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The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 140652 viewsSullutaCreturned

Well the punishment for breaking the limit,

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-

Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.

The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.

Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.

I wonder if cancers will also increase?

By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness.
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The 20MPH punishments on 18:29 - Dec 31 with 1515 viewsWingstandwood

Transport is going so well in backward E- grade Wales!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/staggering-number-trains-swansea-w

Argus!

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The 20MPH punishments on 20:19 - Dec 31 with 1464 viewsSullutaCreturned

The 20MPH punishments on 18:29 - Dec 31 by Wingstandwood

Transport is going so well in backward E- grade Wales!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/staggering-number-trains-swansea-w


Over one THOUSAND cancelled trains to Swansea and SW Wales! We're not allowed to moan about it though, we're better off just leaving the country if we're so unhappy.
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The 20MPH punishments on 12:25 - Jan 1 with 1400 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 18:29 - Dec 31 by Wingstandwood

Transport is going so well in backward E- grade Wales!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/staggering-number-trains-swansea-w


Would be worse once the Railways are nationalised. Oh TFW is already nationalised and run by Drakeford.

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The 20MPH punishments on 17:32 - Jan 1 with 1369 viewsWingstandwood

The 20MPH punishments on 12:25 - Jan 1 by felixstowe_jack

Would be worse once the Railways are nationalised. Oh TFW is already nationalised and run by Drakeford.


It's rather surreal to contemplate the complete and utter lack of awareness and common sense regarding cloud-cuckoo-land Cardiff Bay yokles that apparently want to break the habit/reliance of car usage.

But with bus services being non-existent, or only coming once every two hours in many area’s along with a train service that is utterly reliable, how do they think people will be able to get from A to B?

By wheelbarrow? By coracle? Or by foot? This is the caliber of dim-wit that now infests Welsh government.

Argus!

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The 20MPH punishments on 09:21 - Jan 2 with 1307 viewscontroversial_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 12:25 - Jan 1 by felixstowe_jack

Would be worse once the Railways are nationalised. Oh TFW is already nationalised and run by Drakeford.


It's not run by the Welsh govt
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The 20MPH punishments on 09:50 - Jan 2 with 1291 viewsBoundy

The 20MPH punishments on 09:21 - Jan 2 by controversial_jack

It's not run by the Welsh govt


Really ? the majority of the network in Wales is run by TFW which is owned by the dimwits in Cardiff ( under the moth eaten umbrella of being publicly owned ),who in turn decide the policy and which routes remain viable etc so yes they do run it .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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The 20MPH punishments on 12:31 - Jan 2 with 1259 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 09:21 - Jan 2 by controversial_jack

It's not run by the Welsh govt


Tfw was taken over by the Welsh government on 7th February 2021.

I quote " TFW is Welsh government owned company."
"It exist to drive forward the Welsh Government's vision of a high quality, safe , integrated accessible affordable network that the people of Wales can be proud off"

Network Rail own the infrastructure and station on the South Wales mainline upto and including Swansea.

GWR have the franchise to run services from Carmarthen to Paddington.

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The 20MPH punishments on 23:48 - Jan 2 with 1187 viewscontroversial_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 12:31 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack

Tfw was taken over by the Welsh government on 7th February 2021.

I quote " TFW is Welsh government owned company."
"It exist to drive forward the Welsh Government's vision of a high quality, safe , integrated accessible affordable network that the people of Wales can be proud off"

Network Rail own the infrastructure and station on the South Wales mainline upto and including Swansea.

GWR have the franchise to run services from Carmarthen to Paddington.


The Welsh govt owns it, but doesn’t run it
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:43 - Jan 3 with 1144 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 23:48 - Jan 2 by controversial_jack

The Welsh govt owns it, but doesn’t run it


If you own it you run it or you are responsible for the people who run it on your behalf.

Glad to clarify that for you. Good of you to also agreed the Welsh Government's running of Tfw has been as disastersous as their running of Cardiff airports
Both had to bailed out from the Welsh Government budget. Money that could have been better spent on the Failing Welsh NHS and education system.

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The 20MPH punishments on 13:04 - Jan 3 with 1105 viewscontroversial_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 10:43 - Jan 3 by felixstowe_jack

If you own it you run it or you are responsible for the people who run it on your behalf.

Glad to clarify that for you. Good of you to also agreed the Welsh Government's running of Tfw has been as disastersous as their running of Cardiff airports
Both had to bailed out from the Welsh Government budget. Money that could have been better spent on the Failing Welsh NHS and education system.


The Americans own the Swans, but they don't run the club. Come to that, who does?
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The 20MPH punishments on 20:09 - Jan 3 with 1061 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 13:04 - Jan 3 by controversial_jack

The Americans own the Swans, but they don't run the club. Come to that, who does?


Still trying to deflect from the point that Tfw is run and subsidised by the Welsh Government

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The 20MPH punishments on 22:05 - Jan 3 with 1050 viewsmajorraglan

The 20MPH punishments on 10:43 - Jan 3 by felixstowe_jack

If you own it you run it or you are responsible for the people who run it on your behalf.

Glad to clarify that for you. Good of you to also agreed the Welsh Government's running of Tfw has been as disastersous as their running of Cardiff airports
Both had to bailed out from the Welsh Government budget. Money that could have been better spent on the Failing Welsh NHS and education system.


The WG are defo responsible for some aspects of the underperformance, the train manufacturers who failed to deliver the new trains in the numbers orders are also culpable - they are blaming Covid.
Another organisation who should also be held to account are Network Rail who manage the infrastructure including track and signal, this article from a recent edition of the Daily Telegraph doesn’t paint a very good picture, a £1.25m project is now 10 ears late and coming in £8m over budget. In the end.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/01/network-rail-pedestrian-bridge-empir
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The 20MPH punishments on 22:11 - Jan 3 with 1038 viewscontroversial_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 20:09 - Jan 3 by felixstowe_jack

Still trying to deflect from the point that Tfw is run and subsidised by the Welsh Government


It’s funded yes, but it’s not run by them. Just as the NHS is run by local trusts and not the Govt
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The 20MPH punishments on 08:12 - Jan 4 with 995 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 22:11 - Jan 3 by controversial_jack

It’s funded yes, but it’s not run by them. Just as the NHS is run by local trusts and not the Govt


Yet you are happy to blame the UK government for the State if the NHS . Tfw is owned and is the responsibility of the Wrkah Government. Just as the Welsh Government are responsible for the 20 mph law and blanket restrictions.

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The 20MPH punishments on 09:25 - Jan 4 with 981 viewslifelong

The 20MPH punishments on 08:12 - Jan 4 by felixstowe_jack

Yet you are happy to blame the UK government for the State if the NHS . Tfw is owned and is the responsibility of the Wrkah Government. Just as the Welsh Government are responsible for the 20 mph law and blanket restrictions.


If you keep on saying blanket restrictions you might convince yourself that all roads that were 30mph are now 20mph, which is clearly not the case.
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:06 - Jan 4 with 974 viewsonehunglow

The 20MPH punishments on 09:25 - Jan 4 by lifelong

If you keep on saying blanket restrictions you might convince yourself that all roads that were 30mph are now 20mph, which is clearly not the case.


Drivers a,so need to reflect on the fact that speed limits can be too high for the conditions .
Not solely a matter about limit# but driving skills

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The 20MPH punishments on 10:08 - Jan 4 with 972 viewsWhiterockin

The 20MPH punishments on 09:25 - Jan 4 by lifelong

If you keep on saying blanket restrictions you might convince yourself that all roads that were 30mph are now 20mph, which is clearly not the case.


Are you the same lifelong that sometimes has a 20 mph avatar and sometimes a guy fishing.
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:20 - Jan 4 with 964 viewslifelong

The 20MPH punishments on 10:08 - Jan 4 by Whiterockin

Are you the same lifelong that sometimes has a 20 mph avatar and sometimes a guy fishing.


Eh?
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:29 - Jan 4 with 957 viewsWhiterockin

The 20MPH punishments on 10:20 - Jan 4 by lifelong

Eh?


I will ask the same question again when I see the 20 mph avatar.
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:45 - Jan 4 with 947 viewscontroversial_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 09:25 - Jan 4 by lifelong

If you keep on saying blanket restrictions you might convince yourself that all roads that were 30mph are now 20mph, which is clearly not the case.


He just doesn't get how things work.
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The 20MPH punishments on 10:46 - Jan 4 with 948 viewsonehunglow

The 20MPH punishments on 10:45 - Jan 4 by controversial_jack

He just doesn't get how things work.


He does alright

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The 20MPH punishments on 11:00 - Jan 5 with 866 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 09:25 - Jan 4 by lifelong

If you keep on saying blanket restrictions you might convince yourself that all roads that were 30mph are now 20mph, which is clearly not the case.


The default for urban roads in Wales is 20mph. 30mph are exemptions and have to be applied for on a road by road basis.

Not sure why you don't understand that simple fact.

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The 20MPH punishments on 15:35 - Jan 5 with 836 viewslifelong

The 20MPH punishments on 11:00 - Jan 5 by felixstowe_jack

The default for urban roads in Wales is 20mph. 30mph are exemptions and have to be applied for on a road by road basis.

Not sure why you don't understand that simple fact.


Yes, the default is 20mph and an application can be made to change it. Blanket means a total and complete action, look up the definition and then maybe you’ll understand that the 20mph is not a blanket regulation.
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The 20MPH punishments on 09:42 - Jan 7 with 737 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The 20MPH punishments on 15:35 - Jan 5 by lifelong

Yes, the default is 20mph and an application can be made to change it. Blanket means a total and complete action, look up the definition and then maybe you’ll understand that the 20mph is not a blanket regulation.


You are correct the 20mph law is the blanket speed limit in urban areas in Wales unless, as you state, an exemption is applied for.

In England 30mph is the blanket speed limit in urban areas unless and exemption is applied for.

Glad to to see you are finally getting the point.

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The 20MPH punishments on 10:06 - Jan 7 with 723 viewslifelong

The 20MPH punishments on 09:42 - Jan 7 by felixstowe_jack

You are correct the 20mph law is the blanket speed limit in urban areas in Wales unless, as you state, an exemption is applied for.

In England 30mph is the blanket speed limit in urban areas unless and exemption is applied for.

Glad to to see you are finally getting the point.


Blanket means ‘total and complete’ which means it can’t be changed, surprised that you can’t see the point.
Let’s face it Felix, I agree with the new restrictions, you don’t. I want to see serious accidents reduced on our 30 mph roads and you appear to want things to remain the same.
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