| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 150799 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:33 - Nov 11 with 1850 views | shingle |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:04 - Nov 10 by SullutaCreturned |
That's democracy for you, we elect a small group of people to tell us what to do, and they do it.
You do understand how democracy works I take it?
Thing is, we also get a chance to remove them from power in a fixed term so lets hope enough registered voters have had enough. |
For me it is the people who are just as much a problem as the idiots they put in charge of them, i look at Llanelli for eg the place has become a cesspit, people spend much of there time sitting in traffic trying to get back and fore to work after what was implemented in Stradey the back lanes are filthy and rat invested, station road is a drug haven for dealers and addicts the surgeries and getting to see a GP is shambolic, people have to travel to Swansea or Carmarthen because the hospital can not cope because the headers in charge shut down and closed all the near by support centres the people of Llanelli can see the decline of there town yet will vote for the same people every time so you have to come to the conclusion that the fools will get what they deserve. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:52 - Nov 11 with 1832 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:33 - Nov 11 by shingle |
For me it is the people who are just as much a problem as the idiots they put in charge of them, i look at Llanelli for eg the place has become a cesspit, people spend much of there time sitting in traffic trying to get back and fore to work after what was implemented in Stradey the back lanes are filthy and rat invested, station road is a drug haven for dealers and addicts the surgeries and getting to see a GP is shambolic, people have to travel to Swansea or Carmarthen because the hospital can not cope because the headers in charge shut down and closed all the near by support centres the people of Llanelli can see the decline of there town yet will vote for the same people every time so you have to come to the conclusion that the fools will get what they deserve. |
Not just the fools, those f us who won't vote Labour or Tory get stuck with it too. Until people learn they need to make a different choice we are stuck with it. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:26 - Nov 12 with 1750 views | shingle |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:52 - Nov 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Not just the fools, those f us who won't vote Labour or Tory get stuck with it too. Until people learn they need to make a different choice we are stuck with it. |
So true, and so frustrating. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:49 - Nov 13 with 1669 views | felixstowe_jack |
A recent report by the AA says that converting single carriageways to dual carriageways is the quickest way to reduce both pollution and congestion as well as cutting road deaths as dual carriageways are intrinsically safer than single carriageways . Wonder if the Welsh government will take note . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 18:49 - Nov 13 with 1642 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:49 - Nov 13 by felixstowe_jack |
A recent report by the AA says that converting single carriageways to dual carriageways is the quickest way to reduce both pollution and congestion as well as cutting road deaths as dual carriageways are intrinsically safer than single carriageways . Wonder if the Welsh government will take note . |
Nah, technically it means building more roads so that'll never be considered because it costs more to build stuff than to find a way to punish and fine people. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:44 - Nov 14 with 1565 views | Wingstandwood |
Farce!
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/23922128.speed-limit-reduced-40mph-llangollen-
The Welsh Government says it has cut the speed limit on the road between Llangollen and the village of Berwyn to create a 20mph 'buffer'.
QUOTE: The traffic regulation change has been in place since November 10 and has seen THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGED FROM 60MPH TO 40MPH.
The Welsh Government said: "The introduction of the 40mph speed limit is intended to improve road safety by creating a buffer zone between the length of the A5 trunk road which is currently subject to a 60mph national speed limit and the 20mph speed limit through the town of Llangollen." |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:44 - Nov 14 with 1544 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:44 - Nov 14 by Wingstandwood |
Farce!
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/23922128.speed-limit-reduced-40mph-llangollen-
The Welsh Government says it has cut the speed limit on the road between Llangollen and the village of Berwyn to create a 20mph 'buffer'.
QUOTE: The traffic regulation change has been in place since November 10 and has seen THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGED FROM 60MPH TO 40MPH.
The Welsh Government said: "The introduction of the 40mph speed limit is intended to improve road safety by creating a buffer zone between the length of the A5 trunk road which is currently subject to a 60mph national speed limit and the 20mph speed limit through the town of Llangollen." |
A5 through Llangollen 20mph Wingy?
That’ll be something .
Summer Fun ,not. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:53 - Nov 15 with 1404 views | felixstowe_jack |
Looks like a cash machine. I am Sure Drakeford will will soon be introducing them in Swansea, Cardiff and Newport as part of his road charging bill outlined in the "national transport plan." | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:39 - Nov 15 with 1385 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:53 - Nov 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Looks like a cash machine. I am Sure Drakeford will will soon be introducing them in Swansea, Cardiff and Newport as part of his road charging bill outlined in the "national transport plan." |
Wasn't the Ullez a Boris Johnson idea? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:36 - Nov 15 with 1358 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:39 - Nov 15 by controversial_jack |
Wasn't the Ullez a Boris Johnson idea? |
Indeed it was. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:52 - Nov 15 with 1309 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:39 - Nov 15 by controversial_jack |
Wasn't the Ullez a Boris Johnson idea? |
A plan is just that, a plan, what's important is who implements it | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:52 - Nov 15 with 1312 views | SullutaCreturned |
That council fined drivers of council vehicles who the council had probably sent there, doesn't seem fair.
It's not a war on motorists though so that's ok. It must be a way to bump up revenue so councillors epenses can be raised, or in Wales case so they can pay for the extra MS's we don't want or need.
On Llangollen, having a 40 buffer makes sense really, going from 60 straight down to 20 is silly and dangerous. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:14 - Nov 15 with 1284 views | Boundy |
Grace period will ending shortly then its full enforcement :
Mobile speed cameras are in the following locations in Wales for November 2023 according to GoSafe:
Swansea
A4118 near Knelston Primary School, Knelston
Pennard Road/Kittle
B4295/New Road/Crofty
A483/Fabian Way/near Port Tennant Road
B5444 Bonymaen Road, Pentrechwyth
Belgrave Road, Gorseinon
Heol Y Mynydd/Gorseinon
B4296 Grovesend, Swansea
Bolgoed Road, Pontarddulais
Swansea Road/Llangyfelach Road/Llangyfelach
A48/Clasemont Road/Morriston
Birchgrove Road, Glais
St Joseph's Catholic Primary School, Pontardawe Road, Clydach
Carmarthenshire
Pembrey CP School
A484/Burry Port/30mph Speed Limit Area
Old Road Community Primary School
Heol Goffa, Llanelli North
Corporation Avenue, Llanelli North
Penallt Road/Brynallt Terrace, Llanelli
Capel Isaf Road, Llanelli North
Capel Road, Llanelli North
Bryngwyn Road, Llanelli North
Bryn Community Primary School
Dafen Community Primary School
Bryngwyn School, Llanelli North
Dafen Road, Llanelli North
B4309/Five Roads
A484/Kingswood
B4317/Heol Capel Ifan/Pontyberem
Pontyberem Primary School
B4309/Pontantwn
A484/Idole
A484/Cwmffrwd
Rhydygors School
Llangunnor Primary School
Model Church in Wales School
B4310/Porthyrhyd
Drefach CP School
B4317/Derwen Road/Cwmmawr
Y Tumble
Llechyfedach CP School
Cefneithin Primary School
Ysgol Gynradd Cross Hands
A476/Cross Hands Rdbt To Phoenix Inn/Gorslas (1)
Cwmgwilli
A476/Carmel South
A476/Carmel North
B4297/Coopers Road/Capel Hendre/Tycroes
Saron Primary School
Dyffryn Road/Saron Village
A483/Llandeilo Road/Llandybie
A483/Heol Cennen/Fairfach
Betws Primary School
A474/Pontamman | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:18 - Nov 16 with 1248 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:52 - Nov 15 by SullutaCreturned |
That council fined drivers of council vehicles who the council had probably sent there, doesn't seem fair.
It's not a war on motorists though so that's ok. It must be a way to bump up revenue so councillors epenses can be raised, or in Wales case so they can pay for the extra MS's we don't want or need.
On Llangollen, having a 40 buffer makes sense really, going from 60 straight down to 20 is silly and dangerous. |
Yes having a 20 mph on a major road is really silly. Should have remained at 30mph | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:46 - Nov 16 with 1218 views | Boundy |
We're discussing the blanket 20mph in Wales | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:11 - Nov 16 with 1188 views | felixstowe_jack |
There is no problem with 20mph zones in areas where it is needed, outside Schools, Hospitals, accident black spots. It it not need as a blanket ban. Nearly 467,000 people in Wales agree with this. Meanwhile you and 5280 people In Wales disagree. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:57 - Nov 16 with 1178 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:11 - Nov 16 by felixstowe_jack |
There is no problem with 20mph zones in areas where it is needed, outside Schools, Hospitals, accident black spots. It it not need as a blanket ban. Nearly 467,000 people in Wales agree with this. Meanwhile you and 5280 people In Wales disagree. |
IT’S NOT A BLANKET BAN. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:41 - Nov 16 with 1166 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:57 - Nov 16 by lifelong |
IT’S NOT A BLANKET BAN. |
The louder you shout makes no difference to the argument , the insidious way that this lot in cardiff have implemented it + the fact that they're reducing sped limits on major truck roads such as the M48 to 50 mph ,the heads of the valleys , the A55, the A465 ,M4 into and through s Wales. They're trying to get people from driving to using public transport but in their comical way have removed subsidies which in turn reduces services , Dripford was right on one thing , we do do things differently and are becoming a laughing stock.because of it and worse the Welsh economy which is and has been struggling will now lose 9 billion pounds , the policy of a lunatic and anyone who thinks this is a great idea is as stupid as he is | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 13:44 - Nov 16 with 1157 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:41 - Nov 16 by Boundy |
The louder you shout makes no difference to the argument , the insidious way that this lot in cardiff have implemented it + the fact that they're reducing sped limits on major truck roads such as the M48 to 50 mph ,the heads of the valleys , the A55, the A465 ,M4 into and through s Wales. They're trying to get people from driving to using public transport but in their comical way have removed subsidies which in turn reduces services , Dripford was right on one thing , we do do things differently and are becoming a laughing stock.because of it and worse the Welsh economy which is and has been struggling will now lose 9 billion pounds , the policy of a lunatic and anyone who thinks this is a great idea is as stupid as he is |
That still doesn’t make the 20mph limit a blanket ban, no matter how many times you say it. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:11 - Nov 16 with 1142 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:41 - Nov 16 by Boundy |
The louder you shout makes no difference to the argument , the insidious way that this lot in cardiff have implemented it + the fact that they're reducing sped limits on major truck roads such as the M48 to 50 mph ,the heads of the valleys , the A55, the A465 ,M4 into and through s Wales. They're trying to get people from driving to using public transport but in their comical way have removed subsidies which in turn reduces services , Dripford was right on one thing , we do do things differently and are becoming a laughing stock.because of it and worse the Welsh economy which is and has been struggling will now lose 9 billion pounds , the policy of a lunatic and anyone who thinks this is a great idea is as stupid as he is |
What about the 483.
My favourite road .
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:07 - Nov 16 with 1120 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:44 - Nov 16 by lifelong |
That still doesn’t make the 20mph limit a blanket ban, no matter how many times you say it. |
What's your view on reduced services, billions to be lost to our much needed economy. The millions spent so far on this policy which in some parts of the country being reversed at a cost to you as a taxpayer? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:47 - Nov 16 with 1109 views | Wingstandwood |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:14 - Nov 15 by Boundy |
Grace period will ending shortly then its full enforcement :
Mobile speed cameras are in the following locations in Wales for November 2023 according to GoSafe:
Swansea
A4118 near Knelston Primary School, Knelston
Pennard Road/Kittle
B4295/New Road/Crofty
A483/Fabian Way/near Port Tennant Road
B5444 Bonymaen Road, Pentrechwyth
Belgrave Road, Gorseinon
Heol Y Mynydd/Gorseinon
B4296 Grovesend, Swansea
Bolgoed Road, Pontarddulais
Swansea Road/Llangyfelach Road/Llangyfelach
A48/Clasemont Road/Morriston
Birchgrove Road, Glais
St Joseph's Catholic Primary School, Pontardawe Road, Clydach
Carmarthenshire
Pembrey CP School
A484/Burry Port/30mph Speed Limit Area
Old Road Community Primary School
Heol Goffa, Llanelli North
Corporation Avenue, Llanelli North
Penallt Road/Brynallt Terrace, Llanelli
Capel Isaf Road, Llanelli North
Capel Road, Llanelli North
Bryngwyn Road, Llanelli North
Bryn Community Primary School
Dafen Community Primary School
Bryngwyn School, Llanelli North
Dafen Road, Llanelli North
B4309/Five Roads
A484/Kingswood
B4317/Heol Capel Ifan/Pontyberem
Pontyberem Primary School
B4309/Pontantwn
A484/Idole
A484/Cwmffrwd
Rhydygors School
Llangunnor Primary School
Model Church in Wales School
B4310/Porthyrhyd
Drefach CP School
B4317/Derwen Road/Cwmmawr
Y Tumble
Llechyfedach CP School
Cefneithin Primary School
Ysgol Gynradd Cross Hands
A476/Cross Hands Rdbt To Phoenix Inn/Gorslas (1)
Cwmgwilli
A476/Carmel South
A476/Carmel North
B4297/Coopers Road/Capel Hendre/Tycroes
Saron Primary School
Dyffryn Road/Saron Village
A483/Llandeilo Road/Llandybie
A483/Heol Cennen/Fairfach
Betws Primary School
A474/Pontamman |
Ting! Ting! Ting goes the revenue raising "fishing in a goldfish bowl" till.
And folks do not relax at night either, because GoSafe camera's are now night vision capable. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:15 - Nov 16 with 1095 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:57 - Nov 16 by lifelong |
IT’S NOT A BLANKET BAN. |
It is when it is applied to all previous 30mph and local councils have to submit a case to exempt roads from the blanket 20mph.
20mph is the new default speed limit in built up areas unless an exemption is applied for.
It England 30mph is the default speed limit on built up areas and exemptions have to be applied for to implement 20mph in certain circumstances.
Clearly a difference between England and Wales.
30mph in the blanket default speed limit in England 20mph is an exemption from this.
20mph is the blanket speed limit in Wales 30mph is an exemption from this.
467,000 people in Wales agree that the blanket 20mph law in Wales should be rescinded. | |
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