| Rwanda 10:21 - Nov 15 with 34497 views | raynor94 |
Supreme court has ruled its illegal.
That's a lot of money down the drain, awaiting a comment from Suella |  |
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| Rwanda on 11:49 - Dec 12 with 1368 views | Gwyn737 |
Crazy amount of parliamentary time (and taxpayer money) still being wasted on this bill.
Surely there are other pressing matters that need to be addressed? |  | | |
| Rwanda on 15:08 - Dec 12 with 1333 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The money is going to Rwanda so is not going down the drain if spent on the countries development as an African ally.
The west a has robbed these countries blind over the last few centuries. UK needs to do it's bit to bring good governance to African countries.
Some Africans in despair are now turning to China and Russia. This should never happened. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 15:28]
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| Rwanda on 18:03 - Dec 12 with 1311 views | shingle |
Hope it gets passed and they manage to send them there in there droves. | | | |
| Rwanda on 18:12 - Dec 12 with 1300 views | Flashberryjack |
| Rwanda on 18:03 - Dec 12 by shingle |
Hope it gets passed and they manage to send them there in there droves. |
Even if it does get passed, the lawyers will see that any flights to Rwanda won't have any illegal refugee's on board. |  |
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| Rwanda on 18:23 - Dec 12 with 1298 views | Wingstandwood |
Here we go again....Parliament......House of Lords....Appeals....counter-appeals.....lawyers and more lawyers after that. *Repeat*
About as predictable as outdoor "Swingball" I guess. |  |
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| Rwanda on 18:37 - Dec 12 with 1294 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rwanda on 18:03 - Dec 12 by shingle |
Hope it gets passed and they manage to send them there in there droves. |
I don't think there are any plans to send them in droves - there isn't that capacity.
Bearing in mind small boats account for about 35,000 people ovet the past year with legal migration at over 700,000, even if all were sent there I dont see GP appointments coming up much quicker. | | | |
| Rwanda on 18:50 - Dec 12 with 1285 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 18:23 - Dec 12 by Wingstandwood |
Here we go again....Parliament......House of Lords....Appeals....counter-appeals.....lawyers and more lawyers after that. *Repeat*
About as predictable as outdoor "Swingball" I guess. |
Lawyers seem to be involved in all kinds of ways, and I suspect will continue to be whatever happens with Rwanda. One news item that caught my eye is that 16 migrants who arrived in small boats 3 years ago are suing the Home office for harm done when they were searched, and had their mobile phones confiscated and examined over several weeks. Their brief, supported by legal aid, says they are demanding £20K each.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/migrants-who-crossed-channel-in-boats-clai
Of course, this is just a mere trifle in a tsunami of expenditure. One recent estimate says the cost of illegal immigration is likely to rise to eleven billion GBP a year by 2026. This probably does not include externalities such as security or any terror incidents.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F
If our masters do not get a grip this is going to have a real impact on national finances. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 20:39]
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| Rwanda on 19:09 - Dec 12 with 1280 views | Wingstandwood |
| Rwanda on 18:50 - Dec 12 by AnotherJohn |
Lawyers seem to be involved in all kinds of ways, and I suspect will continue to be whatever happens with Rwanda. One news item that caught my eye is that 16 migrants who arrived in small boats 3 years ago are suing the Home office for harm done when they were searched, and had their mobile phones confiscated and examined over several weeks. Their brief, supported by legal aid, says they are demanding £20K each.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/migrants-who-crossed-channel-in-boats-clai
Of course, this is just a mere trifle in a tsunami of expenditure. One recent estimate says the cost of illegal immigration is likely to rise to eleven billion GBP a year by 2026. This probably does not include externalities such as security or any terror incidents.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F
If our masters do not get a grip this is going to have a real impact on national finances. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 20:39]
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Absolute p1sstaking has been coming from every angle like the (of many!) well fed foreign Big Issue seller from overseas I recently saw outside ASDA complete with a nice new mobile phone.
It's a well known fact that this is another racket. And yet another thing to be exploited. They've got every soft underbelly, every exploit, and every loophole well and truly appraised!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090012/One-Big-Issue-sellers-Romanian- | |
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| Rwanda on 19:27 - Dec 12 with 1266 views | Wingstandwood |
Vote live on SKY News!
https://news.sky.com/watch-live
Yes 313
No 269
Majority 44
Dragged on into next year! That is what the report has just claimed. Mmmmm dragged out to the eve of the next general election???? Games being played here???? [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 19:33]
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| Rwanda on 20:00 - Dec 12 with 1241 views | Luther27 |
| Rwanda on 18:50 - Dec 12 by AnotherJohn |
Lawyers seem to be involved in all kinds of ways, and I suspect will continue to be whatever happens with Rwanda. One news item that caught my eye is that 16 migrants who arrived in small boats 3 years ago are suing the Home office for harm done when they were searched, and had their mobile phones confiscated and examined over several weeks. Their brief, supported by legal aid, says they are demanding £20K each.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/migrants-who-crossed-channel-in-boats-clai
Of course, this is just a mere trifle in a tsunami of expenditure. One recent estimate says the cost of illegal immigration is likely to rise to eleven billion GBP a year by 2026. This probably does not include externalities such as security or any terror incidents.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F
If our masters do not get a grip this is going to have a real impact on national finances. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 20:39]
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I hope the various charities are funding their legal costs and not the taxpayer many of whom aren’t able to claim legal aid. | | | |
| Rwanda on 20:37 - Dec 12 with 1218 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 20:00 - Dec 12 by Luther27 |
I hope the various charities are funding their legal costs and not the taxpayer many of whom aren’t able to claim legal aid. |
Article states that lawyer confirms his clients are in receipt of legal aid. | | | |
| Rwanda on 21:18 - Dec 12 with 1204 views | Luther27 |
| Rwanda on 20:37 - Dec 12 by AnotherJohn |
Article states that lawyer confirms his clients are in receipt of legal aid. |
Why does that not surprise me. Still…perhaps it’s a good idea to carry out a study regarding how much it’s costing the UK taxpayer in accommodation, legal fees and living costs and then deduct that from overseas aid budget, after all the people it’s meant to help are turning up on our doorstep on a daily basis. | | | |
| Rwanda on 22:09 - Dec 12 with 1180 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 21:18 - Dec 12 by Luther27 |
Why does that not surprise me. Still…perhaps it’s a good idea to carry out a study regarding how much it’s costing the UK taxpayer in accommodation, legal fees and living costs and then deduct that from overseas aid budget, after all the people it’s meant to help are turning up on our doorstep on a daily basis. |
Part of the reason why much of progressive opinion gets so much on immigration policy wrong is that we pretty much do that already. We transfer a big chunk of our overseas development assistance (ODA) to fund domestic refugee/asylum seeker expenditure.
https://icai.independent.gov.uk/home-office-asylum-costs-could-no-longer-be-coun
Several other European countries do the same.
https://www.oecd.org/dac/financing-sustainable-development/development-finance-s
It costs over 10 times as much to support an asylum seeker in the UK compared with the cost of a person in a refugee camp near an unsafe source country. So these "in-donor refugee costs" deplete the budgets available to spend in far away places. The consequence is that those who jump the queue to cross the channel are disadvantaging a lot of more deserving cases, apart from putting severe strain on our public finances. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 22:11]
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| Rwanda on 11:18 - Dec 13 with 1119 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 19:09 - Dec 12 by Wingstandwood |
Absolute p1sstaking has been coming from every angle like the (of many!) well fed foreign Big Issue seller from overseas I recently saw outside ASDA complete with a nice new mobile phone.
It's a well known fact that this is another racket. And yet another thing to be exploited. They've got every soft underbelly, every exploit, and every loophole well and truly appraised!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090012/One-Big-Issue-sellers-Romanian- |
I noticed today a new Big Issue seller on the pitch outside Sainsbury's Uplands - bearded male in his 40s who looked better clothed and fed than the average seller at that spot. I said "From Romania, yes?" Answer was yes. There is probably a gang operating in the Swansea area, as per the article. | | | |
| Rwanda on 14:54 - Dec 13 with 1097 views | Wingstandwood |
| Rwanda on 11:18 - Dec 13 by AnotherJohn |
I noticed today a new Big Issue seller on the pitch outside Sainsbury's Uplands - bearded male in his 40s who looked better clothed and fed than the average seller at that spot. I said "From Romania, yes?" Answer was yes. There is probably a gang operating in the Swansea area, as per the article. |
It's surreal!!!! A few years back the overseas sellers were only seen in city centre locations, now the suburbs and out of town retail parks are being used because there are so many sellers in number.
Years ago the traditional ‘economic’ immigrant (both from U.K and abroad) went overseas to work in a pre-arranged vocation/occupation that was considered to be conventional. Now it’s more a case of entering a country illegally, often with the sole intent of either becoming ‘faux-homeless’ or a exploited black-economy slave.
But never mind mun, because nowadays according to some its morally right to import an underclass on mass because?….”They offer diversity”.
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| Rwanda on 17:15 - Dec 13 with 1068 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rwanda on 11:18 - Dec 13 by AnotherJohn |
I noticed today a new Big Issue seller on the pitch outside Sainsbury's Uplands - bearded male in his 40s who looked better clothed and fed than the average seller at that spot. I said "From Romania, yes?" Answer was yes. There is probably a gang operating in the Swansea area, as per the article. |
The Big Issue website tells you exactly who the sellers are along with their back story.
https://www.bigissue.com/vendors/?utm_campaign=website_content_block&utm_med
There has been a rise in sellers but it’s put down to the economic downturn as opposed to immigration. | | | |
| Rwanda on 18:01 - Dec 13 with 1043 views | Gwyn737 |
They wouldn’t be illegal as they’re allowed to work. | | | |
| Rwanda on 18:13 - Dec 13 with 1020 views | Wingstandwood |
| Rwanda on 18:12 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t understand what you mean 🤷🏻♂️ |
BANG ON! Exactly!
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| Rwanda on 09:10 - Dec 14 with 961 views | felixstowe_jack |
We have had the same big issue seller in Felixstowe for the last 10 years. She is from Eastern Europe and commutes daily by train from Ipswich. | |
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| Rwanda on 10:45 - Dec 14 with 938 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rwanda on 09:10 - Dec 14 by felixstowe_jack |
We have had the same big issue seller in Felixstowe for the last 10 years. She is from Eastern Europe and commutes daily by train from Ipswich. |
Sounds very positive.
Someone who has legally entered the country and has maintained a job for a decade.
The Big Issue has been a real success. | | | |
| Rwanda on 18:54 - Dec 14 with 902 views | AnotherJohn |
Was anybody else able to get the information. for Swansea? The links did not bring up much for me. Sainsbury Uplands brings up "Monica", but this is not the man I saw on the day I posted. Unless I misunderstand something no seller is associated with Asda near Morriston. Nor are there life histories for all those listed, including as far as I can see Monica. I was genuinely interested to see how many Romanians were listed. Are you mistaken about the comprehensiveness of the webpage Gwyn?
I don't think the concern is about rising numbers per se as much as the allegation that Romanian gangs may be intimidating vulnerable UK homeless people (of all heritages) and stealing their pitches. It is reported that the founder of the Big Issue is himself disturbed about the situation. | | | |
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