| NHS crisis 07:34 - Jan 7 with 5157 views | SullutaCreturned |
We've been saying it on here for ages, we've discussed all the things that the BBC has now put into one story and here it is, the stats, the numbers, the reasons why the NHS is failing for all to see,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440 |  | | |  |
| NHS crisis on 18:48 - Jan 10 with 860 views | shingle |
Wow this is where we are heading unless people wise up and stand up to these Elitist scum, for back there is exactly where they want us. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 18:57 - Jan 10 with 837 views | Fireboy2 |
| NHS crisis on 18:48 - Jan 10 by shingle |
Wow this is where we are heading unless people wise up and stand up to these Elitist scum, for back there is exactly where they want us. |
I cannot believe that there won't have an election for 18 months, how much more damage are these cvnts going to do to the country before they are ousted? |  | | |
| NHS crisis on 19:44 - Jan 10 with 818 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS crisis on 17:11 - Jan 10 by johnlangy |
I had a quick look back to the last Labour government and what they did regarding funding the NHS. They actually increased funding hugely and brought waiting times down enormously as well. |
Yep. At that point the NHS was being lauded as one of the best healthcare systems in the world in regard to health outcomes and patient satisfaction.
Something changed in 2010….
That’s not to say for one minute Labour didn’t make mistakes, they did and massive ones at that.
However what the tories and right wing press have done since then is abhorrent.
18 months left to go till a GE and they’ll be out of power for a long, long time. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 19:58 - Jan 10 with 814 views | BryanSwan |
| NHS crisis on 19:44 - Jan 10 by Gwyn737 |
Yep. At that point the NHS was being lauded as one of the best healthcare systems in the world in regard to health outcomes and patient satisfaction.
Something changed in 2010….
That’s not to say for one minute Labour didn’t make mistakes, they did and massive ones at that.
However what the tories and right wing press have done since then is abhorrent.
18 months left to go till a GE and they’ll be out of power for a long, long time. |
Will the NHS be salvageable in 18 months and do you think Starmer and Labour would be able to? I just can't see it. | |
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| NHS crisis on 20:06 - Jan 10 with 794 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS crisis on 19:58 - Jan 10 by BryanSwan |
Will the NHS be salvageable in 18 months and do you think Starmer and Labour would be able to? I just can't see it. |
No, it needs a total rethink in regards to funding. Free at point of need (GP and A and E) and everything else is up for reform.
It also needs massive structural change.
I know this won’t be popular but trying to pin the NHS ills on management and administrators is a bit daft. They take up around 2% of the NHS budget (in addition a third of them are also clinicians) and whether people like it or not, big organisations need good managers and administrators. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 20:46 - Jan 10 with 773 views | SullutaCreturned |
| NHS crisis on 20:06 - Jan 10 by Gwyn737 |
No, it needs a total rethink in regards to funding. Free at point of need (GP and A and E) and everything else is up for reform.
It also needs massive structural change.
I know this won’t be popular but trying to pin the NHS ills on management and administrators is a bit daft. They take up around 2% of the NHS budget (in addition a third of them are also clinicians) and whether people like it or not, big organisations need good managers and administrators. |
Your last paragraph is where you lose me. Those managers and administrators may only be 2% of the budget but they make the bad decisions that cost many millions, that cause problems that end up in legal challenges from affected patients.
The NHS definitely needs good managers and administrators the thing is, do they have them?
Even then it's not just them, political meddling also causes problems.
Question, Gwyn, who in the NHS signed the contract that sees them pay more for medicines than us patients do for the same medicines in Tesco or Asda? Why does the NHS pay over the odds for meds and equipment? | | | |
| NHS crisis on 20:54 - Jan 10 with 761 views | Gwyn737 |
| NHS crisis on 20:46 - Jan 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Your last paragraph is where you lose me. Those managers and administrators may only be 2% of the budget but they make the bad decisions that cost many millions, that cause problems that end up in legal challenges from affected patients.
The NHS definitely needs good managers and administrators the thing is, do they have them?
Even then it's not just them, political meddling also causes problems.
Question, Gwyn, who in the NHS signed the contract that sees them pay more for medicines than us patients do for the same medicines in Tesco or Asda? Why does the NHS pay over the odds for meds and equipment? |
I don’t know, mate. I assume they’ve e some kind of procurement are.
I agree with you about having good people and I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the NHS to comment.
What I do know is that working in public service there’s such a high level of accountability when it comes to spending a massive amount of time is wasted proving everything is above board (which of course it should be!)
You wouldn’t believe the paperwork in school just to buy a glue stick! | | | |
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| NHS crisis on 20:59 - Jan 10 with 747 views | SullutaCreturned |
| NHS crisis on 20:54 - Jan 10 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t know, mate. I assume they’ve e some kind of procurement are.
I agree with you about having good people and I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the NHS to comment.
What I do know is that working in public service there’s such a high level of accountability when it comes to spending a massive amount of time is wasted proving everything is above board (which of course it should be!)
You wouldn’t believe the paperwork in school just to buy a glue stick! |
I was a parent governor mate, I've seen some of the hoops up close, lots of jumping.
Thing is, things can be above board, they can adhere strictly to the rules and still be an incredibly bad decision! | | | |
| NHS crisis on 21:00 - Jan 10 with 747 views | Flashberryjack |
| NHS crisis on 19:58 - Jan 10 by BryanSwan |
Will the NHS be salvageable in 18 months and do you think Starmer and Labour would be able to? I just can't see it. |
Starmer could appoint Drakeford as health minister, he should be able to save the NHS. |  |
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| NHS crisis on 21:17 - Jan 10 with 735 views | SullutaCreturned |
| NHS crisis on 21:00 - Jan 10 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer could appoint Drakeford as health minister, he should be able to save the NHS. |
Yeah, he could have Gething and Eluned as his deputies, they'd be bound to save it! | | | |
| NHS crisis on 21:36 - Jan 10 with 726 views | Jack11 |
Amusing NHS anecdote. I’d always said I’d never ever pay for anything private, pay my taxes etc etc. If I have to wait, I have to wait and I’ll suffer with discomfort or whatever.
Anyway after our first child, let’s just say the bedtime action stopped. The other half had a bit of downstairs surgery as part of the birthing process and she didn’t want to know after that. Didn’t enjoy it, discomfort etc. This lasted for years, yes years and the only gyno she was getting appointments with was a bloke. She hated it, no progress was made either, kept saying it was nothing to do with surgery after the birth etc. So she did some Googling and found a private hospital specialising in that sort of thing. She let me know and I just said, do they accept Mastercard? | | | |
| NHS crisis on 21:47 - Jan 10 with 706 views | Flashberryjack |
| NHS crisis on 21:36 - Jan 10 by Jack11 |
Amusing NHS anecdote. I’d always said I’d never ever pay for anything private, pay my taxes etc etc. If I have to wait, I have to wait and I’ll suffer with discomfort or whatever.
Anyway after our first child, let’s just say the bedtime action stopped. The other half had a bit of downstairs surgery as part of the birthing process and she didn’t want to know after that. Didn’t enjoy it, discomfort etc. This lasted for years, yes years and the only gyno she was getting appointments with was a bloke. She hated it, no progress was made either, kept saying it was nothing to do with surgery after the birth etc. So she did some Googling and found a private hospital specialising in that sort of thing. She let me know and I just said, do they accept Mastercard? |
The NHS has been a wonderful thing for the people of this country, unfortunately, when there's more taking out of a pot than putting in, then there is only one ending. | |
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| NHS crisis on 21:52 - Jan 10 with 704 views | BryanSwan |
| NHS crisis on 21:47 - Jan 10 by Flashberryjack |
The NHS has been a wonderful thing for the people of this country, unfortunately, when there's more taking out of a pot than putting in, then there is only one ending. |
If only we could choose what the government would spend on, more NHS and public services, less nukes and vanity projects.
I know many would be happy to pay more if it actually proved of any benefit. | |
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| NHS crisis on 22:09 - Jan 10 with 685 views | Flashberryjack |
| NHS crisis on 21:52 - Jan 10 by BryanSwan |
If only we could choose what the government would spend on, more NHS and public services, less nukes and vanity projects.
I know many would be happy to pay more if it actually proved of any benefit. |
Yes, I'm sure a lot wouldn't mind paying more in NI payments, until they go to raise them.
As I've said, and you can argue as much as you like, but the reality is, if more take out of a pot than puts in, the system is unsustainable, I won't even go down the road of fraud, mismanagement and grotesque wage packets for badly preforming CEO's. | |
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| NHS crisis on 22:20 - Jan 10 with 681 views | builthjack |
| NHS crisis on 19:44 - Jan 10 by Gwyn737 |
Yep. At that point the NHS was being lauded as one of the best healthcare systems in the world in regard to health outcomes and patient satisfaction.
Something changed in 2010….
That’s not to say for one minute Labour didn’t make mistakes, they did and massive ones at that.
However what the tories and right wing press have done since then is abhorrent.
18 months left to go till a GE and they’ll be out of power for a long, long time. |
The damage that the Tories have done to the NHS will take a long long time to put right. Absolute scum who don’t give a monkeys for the ordinary person. |  |
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| NHS crisis on 08:30 - Jan 11 with 612 views | SullutaCreturned |
| NHS crisis on 22:20 - Jan 10 by builthjack |
The damage that the Tories have done to the NHS will take a long long time to put right. Absolute scum who don’t give a monkeys for the ordinary person. |
it's not just the Tories builthy, yes labour spent a lot of money on the NHS but they also made changes that were very badly thought out and designed, Blair put in privatisations that cost the NHS a lot too. The PFI thing was a disgarce and it costs this country billions, new hospitals that we pay for then pay the same amount again in interest, just like the schemes used by the Senedd that saw us pay well over the odd for HOV roads scheme and will pay a lot more for Velindre hospital.
Your last line, the Tories only care about themselves, they are in full of self preservation mode right now while at the same time telling decent, hard working people they are not worth a cost of living pay rise while our uneected PM spends thousands on a flight when a car would have been a much, much cheaper option. They waste our money on frivolous things, things that the likes of you and me can never access and then say we can't have enough for vital things like food and heating.
The Tories are doomed at the next GE and if they somehow don't lose badly it shows what a totla bunch of lunatics UK voters are. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 08:58 - Jan 11 with 599 views | SullutaCreturned |
Ever since the 60's any government I can remember has been guilty of short termism.
Most of the short term gains made have only amounted to massive long term losses.
The UK population has grown a lot, we are paying more tax than ever yet we are broke. It's not because of us ordinary working people. Politicians make a mess, rich people hoard wealth and the rest of us have to suffer with it all. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 09:42 - Jan 11 with 580 views | Badgeman |
| NHS crisis on 18:34 - Jan 7 by BryanSwan |
Unfortunately i don't think Starmer is your man if you want real change or change for ordinary people. I've said from the start that 10 years ago he would've been firmly a member of the Conservatives with his ideology.
Only the other day he stated how his vision for the NHS was for the state "to work in partnership with private business".
Having had need of A&E services it pains me to see how exhausted and broken the staff our, they do a fantastic job given the circumstances , but for how much longer? |
Starmer has been a lifelong member of the Labour Party. |  |
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| NHS crisis on 15:32 - Jan 11 with 540 views | BryanSwan |
| NHS crisis on 09:42 - Jan 11 by Badgeman |
Starmer has been a lifelong member of the Labour Party. |
Really? Thats interesting, i wasnt aware of that.
Judging on things he has said and his stances on things more recently i would've said he was Centre to Centre Right and would've fitted quite well in a Conservative party that wasn't as far right as it is now. | |
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| NHS crisis on 17:10 - Jan 11 with 510 views | Boundy |
I just did a quick dip check into job vacancies and for example for the Swansea Bay University Health Board, up to the closing date for applications which I could find being the 12th January there are 120 various vacancies, now multiply that by the other Welsh health boards , in one sub department GP UKSupport Services Ltd Wales there are 24 vacancies for . GPs and many more support workers jobs as well . | |
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| NHS crisis on 17:28 - Jan 11 with 483 views | trampie |
| NHS crisis on 15:32 - Jan 11 by BryanSwan |
Really? Thats interesting, i wasnt aware of that.
Judging on things he has said and his stances on things more recently i would've said he was Centre to Centre Right and would've fitted quite well in a Conservative party that wasn't as far right as it is now. |
That is because Labour are a right wing party Brian and have been for decades now (time goes so quickly), right wingers need to be kicked out of Labour but the right wingers are busy kicking out bona fide left wingers who actually belong in Labour. |  |
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| NHS crisis on 17:29 - Jan 11 with 478 views | johnlangy |
| NHS crisis on 08:58 - Jan 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Ever since the 60's any government I can remember has been guilty of short termism.
Most of the short term gains made have only amounted to massive long term losses.
The UK population has grown a lot, we are paying more tax than ever yet we are broke. It's not because of us ordinary working people. Politicians make a mess, rich people hoard wealth and the rest of us have to suffer with it all. |
'Politicians make a mess, rich people hoard wealth and the rest of us have to suffer with it all.'
Correct.
If working people get a pay rise (probably just a couple of £000) they spend that money, for the most part, in the UK economy which supports others jobs and businesses.
If a CEO awards him/herself a bonus it's usually millions not thousands. And what do they spend it on ? They've already got more than enough for their day to day living so they don't think i'll spend a few more quid today when I visit Lidls.
Think back to Philip Green (Arcadia/BHS etc). His first thought was 'I think I need a bigger yacht'. So he spent £120 million on that, probably because his rivals had bought one before him so trying to outdo them. All that money spent abroad, not in the UK so NOT supporting UK jobs and businesses, looking after himself while BHS pensioners find their pension funds are minus around £350 million.
The old saying that power corrupts fits perfectly with people like him. And as you say (taC )  ) the rest of us have to suffer with it all.
The whole of the UK needs a complete reset from top to bottom. | | | |
| NHS crisis on 17:33 - Jan 11 with 453 views | trampie |
The UK is a disgrace, food banks in the streets, we dont make anything anymore, our health service is one of the worst in the Western World.
The crux of the matter is inequality, the disparity of wealth between the rich and the working poor is huge and needs to be addressed. | |
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