| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! 16:21 - Sep 11 with 28181 views | ModeratorC |
Welcome one and all to a veritable feast of footballing rivalry. The home side are in blue,they lose a lot in this fixture. The away side wear white, they don’t. However …
 Swansea City need no excuses and no regrets tomorrow evening 15th Sep 2023 08:00The Swans travel to Cardiff tomorrow for an evening kick off which will be screened to millions via Sky TV and their associated licence holders across the world. It’s the biggest fixture in the Championship calendar for both sets of fans, and the biggest derby in the Championship - despite what supporters of other clubs will tell you.  0
 So that’s okay is it Swansea City ? 16th Sep 2023 21:58Josh Tymon and Kristian Pedersen made their Swansea City debuts in the south Wales derby this evening in a game that summed up Michael Duff’s start to the Championship season. 1
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:39 - Sep 16 with 2575 views | Fireboy2 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:37 - Sep 16 by Treforys_Jack |
When was the last time we were outplayed against them. Should have started with Ben, Ollie and Cullen , at least they would have understood the meaning of the game. |
Yes I was surprised as well. |  | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:41 - Sep 16 with 2559 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:38 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
What do you expect him to say? Oh well there is always QPR on Tuesday? |
In fairness mate, there is no excuse for tonight's performance. |  | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:41 - Sep 16 with 2557 views | swan_si |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:38 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
What do you expect him to say? Oh well there is always QPR on Tuesday? |
15 minutes have past, you still seem a little tetchy 🤫 |  | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:48 - Sep 16 with 2478 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:04 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Cooper did not have that start at Forest, they changed their manager, Cooper went in and took them up. |
I never said Forest had him in charge at the beginning of the season. I just made the point they had a bad start and pulled themselves together. [Post edited 16 Sep 2023 22:52]
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:48 - Sep 16 with 2470 views | Fireboy2 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:41 - Sep 16 by swan_si |
15 minutes have past, you still seem a little tetchy 🤫 |
I can assure you I am chilled, I am interested on people's opinions. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:50 - Sep 16 with 2447 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:48 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
I never said Forest had him in charge at the beginning of the season. I just made the point they had a bad start and pulled themselves together. [Post edited 16 Sep 2023 22:52]
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After changing the manager. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:50 - Sep 16 with 2428 views | Fireboy2 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:41 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
In fairness mate, there is no excuse for tonight's performance. |
Agreed WR especially the second half. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:53 - Sep 16 with 2392 views | Treforys_Jack |
I could see what RM was trying to do even though ultimately it didn't work for us, I'm not really sure what Duff is trying to do, what his style is, the players just seem lost, it could be a very toxic atmosphere next week.. The team is lucky there is a game midweek to try and get a result to take the heat off slightly. [Post edited 16 Sep 2023 23:04]
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 23:00 - Sep 16 with 2325 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:37 - Sep 16 by Treforys_Jack |
When was the last time we were outplayed against them. Should have started with Ben, Ollie and Cullen , at least they would have understood the meaning of the game. |
This | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 23:01 - Sep 16 with 2318 views | swan_si |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:48 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
I can assure you I am chilled, I am interested on people's opinions. |
My bad, misread the tone, have a good remainder of the evening. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 23:14 - Sep 16 with 2225 views | Fireboy2 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 23:01 - Sep 16 by swan_si |
My bad, misread the tone, have a good remainder of the evening. |
No probs Si 👌
I too hope I have quiet night mate, my eldest has an important RL match in Cumbria tomorrow 🤞 | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 23:18 - Sep 16 with 2211 views | lifelong |
I am friendly with a Cardiff fan who was at the game this evening. We have spoken this evening and he has said that it is the poorest Swansea side he had seen for many years, it’s difficult to argue with that. |  | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 00:28 - Sep 17 with 2029 views | QJumpingJack |
I am remember the Swans team was quite weak in 2002 in the FAW Cup Final at Ninian Park but they put up a fight and we only lost 1-0.
Tonight was the first time in a very long time that we have have not been competitive in a derby game. It's worrying and Duff is going to need to change things very quickiy in the coming days. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 07:44 - Sep 17 with 1776 views | Boundy |
“The energy and intensity was there, it was a lack of quality that let us down. was he referring to himself or the players ? | |
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 07:53 - Sep 17 with 1764 views | jack247 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 07:44 - Sep 17 by Boundy |
“The energy and intensity was there, it was a lack of quality that let us down. was he referring to himself or the players ? |
Energy and intensity is vital, of course it is, but you need a gameplan as well. He couldn’t have made it much easier for them.
He was right the first half was fairly even (I thought they shaded it) but that was because they really aren’t up to much either. Two very poor teams and they were still comfortably better than us in the second half. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 10:03 - Sep 17 with 1576 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 07:53 - Sep 17 by jack247 |
Energy and intensity is vital, of course it is, but you need a gameplan as well. He couldn’t have made it much easier for them.
He was right the first half was fairly even (I thought they shaded it) but that was because they really aren’t up to much either. Two very poor teams and they were still comfortably better than us in the second half. |
I thought the same.
Swans have played controlled Swanselona style football so well in the recent Doube Doube era.
Last night was the other side of the coin.
I think constantly selling our better players is not helping.
I think making so many late signings is not helping.
I think we will get better and we will need to to stay up.
Joey was a big miss, Fulton nowhere near as good.
Oli Coops, Cabango, and Cullen should all have started.
I rate Oli very highly. |  |
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 10:13 - Sep 17 with 1551 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 22:37 - Sep 16 by Treforys_Jack |
When was the last time we were outplayed against them. Should have started with Ben, Ollie and Cullen , at least they would have understood the meaning of the game. |
100% this.
However it’s a sad state of affairs that we’ve been reduced to needing hwyl to win this fixture, instead of good football played by talented players. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 11:43 - Sep 17 with 1380 views | CimlaHillJack |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 10:13 - Sep 17 by Gwyn737 |
100% this.
However it’s a sad state of affairs that we’ve been reduced to needing hwyl to win this fixture, instead of good football played by talented players. |
It was always going to a sticky start. So get back to basics.
4/4/2 or 4/5/1.
Give players a chance to play in their positions.
This wing back nonsense is a modern fallacy.
We have full backs trying to be midfielders.
We have centre halves trying to be midfielders.
There’s a reason they are not midfielders.
Duff could and should have put his process in place slowly.
But he has completely destroyed any passing.
The players look completely lost.
I know Grimsey takes stick for slowing things down but I felt for him
Yesterday. The wing backs neither defended nor attacked. And the others were in
limbo, with no direction.
How can you direct decent footballers to play hoof ball
after decades of pass and move ?
A slow change and some tweaks would have been the better option.
Listening to Duff last night, he sounded as stubborn and RM, if not more so. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 12:19 - Sep 17 with 1314 views | max936 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 07:53 - Sep 17 by jack247 |
Energy and intensity is vital, of course it is, but you need a gameplan as well. He couldn’t have made it much easier for them.
He was right the first half was fairly even (I thought they shaded it) but that was because they really aren’t up to much either. Two very poor teams and they were still comfortably better than us in the second half. |
We don't seem to have any leaders, game changers or a Captain for me we were shocking 6/10 first half, 3/10 2nd half.
Midfield is in dire need of some creativity, there must be unattached players out there who could do a better job in midfield than what we got at out disposal at the moment, lets face it it shouldn't be hard.
Fulton is a steady eddie but not what we needed at the moment as for our Captain I think its all been said.
The buck stops with Duff though and he looks way out of his depth as a Championship Manager, doesn't seem to have a clue in all honesty. Shocking! |  |
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 13:47 - Sep 17 with 1194 views | jack247 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 12:19 - Sep 17 by max936 |
We don't seem to have any leaders, game changers or a Captain for me we were shocking 6/10 first half, 3/10 2nd half.
Midfield is in dire need of some creativity, there must be unattached players out there who could do a better job in midfield than what we got at out disposal at the moment, lets face it it shouldn't be hard.
Fulton is a steady eddie but not what we needed at the moment as for our Captain I think its all been said.
The buck stops with Duff though and he looks way out of his depth as a Championship Manager, doesn't seem to have a clue in all honesty. Shocking! |
I’m not sure about game changers. We don’t have an Ntcham, but Patino has shown he can thread a through ball out of nowhere or put a cross exactly where the striker wants it. Ginelly has a bit of pace, bit of trickery and is willing to run at people.
Everything else I agree with Max. Our midfield has been overrun every game. I’m sure that could be put right with a formational tweak, but it appears he’s willing to keep persevering with something that doesn’t work. We’ve been here before.
Fulton goes missing for me. He’s great winning possession and putting tackles in, but doesn’t want it to feet in congested areas, so doesn’t give the back three an easy option when they are trying to play out. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 14:34 - Sep 17 with 1147 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 13:47 - Sep 17 by jack247 |
I’m not sure about game changers. We don’t have an Ntcham, but Patino has shown he can thread a through ball out of nowhere or put a cross exactly where the striker wants it. Ginelly has a bit of pace, bit of trickery and is willing to run at people.
Everything else I agree with Max. Our midfield has been overrun every game. I’m sure that could be put right with a formational tweak, but it appears he’s willing to keep persevering with something that doesn’t work. We’ve been here before.
Fulton goes missing for me. He’s great winning possession and putting tackles in, but doesn’t want it to feet in congested areas, so doesn’t give the back three an easy option when they are trying to play out. |
Seems simple to me. Go with a back four and two holding midfield, Grimes and Fulton with Patino more advanced. Yates up top with Cullen and Lowe either side. Change the players if you like but go with the system. But what do I know. | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 14:50 - Sep 17 with 1129 views | max936 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 13:47 - Sep 17 by jack247 |
I’m not sure about game changers. We don’t have an Ntcham, but Patino has shown he can thread a through ball out of nowhere or put a cross exactly where the striker wants it. Ginelly has a bit of pace, bit of trickery and is willing to run at people.
Everything else I agree with Max. Our midfield has been overrun every game. I’m sure that could be put right with a formational tweak, but it appears he’s willing to keep persevering with something that doesn’t work. We’ve been here before.
Fulton goes missing for me. He’s great winning possession and putting tackles in, but doesn’t want it to feet in congested areas, so doesn’t give the back three an easy option when they are trying to play out. |
Ntcham, Piroe and Manning all three can and have scored goals out of seemingly nothing, I don't see players in this current squad being able to so that! | |
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| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 14:54 - Sep 17 with 1123 views | jack247 |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 14:34 - Sep 17 by Whiterockin |
Seems simple to me. Go with a back four and two holding midfield, Grimes and Fulton with Patino more advanced. Yates up top with Cullen and Lowe either side. Change the players if you like but go with the system. But what do I know. |
Yeah I agree. We’ve been here before with managers refusing to change ineffective formations! | | | |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 15:00 - Sep 17 with 1102 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff City v Swansea City : Match day thread UPDATED ! on 14:50 - Sep 17 by max936 |
Ntcham, Piroe and Manning all three can and have scored goals out of seemingly nothing, I don't see players in this current squad being able to so that! |
Piroe got another two today. | | | |
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