| Train strike saturday 21:35 - Sep 25 with 6715 views | actonman |
Have just seen there is another train strike Saturday ? Are these rrrs holes takin the fkn p!ss
Aswell as having to drive again and giving up my pre match tipple , I also have to pay that other fkn lower than a snakes belly tw@t £12.50 for the privilege!
Country is a joke ! It was easier getting about during covid |  | | |  |
| Train strike saturday on 21:50 - Sep 25 with 5154 views | Boston |
Any info on the extent of this disruption? |  |
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| Train strike saturday on 21:51 - Sep 25 with 5153 views | stowmarketrange |
| Train strike saturday on 21:50 - Sep 25 by Boston |
Any info on the extent of this disruption? |
A lot of train are running on various lines,but they will all be finishing about 6-6.30.Where are you staying Boston? |  | | |
| Train strike saturday on 22:20 - Sep 25 with 5065 views | Boston |
| Train strike saturday on 21:51 - Sep 25 by stowmarketrange |
A lot of train are running on various lines,but they will all be finishing about 6-6.30.Where are you staying Boston? |
Sandhurst. | |
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| Train strike saturday on 23:56 - Sep 25 with 4984 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Train strike saturday on 22:20 - Sep 25 by Boston |
Sandhurst. |
I hope they have good internet there Boston we will still need the Ex Pat friendly highlights  .
Just kidding enjoy the game and the trip |  | | |
| Train strike saturday on 01:01 - Sep 26 with 4944 views | stowmarketrange |
| Train strike saturday on 22:20 - Sep 25 by Boston |
Sandhurst. |
If you can get to farnborough station you can get a train via Clapham junction to Shepherd’s Bush.The last train back leaves Shepherd’s Bush at 17.55 so it’s just as well that we’re not playing Preston. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 14:33 - Sep 26 with 4666 views | themodfather |
not sure of national rail but tube strikes are set for october 4 and 6th, thereby affecting the 5th as "services" are reset as trains etc not in right place.
on tv yesterday someone said the nhs strikes have cost a billion quid and the minister has no met anyone in 100 days about it !
same person on the politics show said the rail strikes have cost £1,5bn and still no talks to end it. network rail settled in wales, scotland and london, not tubes, as they did not deal with the transport minister, could that be the stumbling block? | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 16:51 - Sep 26 with 4512 views | terryb |
For those of us living in the east, the timetable is currently showing one train per hour both ways between Ipswich & Liverpool Street.
I think I will need to recheck nearer the time, but hopefully I will avoid driving to Shenfield. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 17:32 - Sep 26 with 4417 views | Toast_R |
Well worth a read of this X thread. Avanti are your worst nightmare.
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| Train strike saturday on 18:30 - Sep 26 with 4330 views | LazyFan |
| Train strike saturday on 14:33 - Sep 26 by themodfather |
not sure of national rail but tube strikes are set for october 4 and 6th, thereby affecting the 5th as "services" are reset as trains etc not in right place.
on tv yesterday someone said the nhs strikes have cost a billion quid and the minister has no met anyone in 100 days about it !
same person on the politics show said the rail strikes have cost £1,5bn and still no talks to end it. network rail settled in wales, scotland and london, not tubes, as they did not deal with the transport minister, could that be the stumbling block? |
Cheaper paying them what they want.
Some may say that if we give in, they will ask for more, maybe, maybe not, but the facts are that it's STILL cheaper to give them what they want.
Now let's run the scenario that if we did give in all the time and they did keep coming back for more, at some point, we could say nope. As if we do that soon we could say as a country ...
"you will be soon earning more than the PM, so, nope, go on strike if you like."
And I suspect they won't get the ballot numbers when voting for strike action, as why risk your mega bucks at that point (hence, that's why we never see Private Equity workers go on strike).
But the reality is we are far far far from anything like that happening, the strikes will continue, especially as the country gets worse. Fire them if you like, but then why do the job properly if you know they can fire you anytime and that's the people who will be bothered to take the job. Even if you offer the monies in the end, people now do not trust companies, even less the govt so, no chance they will do it properly if they feel they can be fired at anytime.
Some will say pathetic things like the "govt should talk to them and make a deal". No the govt should step in, Nationalise it, make a proper deal linked to inflation and the top-end indexes and then end this constant back and forth forever. A bit like a triple-lock pension. Then some will say "But we cannot afford that even", but it seems we can afford to waste billions on getting one over on the Unions. There always seems to be money for that waste ... funny that!
The money is there, it always is, you just need to use it to protect and feed the people instead of corporations. |  |
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| Train strike saturday on 19:46 - Sep 26 with 4260 views | WokingR |
| Train strike saturday on 18:30 - Sep 26 by LazyFan |
Cheaper paying them what they want.
Some may say that if we give in, they will ask for more, maybe, maybe not, but the facts are that it's STILL cheaper to give them what they want.
Now let's run the scenario that if we did give in all the time and they did keep coming back for more, at some point, we could say nope. As if we do that soon we could say as a country ...
"you will be soon earning more than the PM, so, nope, go on strike if you like."
And I suspect they won't get the ballot numbers when voting for strike action, as why risk your mega bucks at that point (hence, that's why we never see Private Equity workers go on strike).
But the reality is we are far far far from anything like that happening, the strikes will continue, especially as the country gets worse. Fire them if you like, but then why do the job properly if you know they can fire you anytime and that's the people who will be bothered to take the job. Even if you offer the monies in the end, people now do not trust companies, even less the govt so, no chance they will do it properly if they feel they can be fired at anytime.
Some will say pathetic things like the "govt should talk to them and make a deal". No the govt should step in, Nationalise it, make a proper deal linked to inflation and the top-end indexes and then end this constant back and forth forever. A bit like a triple-lock pension. Then some will say "But we cannot afford that even", but it seems we can afford to waste billions on getting one over on the Unions. There always seems to be money for that waste ... funny that!
The money is there, it always is, you just need to use it to protect and feed the people instead of corporations. |
It doesn’t really matter how good a point you make now.
Because they have decided to target people’s leisure time by striking at weekends they have long since lost any public sympathy and the general attitude is now f*cik them. |  | | |
| Train strike saturday on 20:13 - Sep 26 with 4208 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Train strike saturday on 19:46 - Sep 26 by WokingR |
It doesn’t really matter how good a point you make now.
Because they have decided to target people’s leisure time by striking at weekends they have long since lost any public sympathy and the general attitude is now f*cik them. |
Not from me. Respect anyone’s right to strike against this so-called government pissing on everyone.
Anyway I think I’d rather get my dough back for the tickets than drive up from the south coast. Do the club do refunds or do I have to chance it on Twickets? | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 20:16 - Sep 26 with 4197 views | stowmarketrange |
| Train strike saturday on 20:13 - Sep 26 by Watford_Ranger |
Not from me. Respect anyone’s right to strike against this so-called government pissing on everyone.
Anyway I think I’d rather get my dough back for the tickets than drive up from the south coast. Do the club do refunds or do I have to chance it on Twickets? |
I doubt you’d have many takers on Twickets,but you can always try. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 20:36 - Sep 26 with 4137 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Train strike saturday on 19:46 - Sep 26 by WokingR |
It doesn’t really matter how good a point you make now.
Because they have decided to target people’s leisure time by striking at weekends they have long since lost any public sympathy and the general attitude is now f*cik them. |
Fcuk them is absolutely right. Sack the lot of em and let em rot. Scumbags | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 20:49 - Sep 26 with 4110 views | vanrrrr |
| Train strike saturday on 17:32 - Sep 26 by Toast_R |
Well worth a read of this X thread. Avanti are your worst nightmare.
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Terrible and hilarious at the same time
Workers are getting grief for buggering peoples plans but the real villains of the piece are all those politicians and planners who have let the train system go private and get into the state it is. I was just over in Paris and decided to go watch a game in Reims - the TGV experience getting to a game compared to anything in UK absolute chalk and fromage … affordable too. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 20:50 - Sep 26 with 4111 views | actonman |
| Train strike saturday on 20:36 - Sep 26 by The_Beast1976 |
Fcuk them is absolutely right. Sack the lot of em and let em rot. Scumbags |
Yeah , not only peoples leisure time but small businesses relying on people traveling into cities etc and spending money.
Fcking joke , the lot of them , for the past few years you couldn’t travel on bank holidays / Christmas due to engineering works , now their striking every few weeks .
Poor old station staff , getting rid of the face to face contact ? No fking difference to me if I can’t use the bloody service anyway | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 21:03 - Sep 26 with 4077 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Train strike saturday on 20:16 - Sep 26 by stowmarketrange |
I doubt you’d have many takers on Twickets,but you can always try. |
Looks like you can email the club and it’s at their discretion. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 23:40 - Sep 26 with 3877 views | Lblock |
| Train strike saturday on 18:30 - Sep 26 by LazyFan |
Cheaper paying them what they want.
Some may say that if we give in, they will ask for more, maybe, maybe not, but the facts are that it's STILL cheaper to give them what they want.
Now let's run the scenario that if we did give in all the time and they did keep coming back for more, at some point, we could say nope. As if we do that soon we could say as a country ...
"you will be soon earning more than the PM, so, nope, go on strike if you like."
And I suspect they won't get the ballot numbers when voting for strike action, as why risk your mega bucks at that point (hence, that's why we never see Private Equity workers go on strike).
But the reality is we are far far far from anything like that happening, the strikes will continue, especially as the country gets worse. Fire them if you like, but then why do the job properly if you know they can fire you anytime and that's the people who will be bothered to take the job. Even if you offer the monies in the end, people now do not trust companies, even less the govt so, no chance they will do it properly if they feel they can be fired at anytime.
Some will say pathetic things like the "govt should talk to them and make a deal". No the govt should step in, Nationalise it, make a proper deal linked to inflation and the top-end indexes and then end this constant back and forth forever. A bit like a triple-lock pension. Then some will say "But we cannot afford that even", but it seems we can afford to waste billions on getting one over on the Unions. There always seems to be money for that waste ... funny that!
The money is there, it always is, you just need to use it to protect and feed the people instead of corporations. |
The general cost is a figure thrown out across the economy
It’s not costing the government that amount - maybe a portion of it in lost tax revenue but nowhere near billions
I can never get my head around staunch socialist organisations continually demanding more money - the behaviour of capitalists?
Fair wages — absobloodylootley — but Bob Crowe said “it’ll never be enough”
I don’t get it
If the TU’s are so convinced there’s more money to be had and fruits of labour / profit can be evenly distributed then my view is give them control with no bail out safety net or subsidies. Let them establish division of profit across employees.
The fares would be a right laugh then!!!!!
My juxtaposition to the above is the emergency services and NHS.
I feel people working for the forces, the public medical health etc who sit below certain higher level roles / salary should have an index linked pay rise every six months. Something like 8% plus the level of inflation capped at 16% maybe??? Have other conditions like the services must be your sole employer etc |  |
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| Train strike saturday on 00:47 - Sep 27 with 3820 views | kensalriser |
Perhaps they should ask Michelle Mone to hand back the 200m she got for dodgy PPE equipment, that would be a good start. |  |
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| Train strike saturday on 01:01 - Sep 27 with 3814 views | Boston |
| Train strike saturday on 01:01 - Sep 26 by stowmarketrange |
If you can get to farnborough station you can get a train via Clapham junction to Shepherd’s Bush.The last train back leaves Shepherd’s Bush at 17.55 so it’s just as well that we’re not playing Preston. |
Advice from those west / southwest of town who have been dealing with the disruption is...head for Paddington straight after the match, then train to Reading and an easy cab ride to complete the ordeal - do not pass go, do not collect...
I've, at the moment, opted for this, forgoing my usual debauched meandering from hostelry to hostelry and enjoying exciting unidentifiable food from foreign shores. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 1:07]
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| Train strike saturday on 01:03 - Sep 27 with 3809 views | Boston |
| Train strike saturday on 23:56 - Sep 25 by CLAREMAN1995 |
I hope they have good internet there Boston we will still need the Ex Pat friendly highlights .
Just kidding enjoy the game and the trip |
God man, I don't do expat stuff after attending a game, I've had enough... | |
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| Train strike saturday on 01:21 - Sep 27 with 3793 views | LazyFan |
| Train strike saturday on 23:40 - Sep 26 by Lblock |
The general cost is a figure thrown out across the economy
It’s not costing the government that amount - maybe a portion of it in lost tax revenue but nowhere near billions
I can never get my head around staunch socialist organisations continually demanding more money - the behaviour of capitalists?
Fair wages — absobloodylootley — but Bob Crowe said “it’ll never be enough”
I don’t get it
If the TU’s are so convinced there’s more money to be had and fruits of labour / profit can be evenly distributed then my view is give them control with no bail out safety net or subsidies. Let them establish division of profit across employees.
The fares would be a right laugh then!!!!!
My juxtaposition to the above is the emergency services and NHS.
I feel people working for the forces, the public medical health etc who sit below certain higher level roles / salary should have an index linked pay rise every six months. Something like 8% plus the level of inflation capped at 16% maybe??? Have other conditions like the services must be your sole employer etc |
It will never be enough as we don't control the services, and by we, I mean we, the citizens of the UK. You know UK people, not fat cats from rich people from wherever.
Some services we do, like our wonderful Armed Forces, NHS, Police, Education. Albeit poorly run (not as bad as Private enterprise, I might add), these are what we on the left call Universal Basics Services (not UBI, which is pro-capitalist). Not many suggest that we privatise these organisations as they can see they are better as a UBS. Funded inside and out.
Yet for Water, Energy, and Transport it's all okay? The view is that there are no security, productivity, cost, or revenue concerns at all here. Clearly, that has proven time and again to be false, and these are services we should all in the UK have as UBS to all of us. We built this country for all of us, not for the rich.
If, we control the services (no silent partners, active owners) and the pay was index linked as per the pensions triple-lock, then I would say that strikes for wages would be way way way less. As a striker would be striking against themselves into bankruptcy. Especially on revenue-generating services like Trains. We know the money is there to pay for these wages right now for two big reasons.
1) If the money was not there, then private companies would not want to take our money and rip us off.
2) The govt is always bailing them out when they go bust, but only when they fail. Magic money tree exists only when of course, the service is in jeopardy. This means it's of national criticality to keep this service running and pay for it. This means we should own it and get it to fund itself, not fat-cat hedgies holding shares they may wish to short at any time. Or CEO's gifting themselves another few million from their mates on the Board.
Now, in the past, the argument against train nationalisation was that private enterprise was more efficient and would reduce costs .... HAHAHAHAHAHA, please, no more. My ribs cannot take it anymore. I note the trains were originally private and were so pish during WW2 that we ran them as if we owned them during the war (as we had to win the war as they were so inefficiently run by private companies) that we then after the war nationalised them.
Then later, the Tories' excuse was that this was a long time ago, and now we know better, and of course, private enterprise is better than Sir Humphries running it all. Yes, the Civil Service is really bad, but here is the reality; private companies are worse, and this has been proven now.
Even before the rate rises, before the pandemic, before bailouts, the trains were late (just like before with BR), cancelled (this was rare under BR), and gazillions of expensive ticket options like a Ryan Air charging system (never happened under BR), fat cats creaming it off (BR reinvested in new train stock that it owned and did not lease), sold off the car parks so you had to pay more for parking (BR used to buy these and build them out and make them free to us), closed more stations (BR used to open whole new lines). It's a complete mess, as is the way with Private Enterprise when it comes to providing a UBS.
Bob Crowe also used to say that Nationalisation would stop the strikes as there would be one pay deal for all. It's worse now as you cannot say they are holding the country to ransom as it's only a "few lines". If you say that this is enough to do so, or part of the country and say there are no alternatives (which means admitting the market forces have failed), then its also an admission of it being a UBS and you need to nationalise it like the NHS as know Private Enterprise cannot run a UBS. Or you can have the other view that we should privatise the Army.
This in-between third-way view never works. Either nationalise it for all of the UK people or privatise it for the Rich.
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| Train strike saturday on 05:22 - Sep 27 with 3735 views | QPROslo |
I havent lived in the UK for more than 40 years so I don't know, but I don't hear much if anything about Bus/Coach alternatives on threads like this. Aren't there any these days? I've used them on visits there but they are over 5 years ago now, but family in S.W. England still use them. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 09:31 - Sep 27 with 3561 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Train strike saturday on 20:36 - Sep 26 by The_Beast1976 |
Fcuk them is absolutely right. Sack the lot of em and let em rot. Scumbags |
Which is exactly the feeling the government is trying to engender in the hard of thinking, the strikers are not your enemy, this government, and possibly Labour if they win next time.
This government is being set up to become the Premier league of rule, voted for by the majority to only benefit a small few. |  |
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| Train strike saturday on 09:46 - Sep 27 with 3545 views | Rangers67 |
I can never understand people who fall for this Bull put out by the Tories about it,s the trade unions fault. As someone said you have to be hard of thinking to fall for that. It,s not the unions that have got this country into the state it is now it is the 13 years of failed Tory government and generally poor management from people at the top who couldn,t run a welk stall but suck up vast amounts of money for making a balls up . Still you will get people voting for this shower, it beggars belief. | | | |
| Train strike saturday on 10:00 - Sep 27 with 3524 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Train strike saturday on 05:22 - Sep 27 by QPROslo |
I havent lived in the UK for more than 40 years so I don't know, but I don't hear much if anything about Bus/Coach alternatives on threads like this. Aren't there any these days? I've used them on visits there but they are over 5 years ago now, but family in S.W. England still use them. |
Out of curiosity I had a look Brighton-Victoria which at the weekend is about £24 by train and around 90 mins including the extra bit to Rangers.
Firstly it’s sold out which is fair enough for a train strike day.
£35 for the return which will take fk knows how long with the roads busy, London traffic and stopping at Gatwick or wherever. £2.50 if you want to reserve a seat and £20 if you want to have a suitcase. Including getting to/from Loftus Road that must be a good 2.5hrs each way.
It’s probably not a bad alternative if I was coming home from a midweek away and trains had stopped running but pretty naff as an option for a Saturday game IMO, which it isn’t anyway as understandably demand > supply. | | | |
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