| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 137246 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:56 - Apr 12 with 1495 views | controversial_jack |
It's irrelevant who is at fault | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:10 - Apr 12 with 1489 views | Boundy |
"Also you say that the Welsh Government have implemented these measures to force people out of their cars, do you really believe that?"
I suggest you read Llwybr Newydd: the Wales transport strategy 2021 , it clearly states that's exactly what their aim is | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:45 - Apr 12 with 1463 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:56 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
It's irrelevant who is at fault |
It's not when the Welsh Government are putting restrictions on driving but not pedestrians. Fabian Way by the university is an excellent example of curbing pedestrians crossing the road. Schemes like this should be mandatory in more areas and backed by the Senedd. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:58 - Apr 12 with 1451 views | onehunglow |
Pedestrian error
Now we really see what drivers attitudes are all about
Pedestrians walking around almost as bad as those on two wheels in Lycra
Horses are buggers too
All take up valuable space for dickead drivers | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:05 - Apr 12 with 1452 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:58 - Apr 12 by onehunglow |
Pedestrian error
Now we really see what drivers attitudes are all about
Pedestrians walking around almost as bad as those on two wheels in Lycra
Horses are buggers too
All take up valuable space for dickead drivers |
What you said was demonstrably false. Own it. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:23 - Apr 12 with 1443 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:56 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
It's irrelevant who is at fault |
Hardly irrelevant. Unless you identify the case of the accident you can't implement measures to reduce the cause of accidents. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:48 - Apr 12 with 1428 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:56 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
It's irrelevant who is at fault |
Another "controversial" comment without substance , Most of your best work is what you don't post | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:21 - Apr 12 with 1374 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:05 - Apr 12 by Dr_Winston |
What you said was demonstrably false. Own it. |
What you say is dangerous .
Your pretty open contempt for other road users is something you need to reflect on.
You wont ,of course, as it’s not comfortable .
Read up on recent changes regarding pedestrians ,cyclists and other road users . It might be the best read you ve ever had as it will enlighten you .
As a car user ,you do not have “priority” and if you are involved in a RTC ,chances are you will be held responsible .
Stay safe out there [Post edited 12 Apr 15:26]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:04 - Apr 12 with 1351 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:21 - Apr 12 by onehunglow |
What you say is dangerous .
Your pretty open contempt for other road users is something you need to reflect on.
You wont ,of course, as it’s not comfortable .
Read up on recent changes regarding pedestrians ,cyclists and other road users . It might be the best read you ve ever had as it will enlighten you .
As a car user ,you do not have “priority” and if you are involved in a RTC ,chances are you will be held responsible .
Stay safe out there [Post edited 12 Apr 15:26]
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You stated that most accidents are caused by drivers, something I proved to be incorrect in ten seconds on Google. At best this is just wrong, at worst an outright lie.
I have read the changes and I believe them to be a massive mistake. We've already demonstrated that most accidents are caused by a lack of care from pedestrians. Giving them even more grounds to consider highways as basically pavement/cycle path extensions will result in more accidents, not less.
Roads should be considered the same way as railway lines. Open for others to cross, but briefly and with extreme caution. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:08 - Apr 12 with 1348 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:48 - Apr 12 by Boundy |
Another "controversial" comment without substance , Most of your best work is what you don't post |
So you want to blame the victims? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:35 - Apr 12 with 1333 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:08 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
So you want to blame the victims? |
One could say that if a driver is driving carefully and at the correct speed and a pedestrian walks out in front of him and the driver is traumatised, they are the victim. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:10 - Apr 12 with 1298 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:04 - Apr 12 by Dr_Winston |
You stated that most accidents are caused by drivers, something I proved to be incorrect in ten seconds on Google. At best this is just wrong, at worst an outright lie.
I have read the changes and I believe them to be a massive mistake. We've already demonstrated that most accidents are caused by a lack of care from pedestrians. Giving them even more grounds to consider highways as basically pavement/cycle path extensions will result in more accidents, not less.
Roads should be considered the same way as railway lines. Open for others to cross, but briefly and with extreme caution. |
You googled that .
Recently, legislation has stipulated pedestrians take priority on a road and drivers informed to allow a specified gap.
That is because drivers do not afford sufficient space for other road users and contact kills the pedestrian .
I suggest ,rather than trying to justify your hatred of cyclists and pedestrians you try to contact any Police Traffic officer / investigator | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:14 - Apr 12 with 1291 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:35 - Apr 12 by Whiterockin |
One could say that if a driver is driving carefully and at the correct speed and a pedestrian walks out in front of him and the driver is traumatised, they are the victim. |
For examples of drivers attitudes, check out those dropping off their kids outside schools because they can’t be arsed to walk to school.
In Holland,most kids cycle to school and parents invariably have a trailer attached to collect two kids .
There again,all Dutch cities have proper cycle lanes and traffic lights .
Hit a cyclist and it is always the drivers “ fault”
Fact | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:52 - Apr 12 with 1234 views | onehunglow |
Absolutely Cat.
We are seeing sone horrific comments on this topic
It is because car drivers believe they are pre - eminent road users
The converse is true and they’d better wake up to this fact
Pyssed up or drugged drivers don’t normally mow down innocent people on the highways of this land .
Biggest issue we have now is drugged drivers m clowns who think it’s ok to drive a ton of mechanised metal 12 hours after having a simple spliff | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Apr 12 with 1192 views | lifelong |
Neighbour of ours was a car passenger this afternoon near Loughor Monument, the driver was stopped for doing 26mph in a 20mph limit zone.
Eventually given a warning and went on his way, what sort of message is that giving out? |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:08 - Apr 12 with 1181 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
Neighbour of ours was a car passenger this afternoon near Loughor Monument, the driver was stopped for doing 26mph in a 20mph limit zone.
Eventually given a warning and went on his way, what sort of message is that giving out? |
That it was pointless changing the speed limit. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:01 - Apr 12 with 1133 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:56 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
Neighbour of ours was a car passenger this afternoon near Loughor Monument, the driver was stopped for doing 26mph in a 20mph limit zone.
Eventually given a warning and went on his way, what sort of message is that giving out? |
Perhaps it was at its least busiest time of the day with no pedestrians , children skipping or flower sellers selling their wares and a common sense approach was made . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:01 - Apr 12 with 1097 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:01 - Apr 12 by Boundy |
Perhaps it was at its least busiest time of the day with no pedestrians , children skipping or flower sellers selling their wares and a common sense approach was made . |
It was at the time that a very busy primary school would have been breaking up. The school was about 200 yards away and he had driven from that location. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:07 - Apr 13 with 1039 views | majorraglan |
About 2.5 years ago wifey was driving at about 24/25 mph in a 30mph zone when a child of secondary school age stepped off the pavement directly in front of my wife’s car, said child was thrown on to the bonnet, over the windscreen, along the car and landed on the road. Wifey’s car sustained over £2.5k worth of damage. The child was taken to hospital where they were checked out, luckily they didn’t sustain any major injuries only a few cuts and bruises. The police attended, investigated and submitted their report - we received a letter informing us No Further Action was being taken a few days later. It appears the child wasn’t paying attention and was more interested in their phone than road safety.
Had wifey not been traveling below the speed limit then the child could have been seriously injured. There’s defo a place for a reduced speed limit and there are defo benefits in having a 20mph limit, but it needs to be a sensible pragmatic approach.
The morons, idiots, incompetent will be a danger whatever the speed limit. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:08 - Apr 13 with 998 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:54 - Aug 4 by controversial_jack |
Don't get me wrong, i'm not against it at all, just that it wasn't even the case when there was real poverty around in the 60s, not like today |
Real poverty!
More so in the 20s and 30s | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:26 - Apr 13 with 936 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:52 - Apr 12 by onehunglow |
Absolutely Cat.
We are seeing sone horrific comments on this topic
It is because car drivers believe they are pre - eminent road users
The converse is true and they’d better wake up to this fact
Pyssed up or drugged drivers don’t normally mow down innocent people on the highways of this land .
Biggest issue we have now is drugged drivers m clowns who think it’s ok to drive a ton of mechanised metal 12 hours after having a simple spliff |
Roads are for wheeled vehicles, pavements are for pedestrians. All drivers are pedestrians at some point. Not all pedestrians are drivers or cyclists though.
When crossing a road designed for vehicles then pedestrians should have to pay as much attention as we expect drivers to. if we give pedestrians right of way and absolve them from blame where does it end up? How long before criminal gangs start having acidents on roads by just walking out in front of any car?
What happened to personal responsibility. When people hike up Snowdon or around Brecon, id they get hurt we don't blame the countryside? When stupid people cross train tracks and get hit, we don't blame the trains?
Yet people can wander out in front of cars without looking and it's always the drivers fault? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:42 - Apr 13 with 933 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:26 - Apr 13 by SullutaCreturned |
Roads are for wheeled vehicles, pavements are for pedestrians. All drivers are pedestrians at some point. Not all pedestrians are drivers or cyclists though.
When crossing a road designed for vehicles then pedestrians should have to pay as much attention as we expect drivers to. if we give pedestrians right of way and absolve them from blame where does it end up? How long before criminal gangs start having acidents on roads by just walking out in front of any car?
What happened to personal responsibility. When people hike up Snowdon or around Brecon, id they get hurt we don't blame the countryside? When stupid people cross train tracks and get hit, we don't blame the trains?
Yet people can wander out in front of cars without looking and it's always the drivers fault? |
Criminal gangs already manufacture accidents by walking out in front of cars. It happened to my Dad in Sketty. Tried to make him pay money instead of reporting it to the Police.
My old man told them to f*ck off and phone the Old Bill, in response to which the "victim" and his mate who happened to be nearby scarpered. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:51 - Apr 14 with 866 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:26 - Apr 13 by SullutaCreturned |
Roads are for wheeled vehicles, pavements are for pedestrians. All drivers are pedestrians at some point. Not all pedestrians are drivers or cyclists though.
When crossing a road designed for vehicles then pedestrians should have to pay as much attention as we expect drivers to. if we give pedestrians right of way and absolve them from blame where does it end up? How long before criminal gangs start having acidents on roads by just walking out in front of any car?
What happened to personal responsibility. When people hike up Snowdon or around Brecon, id they get hurt we don't blame the countryside? When stupid people cross train tracks and get hit, we don't blame the trains?
Yet people can wander out in front of cars without looking and it's always the drivers fault? |
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/192 | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:14 - Apr 14 with 839 views | SullutaCreturned |
Im not disputing the legislation I;m just saying I think it is stupid. Just like with the 20mph limits, all drivers are being made scapegoats for the idiots who drive badly/dangerously and/or under the influence.
it should be up to ALL of us to behave responsibly.
I have to attend regular health and safety training at work and they always ask the same question to start, who's responsibility is H&S? The answer is everyone. Yet road safety shifts the blame onto the driver even if they did nothing wrong? | | | |
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