| A question 09:51 - Feb 7 with 7245 views | Boundy |
Ask yourselves this and please respond if you wish
Why would an investment group purchase a football Club in another country with no previous even tenuous connections to that Club ?
If you're not sure then consider this and within that group a set of individuals who may have more money than they know what to do with other than to make more |  |
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| A question on 23:18 - Feb 7 with 944 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| A question on 23:01 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
Oh dear.
Gives further creedence to the accusations of incompetence.
Also makes you wonder at the tests for fit and proper owners. |
They only went ahead after the Chelsea result which they watched guaranteed safety.
Chelsea had had a long unbeaten run and Guss Huiddink played a couple of youngsters with top 4 booked. The USA young centre back ad Pato played as a forward.
Gylfi Sigurdson scored the winner. With Premier league assured they went ahead. The talk of not knowing is almost certainly nonsense. |  |
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| A question on 23:24 - Feb 7 with 918 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 23:01 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
Oh dear.
Gives further creedence to the accusations of incompetence.
Also makes you wonder at the tests for fit and proper owners. |
 I think it says more about your gullible nature maybe? |  |
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| A question on 23:32 - Feb 7 with 928 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 23:18 - Feb 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They only went ahead after the Chelsea result which they watched guaranteed safety.
Chelsea had had a long unbeaten run and Guss Huiddink played a couple of youngsters with top 4 booked. The USA young centre back ad Pato played as a forward.
Gylfi Sigurdson scored the winner. With Premier league assured they went ahead. The talk of not knowing is almost certainly nonsense. |
You honestly think the ink wasn't dry on the agreement before kick off ?
So if Chelsea had won 5-0 would they not have signed then ? |  |
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| A question on 23:35 - Feb 7 with 923 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 23:24 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think it says more about your gullible nature maybe? |
So a quick answer from you :
Do you think it has proved to be the successful investment they imagined it would be - yes or no ? | |
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| A question on 23:41 - Feb 7 with 899 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 23:35 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
So a quick answer from you :
Do you think it has proved to be the successful investment they imagined it would be - yes or no ? |
You can’t decide if an investment has been successful until you sell.
The metrics of investment is purely an end point ROI.
If I buy a house now with the intention of selling in 30 years, what the market does in between that start and end point is irrelevant. | |
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| A question on 00:13 - Feb 8 with 889 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 23:41 - Feb 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
You can’t decide if an investment has been successful until you sell.
The metrics of investment is purely an end point ROI.
If I buy a house now with the intention of selling in 30 years, what the market does in between that start and end point is irrelevant. |
If you buy said house thinking it is in top condition, only to realise it is a money pit and far from renting it out and enjoying a nice earner whilst you own it plus seeing it rise in market value, you spend most of the income on repairs and maintenance, then at the end of ownership you find due to property market crash in negative equity, then that is a bad investment no ?
They never bought with the intention of keeping it for many years.
However they did envisage no doubt staying in the Premier League and seeing their investment grow, rather than falling dramatically as it has, with no sign of a recovery I fortunes | |
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| A question on 00:55 - Feb 8 with 863 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 00:13 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
If you buy said house thinking it is in top condition, only to realise it is a money pit and far from renting it out and enjoying a nice earner whilst you own it plus seeing it rise in market value, you spend most of the income on repairs and maintenance, then at the end of ownership you find due to property market crash in negative equity, then that is a bad investment no ?
They never bought with the intention of keeping it for many years.
However they did envisage no doubt staying in the Premier League and seeing their investment grow, rather than falling dramatically as it has, with no sign of a recovery I fortunes |
How do you know what their intentions were?
Jake invested when we were in the Championship for example, so your explanation of things doesn’t quite ring true.
The goal of the owners investing is to run it at a self sustainable model, provide a competitive squad, make money available every year to improve the squad… then finally sell it for a profit at the end.
It’s on track so far, we will have to check if they make a profit when it comes to selling. I would say Jake especially has a fantastic chance of that considering he has a 12.5% stake for a £5m investment.
The management team said their goal is to get into the top 6 each season, and he thinks we should be there right now. What you make of that?
If you had to suggest one department was failing it most certainly wouldn’t be the former. | |
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| A question on 07:04 - Feb 8 with 866 views | Fireboy2 |
| A question on 00:13 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
If you buy said house thinking it is in top condition, only to realise it is a money pit and far from renting it out and enjoying a nice earner whilst you own it plus seeing it rise in market value, you spend most of the income on repairs and maintenance, then at the end of ownership you find due to property market crash in negative equity, then that is a bad investment no ?
They never bought with the intention of keeping it for many years.
However they did envisage no doubt staying in the Premier League and seeing their investment grow, rather than falling dramatically as it has, with no sign of a recovery I fortunes |
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| A question on 07:04 - Feb 8 with 866 views | Dr_Winston |
| A question on 22:31 - Feb 7 by Fireboy2 |
Dr W won't believe you. |
It's true. I don't. At least I don't believe the FT. What kind of person believes anything they read in a newspaper?
Whatever journalistic spin the FT would like to make to join in on the aforementioned "Stupid Americans" bashing, it's simply not going to happen. |  |
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| A question on 10:49 - Feb 8 with 824 views | Whiterockin |
| A question on 07:04 - Feb 8 by Dr_Winston |
It's true. I don't. At least I don't believe the FT. What kind of person believes anything they read in a newspaper?
Whatever journalistic spin the FT would like to make to join in on the aforementioned "Stupid Americans" bashing, it's simply not going to happen. |
I don't know if this is the said article but there are some interesting points. I can't see anything about not knowing about relegation though.
https://www.ft.com/content/d28b725e-3796-11e8-8eee-e06bde01c544 |  | | |
| A question on 11:22 - Feb 8 with 794 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Because it doesn’t exist.
It’s xenophobic prejudice and vindictive lies to deflect blame from the cult. | |
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| A question on 11:41 - Feb 8 with 797 views | theloneranger |
| A question on 21:36 - Feb 7 by STID2017 |
Maybe ask Southampton how that theory is working for them ?
New manager bounce isn't always a given |
Ask MK Dons - Liam Manning took over from Martin, and now he finds himself out of work, and they sit 19th in League 1 -
1 point from safety. |  |
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| A question on 11:58 - Feb 8 with 789 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 11:22 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Because it doesn’t exist.
It’s xenophobic prejudice and vindictive lies to deflect blame from the cult. |
Bit of an over reaction there ?
Xenophobic prejudice?
The feelings most supporters have towards the owners has nothing to with prejudice.
They would feel just as angry if they were Welsh. Remember the reaction at the end to Doug Sharpe ?
Also to Ninth Floor ?
Vindictive lies ?
Posters and others only base their views on information gleaned from this forum, other social media and the media in general including the official site.
Deflect from the cult ?
Who or what is/are the cult ?
is that a nickname for anyone who is against the owners and/or for Russell Martin ?
Perhaps you could show evidence of your claims ? | |
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| A question on 12:01 - Feb 8 with 780 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 11:41 - Feb 8 by theloneranger |
Ask MK Dons - Liam Manning took over from Martin, and now he finds himself out of work, and they sit 19th in League 1 -
1 point from safety. |
I guess if we looked deeper there would be as many who have stood still or gone downhill as gone upwards.
The turnaround by Forest last season was an exception, not the rule | |
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| A question on 19:55 - Feb 8 with 703 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 11:58 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
Bit of an over reaction there ?
Xenophobic prejudice?
The feelings most supporters have towards the owners has nothing to with prejudice.
They would feel just as angry if they were Welsh. Remember the reaction at the end to Doug Sharpe ?
Also to Ninth Floor ?
Vindictive lies ?
Posters and others only base their views on information gleaned from this forum, other social media and the media in general including the official site.
Deflect from the cult ?
Who or what is/are the cult ?
is that a nickname for anyone who is against the owners and/or for Russell Martin ?
Perhaps you could show evidence of your claims ? |
Not an overreaction at all, people judge them by their country of origin. They are rarely described as “Swansea owners”, it’s always “Swanseas American owners” or “Yanks” when saying something disparaging.
Show me someone who has referred to our management team as “Swanseas English management team” or “the Saes”. Or when Wood lines up next to Darling, do people call them “the English CB’s”?
Of course they don’t. They are being made out to be stupid because they are American, to the point we have some morons even saying they didn’t even know you could be relegated from the EPL.
If others were making the same point about African players, there would be uproar, and rightly so.
If the above (didn’t know there was relegation) is not a vindictive lie, then show me. Got any evidence?
The cult is the Russell Martin love train, that continues regardless of his performance. If there is a chance to blame someone else (anyone at all) it’s taken with lightning quick speed. Anything to absolve “Mr Bottom Half” of any culpability - it’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen in football in 30 years. | |
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| A question on 20:08 - Feb 8 with 704 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 19:55 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not an overreaction at all, people judge them by their country of origin. They are rarely described as “Swansea owners”, it’s always “Swanseas American owners” or “Yanks” when saying something disparaging.
Show me someone who has referred to our management team as “Swanseas English management team” or “the Saes”. Or when Wood lines up next to Darling, do people call them “the English CB’s”?
Of course they don’t. They are being made out to be stupid because they are American, to the point we have some morons even saying they didn’t even know you could be relegated from the EPL.
If others were making the same point about African players, there would be uproar, and rightly so.
If the above (didn’t know there was relegation) is not a vindictive lie, then show me. Got any evidence?
The cult is the Russell Martin love train, that continues regardless of his performance. If there is a chance to blame someone else (anyone at all) it’s taken with lightning quick speed. Anything to absolve “Mr Bottom Half” of any culpability - it’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen in football in 30 years. |
But he is a nice man and works hard | |
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| A question on 20:08 - Feb 8 with 692 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 12:01 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
I guess if we looked deeper there would be as many who have stood still or gone downhill as gone upwards.
The turnaround by Forest last season was an exception, not the rule |
I can’t think of too many incompetent managers being replaced by competent ones that have gone backwards.
By it’s very nature a team will improve. | |
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| A question on 20:12 - Feb 8 with 702 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 12:01 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
I guess if we looked deeper there would be as many who have stood still or gone downhill as gone upwards.
The turnaround by Forest last season was an exception, not the rule |
Down to an exceptional manager perhaps? | |
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| A question on 20:15 - Feb 8 with 688 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 20:08 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
But he is a nice man and works hard |
Isn’t it crazy?
The other narrative too that HE should walk away as opposed to be sacked. As if he has the moral high ground here.
We have had one indifferent January compared to 18 months of management dross. I say indifferent January because:
1) I have absolutely no faith in the targets identified
2) it seems a complete waste of money to bring people in on loan under Martin
3) we are clearly going nowhere this season, it hasn’t made too much difference
Maybe we should start labelling him the English/Scottish hybrid instead of his name? | |
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| A question on 20:18 - Feb 8 with 696 views | vetchonian |
| A question on 20:15 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Isn’t it crazy?
The other narrative too that HE should walk away as opposed to be sacked. As if he has the moral high ground here.
We have had one indifferent January compared to 18 months of management dross. I say indifferent January because:
1) I have absolutely no faith in the targets identified
2) it seems a complete waste of money to bring people in on loan under Martin
3) we are clearly going nowhere this season, it hasn’t made too much difference
Maybe we should start labelling him the English/Scottish hybrid instead of his name? |
We beat Sunderland dont forget | |
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| A question on 20:40 - Feb 8 with 665 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 20:12 - Feb 8 by vetchonian |
Down to an exceptional manager perhaps? |
Why do a ( very) few on here care and champion an ex manager of a team 203 miles away from us ?
Don't we have enough happening on our own doorstep ? | |
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| A question on 20:41 - Feb 8 with 651 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A question on 20:40 - Feb 8 by STID2017 |
Why do a ( very) few on here care and champion an ex manager of a team 203 miles away from us ?
Don't we have enough happening on our own doorstep ? |
Isn’t it you who usually starts the threads? | |
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| A question on 20:45 - Feb 8 with 643 views | onehunglow |
It’s like this boys.
Let OHL cut through the crap again .
We have parsimonious owners and a totally incompetent Coach who is only with us because we can’t afford to sack him.
Yeah ,amazing that Huddersfield accept it’s time to replace a coach . | |
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| A question on 20:46 - Feb 8 with 644 views | Boundy |
| A question on 19:55 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not an overreaction at all, people judge them by their country of origin. They are rarely described as “Swansea owners”, it’s always “Swanseas American owners” or “Yanks” when saying something disparaging.
Show me someone who has referred to our management team as “Swanseas English management team” or “the Saes”. Or when Wood lines up next to Darling, do people call them “the English CB’s”?
Of course they don’t. They are being made out to be stupid because they are American, to the point we have some morons even saying they didn’t even know you could be relegated from the EPL.
If others were making the same point about African players, there would be uproar, and rightly so.
If the above (didn’t know there was relegation) is not a vindictive lie, then show me. Got any evidence?
The cult is the Russell Martin love train, that continues regardless of his performance. If there is a chance to blame someone else (anyone at all) it’s taken with lightning quick speed. Anything to absolve “Mr Bottom Half” of any culpability - it’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen in football in 30 years. |
Of course an over reaction , most posters on forums ( the exception of one or those who use 30 words when 10 will do ) tend to post with a comment no more than 4 or 5 lines and within that comment tend to use a colloquial term when describing people , eg sellouts Jenkins & co , Yanks the owners , nothing to do with judging them because of where they come from that's in your head, and certainly not mine nor many others I know who follow the Club . You're the only one I know who refers to them using their christian name such as "Jason" which you've used a few times recently when defending the yanks corner , "Swansea's American Owner's "title as far as I'm aware is only been used in the media as a headline .
By the way I'm still waiting for you response and evidence showing just how proactive our absent owners have been | |
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| A question on 20:52 - Feb 8 with 623 views | STID2017 |
| A question on 20:15 - Feb 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Isn’t it crazy?
The other narrative too that HE should walk away as opposed to be sacked. As if he has the moral high ground here.
We have had one indifferent January compared to 18 months of management dross. I say indifferent January because:
1) I have absolutely no faith in the targets identified
2) it seems a complete waste of money to bring people in on loan under Martin
3) we are clearly going nowhere this season, it hasn’t made too much difference
Maybe we should start labelling him the English/Scottish hybrid instead of his name? |
So by your reckonings it is all down to the manager and no blame for the owners?
Not even for appointing him ?
I think they are certainly guilty of not being decisive in the January window either back him or sack him, not doing either..
To lay all the blame at Martin's feet is grossly unfair | |
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