| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 137257 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 3 with 1802 views | majorraglan |
I was out and about yesterday and bumped in to a South Wales Labour MP and as the 20mph speed limit is probably the biggest topic of conversation I asked the MP outright if they’d had a deluge of complaints etc.
The MP confirmed that the 20mph limit was the biggest single issue they were dealing with and advised me there were very few complaints from youngsters or women and that the biggest cohort of complainers was middle aged men. The MP also advised me that they’d received a fair bit of correspondence from residents supporting the new 20mph limits.
The MP understood the concerns of motorists including where there were lengthy stretches of 20mph road, for example a road running through a long long valley town or village. What the MP did point out is while they were getting complaints from motorists, residents in these areas were praising the lower speed limits. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 0:08]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 00:05 - Nov 3 with 1801 views | Dr_Winston |
The DVSA can barely manage to keep up with the demand for normal driving tests after Covid, never mind mooted extra ones. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:35 - Nov 3 with 1695 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I was out and about yesterday and bumped in to a South Wales Labour MP and as the 20mph speed limit is probably the biggest topic of conversation I asked the MP outright if they’d had a deluge of complaints etc.
The MP confirmed that the 20mph limit was the biggest single issue they were dealing with and advised me there were very few complaints from youngsters or women and that the biggest cohort of complainers was middle aged men. The MP also advised me that they’d received a fair bit of correspondence from residents supporting the new 20mph limits.
The MP understood the concerns of motorists including where there were lengthy stretches of 20mph road, for example a road running through a long long valley town or village. What the MP did point out is while they were getting complaints from motorists, residents in these areas were praising the lower speed limits. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 0:08]
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Did you expect any other response from this mystical being | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:38 - Nov 3 with 1681 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:05 - Nov 3 by Dr_Winston |
The DVSA can barely manage to keep up with the demand for normal driving tests after Covid, never mind mooted extra ones. |
In that case ,it shouldn’t be beyond us to create ways of ensuring extended or renewed driver training . Insurance should be significantly cheaper for advanced drivers .
AFOs have ongoing training and, if not meeting standard , lose their authority. Why? .Because they control a deadly weapon ,which is what a car is in the wrong hands .
Cars @re lethal weapons | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:15 - Nov 3 with 1655 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:35 - Nov 3 by Boundy |
Did you expect any other response from this mystical being |
Given the additional detail the MP provided which I’ve not included in this thread I’m pretty happy that was I was told is fairly accurate. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:44 - Nov 3 with 1624 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:15 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
Given the additional detail the MP provided which I’ve not included in this thread I’m pretty happy that was I was told is fairly accurate. |
So despite a petition which is still ongoing , rising in numbers which I would imagine encapsulates the adult population , social media comments etc , information provided by a member of the ruling party is truthful, accurate and believable , Strangely London's mayor has just announced similar information regrading ULEZ.
Maybe I'm a cynic but I'm not gullible , a recent Poll undertaken by Redfield & Wilton showed that 59% opposed and 29% supported the Welsh Government's decision to impose a default 20mph , 46% said they supported (and 34% opposed) the introduction of the new speed limit so it looks like the opposite , who'd ever think a politician would lie eh | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 15:08 - Nov 3 with 1563 views | pencoedjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I was out and about yesterday and bumped in to a South Wales Labour MP and as the 20mph speed limit is probably the biggest topic of conversation I asked the MP outright if they’d had a deluge of complaints etc.
The MP confirmed that the 20mph limit was the biggest single issue they were dealing with and advised me there were very few complaints from youngsters or women and that the biggest cohort of complainers was middle aged men. The MP also advised me that they’d received a fair bit of correspondence from residents supporting the new 20mph limits.
The MP understood the concerns of motorists including where there were lengthy stretches of 20mph road, for example a road running through a long long valley town or village. What the MP did point out is while they were getting complaints from motorists, residents in these areas were praising the lower speed limits. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 0:08]
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Ah those ghastly middle aged men I presume the majority were white as well.
How dare they have an opinion in the Wales. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:48 - Nov 3 with 1539 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:08 - Nov 3 by pencoedjack |
Ah those ghastly middle aged men I presume the majority were white as well.
How dare they have an opinion in the Wales. |
Probably, because most of the population is white. I’m guessing most 9n here, including myself fit that demographic. | | | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:53 - Nov 3 with 1526 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I was out and about yesterday and bumped in to a South Wales Labour MP and as the 20mph speed limit is probably the biggest topic of conversation I asked the MP outright if they’d had a deluge of complaints etc.
The MP confirmed that the 20mph limit was the biggest single issue they were dealing with and advised me there were very few complaints from youngsters or women and that the biggest cohort of complainers was middle aged men. The MP also advised me that they’d received a fair bit of correspondence from residents supporting the new 20mph limits.
The MP understood the concerns of motorists including where there were lengthy stretches of 20mph road, for example a road running through a long long valley town or village. What the MP did point out is while they were getting complaints from motorists, residents in these areas were praising the lower speed limits. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 0:08]
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They probably asked the question should there be a default 20mph speed limit in Wales.
No.
Are you happy with a 20mph speed limit in your village.
Yes. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:45 - Nov 3 with 1484 views | pencoedjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:53 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
They probably asked the question should there be a default 20mph speed limit in Wales.
No.
Are you happy with a 20mph speed limit in your village.
Yes. |
We all know it.
Stick a camera outside a school & ask the mothers who have just parked as close to the school gates (normally illegally parked on a junction) & its obvious they will say yes. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:08 - Nov 3 with 1434 views | Togg |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:45 - Nov 3 by pencoedjack |
We all know it.
Stick a camera outside a school & ask the mothers who have just parked as close to the school gates (normally illegally parked on a junction) & its obvious they will say yes. |
Taking Mrs T to work from North Gower, the school run middle class mums in their big cars are an absolute nightmare. To even things out so are the dads. Double park, park illegally, park dangerously as they try to get as close to the school gates as they can. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:15 - Nov 3 with 1431 views | Togg |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:08 - Nov 3 by pencoedjack |
Ah those ghastly middle aged men I presume the majority were white as well.
How dare they have an opinion in the Wales. |
Those middle class men are actually the new working class men. Who have done years of work, paid extortionate taxes, raised families. Have been taxed to the hilt, continuosly conned by various governments, many now have ageing parents, born from the second world war. Have now had their state pensions pushed to an older age. So maybe with a few years of living experience they can now have an opinion based on experience and making loads of mistakes along the way. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 20:17]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:00 - Nov 3 with 1412 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I was out and about yesterday and bumped in to a South Wales Labour MP and as the 20mph speed limit is probably the biggest topic of conversation I asked the MP outright if they’d had a deluge of complaints etc.
The MP confirmed that the 20mph limit was the biggest single issue they were dealing with and advised me there were very few complaints from youngsters or women and that the biggest cohort of complainers was middle aged men. The MP also advised me that they’d received a fair bit of correspondence from residents supporting the new 20mph limits.
The MP understood the concerns of motorists including where there were lengthy stretches of 20mph road, for example a road running through a long long valley town or village. What the MP did point out is while they were getting complaints from motorists, residents in these areas were praising the lower speed limits. [Post edited 3 Nov 2023 0:08]
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Well I don't doubt you, major. I do however doubt what the Labour MP told you. After all, we know our politicians are "conservative with the truth" and we know the Senedd has told us lies about the NHS. There is very little to trust.
When they said largets cohort I presume they didn't give you a number so just being the largest group doesn't mean much. then there's the "fair bit of mail" supporting the move, how much is that?200, 2000, 200,000? and very few complaints from youngsters or women, we all know youngsters hardly bother with politics and in Wales at large less than 50% of people bother to vote yet nigh on 465,000 people signed the petition which is more than voted for Welsh labour.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that people supporting the new limit in their village had complained about it in other areas, people are like that. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:55 - Nov 3 with 1388 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:00 - Nov 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I don't doubt you, major. I do however doubt what the Labour MP told you. After all, we know our politicians are "conservative with the truth" and we know the Senedd has told us lies about the NHS. There is very little to trust.
When they said largets cohort I presume they didn't give you a number so just being the largest group doesn't mean much. then there's the "fair bit of mail" supporting the move, how much is that?200, 2000, 200,000? and very few complaints from youngsters or women, we all know youngsters hardly bother with politics and in Wales at large less than 50% of people bother to vote yet nigh on 465,000 people signed the petition which is more than voted for Welsh labour.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that people supporting the new limit in their village had complained about it in other areas, people are like that. |
I had a chance encounter with an MP at a public event and used the opportunity to ask a few questions. I didn’t get in to the nuts and bolts of numbers etc and I’m only repeating what I was told. It was clear the MP had been discussing the issue with the County Council who apparently won’t look at making any changes for 3 months.
If I were the MP, I’d be looking to try and put a bit of distance between myself and Drakers and Waters. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:01 - Nov 3 with 1379 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:55 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I had a chance encounter with an MP at a public event and used the opportunity to ask a few questions. I didn’t get in to the nuts and bolts of numbers etc and I’m only repeating what I was told. It was clear the MP had been discussing the issue with the County Council who apparently won’t look at making any changes for 3 months.
If I were the MP, I’d be looking to try and put a bit of distance between myself and Drakers and Waters. |
So they are considering looking at it in 6 weeks, well that's a start. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:18 - Nov 4 with 1294 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:55 - Nov 3 by majorraglan |
I had a chance encounter with an MP at a public event and used the opportunity to ask a few questions. I didn’t get in to the nuts and bolts of numbers etc and I’m only repeating what I was told. It was clear the MP had been discussing the issue with the County Council who apparently won’t look at making any changes for 3 months.
If I were the MP, I’d be looking to try and put a bit of distance between myself and Drakers and Waters. |
That depends which MP it was. Starmer isnt a fan of Drakers, apparently. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:55 - Nov 4 with 1261 views | onehunglow |
Study before posting
Winter veg make good nourishing meals
Our feckless forkwick kids can't be rsed to cook though | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 16:14 - Nov 5 with 1183 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:55 - Nov 4 by onehunglow |
Study before posting
Winter veg make good nourishing meals
Our feckless forkwick kids can't be rsed to cook though |
If you are referring to root veg, there's not a lot of nutrition in them | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:57 - Nov 5 with 1132 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:14 - Nov 5 by controversial_jack |
If you are referring to root veg, there's not a lot of nutrition in them |
They're nutritious just that a lot of them are high in carbohydrates and need to be treated like bread or pasta and eaten in moderation, as the old saying goes, EVERYTHING in moderation! | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:26 - Nov 5 with 1111 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:18 - Nov 4 by SullutaCreturned |
That depends which MP it was. Starmer isnt a fan of Drakers, apparently. |
That's the exact opposite to what I'm hearing. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 19:39 - Nov 5 with 1107 views | Dr_Winston |
I can't imagine any Labour leader with designs on winning votes outside Wales being a fan of Drakeford. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 00:03 - Nov 7 with 1014 views | Boundy |
I wonder if every driver who owns a car register their Vehicle in Drakeford's name ,then spend a day breaking every speed limit ? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:46 - Nov 7 with 979 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:26 - Nov 5 by Flashberryjack |
That's the exact opposite to what I'm hearing. |
Is that why Starmer stopped praising Drakeford and saying this is how we do things differently in Wales. Starmer has recently put distance between himself and Welsh Labour. Qq | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:19 - Nov 7 with 957 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:46 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Is that why Starmer stopped praising Drakeford and saying this is how we do things differently in Wales. Starmer has recently put distance between himself and Welsh Labour. Qq |
They are regularly in contact with each other | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:32 - Nov 7 with 907 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:19 - Nov 7 by controversial_jack |
They are regularly in contact with each other |
Yes but Starmer no longer publicises it. I am sure Drakeford is still in contact with his Mentor Jeremy. | |
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