on 13:40 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
No doubt you’d be criticising him if he hadn’t shown any interest in the situation and hadn’t made any effort to interact with Tata. Given the stakes involved I would certainly expect him and others to get personally involved and be there in person as opposed to a zoom call. There’s a time and a place for zoom and I don’t believe with all that’s at stake, thousands of jobs at one of wales largest employers etc zoom is the way forward.
Gething is the first minister, he’s not the equal of Sunak but in my opinion he certainly outranks some of the cabinet ministers. No idea about the FOI or minutes, maybe it’s been minuted by Tata who have different rules, but I’m a believer in transparency so would hope they are made available.
I think expecting Gething to travel in Economy is ridiculous. [Post edited 26 Jun 15:19]
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All in your opinion , a number of which I certainly do not agree with. | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 17:25 - Jun 26 with 1233 views | onehunglow |
| The tainted First Minister on 11:48 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
How would you expect a senior politician such as the First Minister to travel, Economy or charter a plane? Do you seriously think Sunak and other senior and junior cabinet ministers would travel Economy? From a security perspective putting Gething in Business Class is a much more sensible option.
Sunak, Cameron and the King all travelled to COP 28 on separate private jets. I can see no reason why they couldn’t share, or at least Cameron and Sunak could have travelled together. Truss used a private jet to travel to Australia at a cost of £500k.
I’m no Gething fan, but expecting him to travel economy is mental. |
How,well as Tony Benn travelled.
By local transport ,like the “ workers”
Or they could go by bike like Corbyn | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 17:52 - Jun 26 with 1214 views | majorraglan |
| The tainted First Minister on 17:25 - Jun 26 by onehunglow |
How,well as Tony Benn travelled.
By local transport ,like the “ workers”
Or they could go by bike like Corbyn |
I don’t think so, it’s not remotely practicable for Gething to travel to India on a bike! Mind you saying that, he’d be out of the picture for a while! | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 20:16 - Jun 26 with 1149 views | pencoedjack |
| The tainted First Minister on 13:40 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
No doubt you’d be criticising him if he hadn’t shown any interest in the situation and hadn’t made any effort to interact with Tata. Given the stakes involved I would certainly expect him and others to get personally involved and be there in person as opposed to a zoom call. There’s a time and a place for zoom and I don’t believe with all that’s at stake, thousands of jobs at one of wales largest employers etc zoom is the way forward.
Gething is the first minister, he’s not the equal of Sunak but in my opinion he certainly outranks some of the cabinet ministers. No idea about the FOI or minutes, maybe it’s been minuted by Tata who have different rules, but I’m a believer in transparency so would hope they are made available.
I think expecting Gething to travel in Economy is ridiculous. [Post edited 26 Jun 15:19]
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Welsh Labour want net zero for Wales it makes no difference we will import steel & coal from countries who laugh at us.
No new business will come into Wales as our infrastructure is abysmal ( unless you live in Cardiff central).
Similar to the 200 plus jobs being lost in Flintshire today, people will continue to buy non disposable wet wipes but they won’t be made in Wales. |  | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 20:17 - Jun 26 with 1148 views | pencoedjack |
| The tainted First Minister on 17:52 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
I don’t think so, it’s not remotely practicable for Gething to travel to India on a bike! Mind you saying that, he’d be out of the picture for a while! |
He could easily do via teams ( or similar platform). | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 20:29 - Jun 26 with 1140 views | Boundy |
| The tainted First Minister on 20:17 - Jun 26 by pencoedjack |
He could easily do via teams ( or similar platform). |
I'm led to believe the meeting was far too important to be entrusted with a computor link. | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 20:55 - Jun 26 with 1118 views | Boundy |
Welsh labour have always had to rely on other party agreements to get their frankly ludicrous policies into place ,this way they will virtually be guaranteed absolute power in the Sennedd, hypocrisy and dictatorship certainly spring to mind. | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 21:02 - Jun 26 with 1112 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| The tainted First Minister on 20:55 - Jun 26 by Boundy |
Welsh labour have always had to rely on other party agreements to get their frankly ludicrous policies into place ,this way they will virtually be guaranteed absolute power in the Sennedd, hypocrisy and dictatorship certainly spring to mind. |
Indeed they have. Labour has never won an outright majority in a Senedd election. To their shame, Plaid has usually come to their rescue and voted with them. | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 05:59 - Jun 27 with 1050 views | AnotherJohn |
| The tainted First Minister on 13:40 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
No doubt you’d be criticising him if he hadn’t shown any interest in the situation and hadn’t made any effort to interact with Tata. Given the stakes involved I would certainly expect him and others to get personally involved and be there in person as opposed to a zoom call. There’s a time and a place for zoom and I don’t believe with all that’s at stake, thousands of jobs at one of wales largest employers etc zoom is the way forward.
Gething is the first minister, he’s not the equal of Sunak but in my opinion he certainly outranks some of the cabinet ministers. No idea about the FOI or minutes, maybe it’s been minuted by Tata who have different rules, but I’m a believer in transparency so would hope they are made available.
I think expecting Gething to travel in Economy is ridiculous. [Post edited 26 Jun 15:19]
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I accept the point about economy and business class travel, and this article was probably one of the least effective of the recent WoL exposés. However, the more telling points in the article were that the key Tata executives had been in London 2 weeks before, when with foresight a meeting with Gething could have been scheduled, and the unnecessarily evasive response of the WG about cost. The article noted that Virgin business class was significantly more expensive than BA business class. [Post edited 27 Jun 7:54]
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| The tainted First Minister on 23:27 - Jun 27 with 940 views | majorraglan |
| The tainted First Minister on 05:59 - Jun 27 by AnotherJohn |
I accept the point about economy and business class travel, and this article was probably one of the least effective of the recent WoL exposés. However, the more telling points in the article were that the key Tata executives had been in London 2 weeks before, when with foresight a meeting with Gething could have been scheduled, and the unnecessarily evasive response of the WG about cost. The article noted that Virgin business class was significantly more expensive than BA business class. [Post edited 27 Jun 7:54]
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Every effort should have been made to have that meeting in London, but if it wasn’t possible in person is better than teams.
I’ve no idea on cost of the virgin and ba airfares, but they tend to be competitive on most routes and will vary according to demand and availability.
I’m no VG fan and would rather see him gone, I’m not sticking up for him merely being pragmatic. | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 00:50 - Jun 28 with 929 views | Robbie |
The PR exercise over Gethin and his hangers on trip to Mumbai was laughable .
It was a token gesture , paid by us of course to save our heritage in Steel , failed .
But a face to face with TATA would save Wales our steelmaking , nice freebie holiday .
All Politicians are false , Drakeford was useless , this guy has taken it to another level .
Even Liz Truss called it a day when she knew she was not capable , ruined the economy but said out of her depth here , time to go and we are all in the UK paying for her mess .
Cardiff getting a new bus stop costing close to £ 100m , really cannot make it up . | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 16:23 - Jun 28 with 828 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The tainted First Minister on 11:48 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
How would you expect a senior politician such as the First Minister to travel, Economy or charter a plane? Do you seriously think Sunak and other senior and junior cabinet ministers would travel Economy? From a security perspective putting Gething in Business Class is a much more sensible option.
Sunak, Cameron and the King all travelled to COP 28 on separate private jets. I can see no reason why they couldn’t share, or at least Cameron and Sunak could have travelled together. Truss used a private jet to travel to Australia at a cost of £500k.
I’m no Gething fan, but expecting him to travel economy is mental. |
Sorry major but that is whatabutery or at orst, deflection.
Gething didn't need to make this flight and the fact that they hide the cost shows it was very expensive yet we are not allowd to know how much they waste.
Sunak, the King and that lot, they shouldn't be flying anywhere when the internet is so much more environmentally friendly. They have this meeting about saving the planet then use the most polluting way of travelling.
https://simpleflying.com/private-jet-flights-cop-28-carbon-footprint/
And we are supposed to believe the environment is so close to collapse that it's a world emergency when the "attendees" produce so much pollution?
What happened to leading by example? Or is the race for net zero just another way to tax us fools, sorry ordinary citizens to the hilt and say it's for a good cause? | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 16:57 - Jul 2 with 666 views | Whiterockin |
So now Welsh Labour are trying to vote against a law stopping politicians lying, even though it was proposed by a Labour Senedd member. Why would you want politicians to be able lie, we know they all do it, but why not try and stop it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 17:21 - Jul 2 with 651 views | Boundy |
| The tainted First Minister on 16:57 - Jul 2 by Whiterockin |
So now Welsh Labour are trying to vote against a law stopping politicians lying, even though it was proposed by a Labour Senedd member. Why would you want politicians to be able lie, we know they all do it, but why not try and stop it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no |
Says more about those voting against it than anything else could. | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 21:29 - Jul 2 with 610 views | majorraglan |
| The tainted First Minister on 16:57 - Jul 2 by Whiterockin |
So now Welsh Labour are trying to vote against a law stopping politicians lying, even though it was proposed by a Labour Senedd member. Why would you want politicians to be able lie, we know they all do it, but why not try and stop it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no |
This is an interesting one. When I saw the initial article I was raging at the thought of the WG trying to stop the legislation, but having read in to it it’s not so clear cut and I can appreciate aspects of both sides arguments.
Firstly, politicians should never be able to lie and get away with it, never ever ever and they should be completely accountable. The legislation seeks to make it a criminal offence which is something I’m not so sure about. It appears that the police and the CPS haven’t been consulted on this law, which is not acceptable nor iris it acceptable when the WG tries to deviate from “English” law which is the juridical system in England and Wales and is the responsibility of the Parliament in Westminster. I think there’s potentially another way, a super beefed up code of conduct which holds all politicians to account. The law proposed to Cardiff Bay wouldn’t apply to MP’s - we need something that applies to all the lying @@@@@@‘s whatever party they’re in and whatever body they serve on.
I don’t believe this is something our already overworked police should have to regulate and oversee, but there does need to be more accountability. The Standards Commissioner is on record as being against this legislation, maybe it’s because he doesn’t want to lose some of his work streams but maybe he can see it’s not the best piece of legislation to be introduced. | | | |
| The tainted First Minister on 06:51 - Jul 10 with 488 views | raynor94 |
Coming under pressure again, Hannah Blythyn who he sacked has returned and said he has provided no evidence for sacking her.
The opposition parties are agin calling on him to produce evidence.
It was great to see him squirming in his chair, but he's one arrogant individual | |
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| The tainted First Minister on 08:53 - Jul 10 with 411 views | Whiterockin |
| The tainted First Minister on 06:51 - Jul 10 by raynor94 |
Coming under pressure again, Hannah Blythyn who he sacked has returned and said he has provided no evidence for sacking her.
The opposition parties are agin calling on him to produce evidence.
It was great to see him squirming in his chair, but he's one arrogant individual |
With a evenly split Senedd Hannah Blythyn holds all the power in any vote. All the other parties will vote against Labour because they feel that they have them on the rack and if there was an election they would pick up seats. Interesting couple of months ahead. The only hope Labour have is if Gething stands down, but as you say he is too arrogant to do that.
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Remember this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42057642 [Post edited 10 Jul 9:03]
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