| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 137478 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:41 - Mar 5 with 1231 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 03:35 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Most people do agree with a 20 mph policy where lives can be saved. Schools, shops etc.
Just catching up with the many English cities that are already 20 mph. |
Wales catching up with England again? |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Mar 5 with 1194 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 03:35 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Most people do agree with a 20 mph policy where lives can be saved. Schools, shops etc.
Just catching up with the many English cities that are already 20 mph. |
Very few disagrees with 20 mph limits where they are necessary, like outside schools or narrow residential streets.
It is the imposition of 20 mph as the default/blanket limit that responsible motorist object to as the 470,000 people who have signed the Senedd petition proves.
Most accidents in residential areas are NOT caused by motorist driving safely at 27/28 mph but are caused by speeding motorist, dangerous and careless driving plus drug and drink driving as well as using mobile phones when driving.
The 20 mph law does nothing to address these safety issues. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:23 - Mar 5 with 1182 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Mar 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Very few disagrees with 20 mph limits where they are necessary, like outside schools or narrow residential streets.
It is the imposition of 20 mph as the default/blanket limit that responsible motorist object to as the 470,000 people who have signed the Senedd petition proves.
Most accidents in residential areas are NOT caused by motorist driving safely at 27/28 mph but are caused by speeding motorist, dangerous and careless driving plus drug and drink driving as well as using mobile phones when driving.
The 20 mph law does nothing to address these safety issues. |
You’re on fire
Another cracking post
Biggest oroblem we have is drug affected drivers and no insurance
Together they are significant | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:31 - Mar 5 with 1170 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Mar 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Very few disagrees with 20 mph limits where they are necessary, like outside schools or narrow residential streets.
It is the imposition of 20 mph as the default/blanket limit that responsible motorist object to as the 470,000 people who have signed the Senedd petition proves.
Most accidents in residential areas are NOT caused by motorist driving safely at 27/28 mph but are caused by speeding motorist, dangerous and careless driving plus drug and drink driving as well as using mobile phones when driving.
The 20 mph law does nothing to address these safety issues. |
I suspect you'll find that most accidents involving pedestrians in residential areas are because pedestrians have done something dumb, like a child running into the road or one of the zombies you quite often see crossing a road whilst engrossed in their phones.
For example, the most recent fatality on Woodfield St on Morriston involved a drunk stepping into the road in front of a bus. Of course, the standard response to this by Swansea Council was to install speed bumps as if the bus was the problem here.
In reality poor driving is responsible for a very small amount of accidents. Unfortunately recent changes to the highway code giving all other types of road users priority ahead of vehicles for whom the roads exist in the first place will only exacerbate the problem.
Anyone stepping into the road should do so with extreme care, basic stuff that had been taught to kids for decades. Effectively turning them into pavement extensions will cause more problems. [Post edited 5 Mar 10:35]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:51 - Mar 5 with 1154 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:43 - Mar 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Very few disagrees with 20 mph limits where they are necessary, like outside schools or narrow residential streets.
It is the imposition of 20 mph as the default/blanket limit that responsible motorist object to as the 470,000 people who have signed the Senedd petition proves.
Most accidents in residential areas are NOT caused by motorist driving safely at 27/28 mph but are caused by speeding motorist, dangerous and careless driving plus drug and drink driving as well as using mobile phones when driving.
The 20 mph law does nothing to address these safety issues. |
Why is it then that long term studies, in a number of locations, have shown that 20mph speed limits have significantly reduced the number of collisions, serious injuries and deaths? |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:16 - Mar 5 with 1118 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:51 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
Why is it then that long term studies, in a number of locations, have shown that 20mph speed limits have significantly reduced the number of collisions, serious injuries and deaths? |
Is there any substantial evidence to support that, or has it been worked out on the back of a cigarette packet, like most of the statistics that come out of the senedd. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:26 - Mar 5 with 1094 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:16 - Mar 5 by Flashberryjack |
Is there any substantial evidence to support that, or has it been worked out on the back of a cigarette packet, like most of the statistics that come out of the senedd. |
The statistics are not from the Senedd they are from other part of the UK and further afield, they are posted on this thread. Can’t be arsed to put them up again nobody takes any notice of them. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:47 - Mar 5 with 1077 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:26 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
The statistics are not from the Senedd they are from other part of the UK and further afield, they are posted on this thread. Can’t be arsed to put them up again nobody takes any notice of them. |
So the data says basically that, the faster a car hits you the more likely you are to be seriously injured killed (no sh*t sherlock).
It's just like saying the higher up a ladder you are when you fall, the greater the chance of serious injury or death, then the answer to that would be, restrict the height you are allowed to climb a ladder, think of all the lives and injuries it would save. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 18:52 - Mar 5 with 1018 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:51 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
Why is it then that long term studies, in a number of locations, have shown that 20mph speed limits have significantly reduced the number of collisions, serious injuries and deaths? |
Actually what those studies will show is that people obeying the speed limits and driving safely will save lives.
As we have seen in the news recently, people who still speed, drive dangerously and whilst under the influence of something illegal will continue to kill people.
How many different locations were there? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:01 - Mar 5 with 1011 views | Gwyn737 |
I’ve not been back since the introduction so have no experience of it.
What’s it been like actually living with it?
Is everyone late? Have bus timetables gone up the swanny? Are emergency services struggling to get to incidents? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:03 - Mar 5 with 1011 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:47 - Mar 5 by Flashberryjack |
So the data says basically that, the faster a car hits you the more likely you are to be seriously injured killed (no sh*t sherlock).
It's just like saying the higher up a ladder you are when you fall, the greater the chance of serious injury or death, then the answer to that would be, restrict the height you are allowed to climb a ladder, think of all the lives and injuries it would save. |
There have been a few silly replies against the 20mph limit, but fair play this one takes the biscuit. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:13 - Mar 5 with 978 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:03 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
There have been a few silly replies against the 20mph limit, but fair play this one takes the biscuit. |
These are not anti Welsh comments btw.  | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:19 - Mar 5 with 979 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:03 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
There have been a few silly replies against the 20mph limit, but fair play this one takes the biscuit. |
There are a few silly people about mind, 460,000 of them actually, and then there's Waters, Drakeford and a few other blind faith followers who believe every bit of guff that's fed to them.
BTW, which part of my post don't you agree with ? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:20 - Mar 5 with 972 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:01 - Mar 5 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve not been back since the introduction so have no experience of it.
What’s it been like actually living with it?
Is everyone late? Have bus timetables gone up the swanny? Are emergency services struggling to get to incidents? |
It depends on which roads you regularly use. For me it’s been a lot of fuss about nothing.
For example, driving from Sketty to watch the Swans only about half a mile of the entire route has changed from 30 to 20 and this is a residential street on which 30mph is, in my opinion, dangerous because of the close proximity of houses and lots of parked cars.
The only frustrating thing that I have experienced is people doing 20mph on roads that have speed limits of 30 and 40 mph. Maybe they believe that 20mph is a blanket coverage and ignore the actual signs? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:28 - Mar 5 with 952 views | builthjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:01 - Mar 5 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve not been back since the introduction so have no experience of it.
What’s it been like actually living with it?
Is everyone late? Have bus timetables gone up the swanny? Are emergency services struggling to get to incidents? |
Fine. Less maniacs driving too fast.
They shouldn’t be late if they allow enough time.
Bus timetables are fine, no probs.
Emergency services are getting there quicker, as cars are taking less time to slow down and pull aside.
It’s all rosy. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:49 - Mar 5 with 930 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:19 - Mar 5 by Flashberryjack |
There are a few silly people about mind, 460,000 of them actually, and then there's Waters, Drakeford and a few other blind faith followers who believe every bit of guff that's fed to them.
BTW, which part of my post don't you agree with ? |
There a quite a few people about who want to see a reduction in the accident statistics in 30mph limits and there are others that don’t give a shite.
Your comparison between somebody falling off a ladder and somebody being injured in a road accident is just silly. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:14 - Mar 5 with 897 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:49 - Mar 5 by lifelong |
There a quite a few people about who want to see a reduction in the accident statistics in 30mph limits and there are others that don’t give a shite.
Your comparison between somebody falling off a ladder and somebody being injured in a road accident is just silly. |
Why not bring the speed limit down to 10 mph if statistics say speed saves lives ?
There are plenty that think 20mph causes more accidents than it saves. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:16 - Mar 5 with 889 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:41 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
Wales catching up with England again? |
Fair play to England leading the way at 20 mph.
The gammons on here will be furious. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:31 - Mar 5 with 874 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:16 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Fair play to England leading the way at 20 mph.
The gammons on here will be furious. |
I wonder if those 20 symbols were on every road with a 30 sign with a lot of them then changing back if/when an exemption was granted, or did they do it properly, plan the changes and only apply the 20 where it was needed?
Anything else would be a massive waste of money, yes?
PS, we're not catching up with England, these 20's are done by local authorities not the government,
"The Government has, however, rejected calls from road safety group Brake to extend the 20mph default limit to England" | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:03 - Mar 5 with 827 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:47 - Mar 5 by Flashberryjack |
So the data says basically that, the faster a car hits you the more likely you are to be seriously injured killed (no sh*t sherlock).
It's just like saying the higher up a ladder you are when you fall, the greater the chance of serious injury or death, then the answer to that would be, restrict the height you are allowed to climb a ladder, think of all the lives and injuries it would save. |
In terms of the point you make about ladders, thats happened and is why scaffolding is so prevalent and expensive these days as working on ladders is now limited.
That said, as many have said there’s a time and place for 20’s and a default 20 is not appropriate. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:25 - Mar 6 with 759 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:16 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Fair play to England leading the way at 20 mph.
The gammons on here will be furious. |
England always leads  | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:39 - Mar 6 with 753 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:03 - Mar 5 by majorraglan |
In terms of the point you make about ladders, thats happened and is why scaffolding is so prevalent and expensive these days as working on ladders is now limited.
That said, as many have said there’s a time and place for 20’s and a default 20 is not appropriate. |
Falling from a height of 20 ft is deemed usually fatal | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:43 - Mar 6 with 727 views | Togg |
Some good news then. Causes the damage then does a runner.. hopeless!! | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:40 - Mar 6 with 693 views | SullutaCreturned |
Maybe because the vast majority and even people in his own party have come to the conclusion that he's useless?
The 20MPh is absolutely fine where it is needed but bringing it in first and saying the roads can be changed back to 30 on applying for an exemption was putting te cart before the horse.
It should have been planned properly, the 20's put in where they were needed and maybe other speed limits should have been reviewed too. Some roads have a higher speed limit and it doesn't seem safe to me. The first one on my mind is Peniel Green road from Birchgrive roandabout down to the Texaco garage, the part from the garage down into Skewen was put to 20 then changed back to 30 but the rest of it was left at 40, that seems too fast to me, it's a bus route, it's fairly busy, there is quite a lot of pedestrian movement and the road isn't straight with ther being a car sales place on one side which regularly moves vehicles. I think it should be 30.
This was the big issue for me, it was never about the slowing down of traffic it was always about the planning and implementation, it was half assed and done at a greater cost than needed to be. | | | |
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