| Irish Unification Referendum 18:34 - Feb 7 with 8434 views | johnlangy |
When there is a unification referendum a very strange occurrence could take place.
In the 2019 GE a huge number of natural Labour voters in the Red Wall seats voted Conservative for the very first (and hopefully last) time. And they did that in order to ‘Get Brexit Done’. They ‘lent’ the Conservatives their vote for the one specific purpose. Because they had voted for Brexit.
In Northern Ireland, in the 2016 referendum, the vote was 58% to remain. Which means that a substantial number of unionists voted for remain. So, when the Unification referendum happens it’s quite possible that a similar thing will happen as per the 2019 GE. Except in reverse.
The Red Wall voters voted Tory to get Brexit done. In NI unionists may vote for the Nationalists unification argument (lend them their vote for the one specific purpose) in order to rejoin the EU. Because they had voted remain.
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:54 - Feb 7 with 2815 views | Kilkennyjack |
Yes Brexit has accelerated the end of the union.
Withour a doubt.
Nobody wants to go back to the failed London knows best model.
And the young are forever Europeans.
When Michelle and Mary Lou are both in power then the border poll will be called.
Many unionists understand that unification is now inevitable, and they will have the opportunity to shape a new Ireland.
Michael Collins was right. |  |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 19:04 - Feb 7 with 2814 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
With the leprechaun economics that the republic is famed for being a member of the EU is a bit like having an iron lung. You know you need it but wish you didn’t. |  |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:19 - Feb 7 with 2777 views | Togg |
To quote Morrissey ' Panic on the Streets of London'. Except that would become Dublin or Belfast
Get ready for civil unrest and a Unionist uprising. Sorry if the status quo is to be kept Northern Ireland is now in the best place for years. Any romantism or wet dreams of a united Ireland are currently well off the radar..fact!! | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:29 - Feb 7 with 2766 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:54 - Feb 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes Brexit has accelerated the end of the union.
Withour a doubt.
Nobody wants to go back to the failed London knows best model.
And the young are forever Europeans.
When Michelle and Mary Lou are both in power then the border poll will be called.
Many unionists understand that unification is now inevitable, and they will have the opportunity to shape a new Ireland.
Michael Collins was right. |
And what if a united Ireland was the trigger for a return to terrorism? Is that a price worth paying and what would you say if the Uk sat back and let them get on with it, taking all past events into account?
The truth is nobody knows what will happen in the years to come, there are many predictions and some will inevitably come true but there could be unforseen consequences. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 2744 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:29 - Feb 7 by SullutaCreturned |
And what if a united Ireland was the trigger for a return to terrorism? Is that a price worth paying and what would you say if the Uk sat back and let them get on with it, taking all past events into account?
The truth is nobody knows what will happen in the years to come, there are many predictions and some will inevitably come true but there could be unforseen consequences. |
So Protestant Unionists are happy to have an Ireland with Dublin as capital and Catholicism as countriy’s religion . Head of state Catholic, Established church Catholic .
Will Catholics in Donegal,Kerry and Killarney want the capital in Belfast in Ireland
https://catholicherald.co.uk/catholicism-still-runs-deep-in-ireland/ [Post edited 7 Feb 21:14]
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:02 - Feb 7 with 2744 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:29 - Feb 7 by SullutaCreturned |
And what if a united Ireland was the trigger for a return to terrorism? Is that a price worth paying and what would you say if the Uk sat back and let them get on with it, taking all past events into account?
The truth is nobody knows what will happen in the years to come, there are many predictions and some will inevitably come true but there could be unforseen consequences. |
All British Crown Forces should leave the island of Ireland tomorrrow.
The rest is up to all the peoples of Ireland to decide. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:04 - Feb 7 with 2747 views | Wingstandwood |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:19 - Feb 7 by Togg |
To quote Morrissey ' Panic on the Streets of London'. Except that would become Dublin or Belfast
Get ready for civil unrest and a Unionist uprising. Sorry if the status quo is to be kept Northern Ireland is now in the best place for years. Any romantism or wet dreams of a united Ireland are currently well off the radar..fact!! |
Bang on and when the Shankill Road types recreate the need to bring back stop and search, road blocks etc along with daily disruption, bomb warnings and violence onto the other side of the border? I guess your average 'Southerner' outside of militant County Lough romanticism is going to get p1ssed of pretty quickly when a vehicle check point has created yet another traffic line one mile long, that was yet again made even longer because the train to Dublin has been cancelled again because of a Loyalist bomb warning.
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:08 - Feb 7 with 2731 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:02 - Feb 7 by Kilkennyjack |
All British Crown Forces should leave the island of Ireland tomorrrow.
The rest is up to all the peoples of Ireland to decide. |
And what if one side decides to attain preeminence by violence and intimidation.
We leave and they could be butchery on an epic scale
Welsh bats support other Nats no matter who they are | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:10 - Feb 7 with 2728 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:04 - Feb 7 by Wingstandwood |
Bang on and when the Shankill Road types recreate the need to bring back stop and search, road blocks etc along with daily disruption, bomb warnings and violence onto the other side of the border? I guess your average 'Southerner' outside of militant County Lough romanticism is going to get p1ssed of pretty quickly when a vehicle check point has created yet another traffic line one mile long, that was yet again made even longer because the train to Dublin has been cancelled again because of a Loyalist bomb warning.
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With ex IRA girl Michelle O’Neill number 1 now,they face real issues .
This won’t go away
Protestants there will never want to be a 10% minority | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:17 - Feb 7 with 2714 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:08 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
And what if one side decides to attain preeminence by violence and intimidation.
We leave and they could be butchery on an epic scale
Welsh bats support other Nats no matter who they are |
Thats what the made up statelet of northern ireland was based on. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:20 - Feb 7 with 2708 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:04 - Feb 7 by Wingstandwood |
Bang on and when the Shankill Road types recreate the need to bring back stop and search, road blocks etc along with daily disruption, bomb warnings and violence onto the other side of the border? I guess your average 'Southerner' outside of militant County Lough romanticism is going to get p1ssed of pretty quickly when a vehicle check point has created yet another traffic line one mile long, that was yet again made even longer because the train to Dublin has been cancelled again because of a Loyalist bomb warning.
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These problems were caused by the creation of Northern Ireland.
Due to people of vision and bravery we have had 20 years of peace.
That vision already includes provision for a border poll. The only debate is when to call it. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:22 - Feb 7 with 2705 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:17 - Feb 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Thats what the made up statelet of northern ireland was based on. |
So where’s the capital going to be | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:40 - Feb 7 with 2686 views | majorraglan |
It could easily kick off out there, this time with Protestants targeting the ROI in a reversal of what we saw in the 70’s and 80’s.
With good governance, transparency, a little bit of give and take and putting the people first instead of political dogma and self interest I think NI is in a position to have its cake and eat it. Its’s in the EU single market and it’s also in the U.K. If the powers that be can bring prosperity to the people of NI, maybe, just maybe they’ll forget about the tribalism, see what a good thing they’ve got going for themselves, knuckle down and go with the flow. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 22:01 - Feb 7 with 2680 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:22 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
So where’s the capital going to be |
If it’s a proper noun usually at the start of the word. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:17 - Feb 8 with 2624 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:40 - Feb 7 by majorraglan |
It could easily kick off out there, this time with Protestants targeting the ROI in a reversal of what we saw in the 70’s and 80’s.
With good governance, transparency, a little bit of give and take and putting the people first instead of political dogma and self interest I think NI is in a position to have its cake and eat it. Its’s in the EU single market and it’s also in the U.K. If the powers that be can bring prosperity to the people of NI, maybe, just maybe they’ll forget about the tribalism, see what a good thing they’ve got going for themselves, knuckle down and go with the flow. |
Yes Major there is hope where that had been none. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:22 - Feb 8 with 2621 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:22 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
So where’s the capital going to be |
Belfast is an administration centre for the occupied north of Ireland.
Been the case for the last 100 years.
Liverpool would be my pick. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:11 - Feb 8 with 2608 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 22:01 - Feb 7 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If it’s a proper noun usually at the start of the word. |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:39 - Feb 8 with 2588 views | YrAlarch |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:00 - Feb 7 by onehunglow |
So Protestant Unionists are happy to have an Ireland with Dublin as capital and Catholicism as countriy’s religion . Head of state Catholic, Established church Catholic .
Will Catholics in Donegal,Kerry and Killarney want the capital in Belfast in Ireland
https://catholicherald.co.uk/catholicism-still-runs-deep-in-ireland/ [Post edited 7 Feb 21:14]
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Despite what the Catholic Church might like to believe, it has nowhere near the influence over the State it once had. So I don't think that would be a matter of concern. Neither would the Catholic majority have the malign influence on social and economic affairs that the Protestant majority in the North exercised. Also, surely Dublin would be the Capital city. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:46 - Feb 8 with 2583 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:39 - Feb 8 by YrAlarch |
Despite what the Catholic Church might like to believe, it has nowhere near the influence over the State it once had. So I don't think that would be a matter of concern. Neither would the Catholic majority have the malign influence on social and economic affairs that the Protestant majority in the North exercised. Also, surely Dublin would be the Capital city. |
Correct. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:23 - Feb 8 with 2571 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:39 - Feb 8 by YrAlarch |
Despite what the Catholic Church might like to believe, it has nowhere near the influence over the State it once had. So I don't think that would be a matter of concern. Neither would the Catholic majority have the malign influence on social and economic affairs that the Protestant majority in the North exercised. Also, surely Dublin would be the Capital city. |
Surely how exactly.
You are looking at it from a nation its standpoint .
92 % of Irish in ROI define themselves as Catholic .
You can’t expunge that from the historical bigotry.
So,Protestants lose their pre eminence in the north and their capital city.
Yeah baby
You WANT a united Ireland and an Independent Wales .
Your comments reflect that | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 11:43 - Feb 8 with 2549 views | AnotherJohn |
Even with the NHS the way it is, will the citizens of Northern Ireland really want to kiss it goodbye and pay up for supplemental private medical insurance? Will they wish to pin their hopes on an aspirational Sláintecare system that seems to be taking an age to implement, while in the meantime accepting a two-tier healthcare system where the rich do okay but the poor protest about migrants getting better care than they do? I somehow doubt it. And those unionists who complained about a few EU trade rules aren't going to like the idea that, if the economy tanks, the EU has full power to impose the excessive deficit procedure (as it did once already) leading to austerity and a drastic cut in welfare expenditure. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 12:58 - Feb 8 with 2508 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 11:43 - Feb 8 by AnotherJohn |
Even with the NHS the way it is, will the citizens of Northern Ireland really want to kiss it goodbye and pay up for supplemental private medical insurance? Will they wish to pin their hopes on an aspirational Sláintecare system that seems to be taking an age to implement, while in the meantime accepting a two-tier healthcare system where the rich do okay but the poor protest about migrants getting better care than they do? I somehow doubt it. And those unionists who complained about a few EU trade rules aren't going to like the idea that, if the economy tanks, the EU has full power to impose the excessive deficit procedure (as it did once already) leading to austerity and a drastic cut in welfare expenditure. |
And British citizens having their passports and nationality ripped up for another one, Irish
If it became United , it would be a misnomer and dissident Protestants would turn to violence to overthrow it
It would be madness | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 13:24 - Feb 8 with 2490 views | YrAlarch |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:23 - Feb 8 by onehunglow |
Surely how exactly.
You are looking at it from a nation its standpoint .
92 % of Irish in ROI define themselves as Catholic .
You can’t expunge that from the historical bigotry.
So,Protestants lose their pre eminence in the north and their capital city.
Yeah baby
You WANT a united Ireland and an Independent Wales .
Your comments reflect that |
I think you've taken a couple of quantum leaps there, so you have. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 13:34 - Feb 8 with 2472 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 12:58 - Feb 8 by onehunglow |
And British citizens having their passports and nationality ripped up for another one, Irish
If it became United , it would be a misnomer and dissident Protestants would turn to violence to overthrow it
It would be madness |
If you live in the north of Ireland you can already apply for an EU friendly Irish passport, a sad looking blue UK passport, or both.
If people can do that under London rule, then it should be perfectly possible to do the same under Dublin rule.
Clever see, the Good Friday Agreement.
There will be a new Ireland inclusive of the Protestant peoples. Lots to look forward to. Build on 20 years of peace.
Its happening with Michelle now in post, just a matter of time. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 13:36 - Feb 8 with 2462 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 11:43 - Feb 8 by AnotherJohn |
Even with the NHS the way it is, will the citizens of Northern Ireland really want to kiss it goodbye and pay up for supplemental private medical insurance? Will they wish to pin their hopes on an aspirational Sláintecare system that seems to be taking an age to implement, while in the meantime accepting a two-tier healthcare system where the rich do okay but the poor protest about migrants getting better care than they do? I somehow doubt it. And those unionists who complained about a few EU trade rules aren't going to like the idea that, if the economy tanks, the EU has full power to impose the excessive deficit procedure (as it did once already) leading to austerity and a drastic cut in welfare expenditure. |
It will be up to the people on the island of Ireland. Thats the important part. | |
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