| Sala 08:49 - Dec 3 with 9319 views | Boundy |
Can they pay what they owe , it appears they’ve run out of appeal options .A lot of monies owed to various agencies and the latest is they have run out of appeals |  |
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| Sala on 20:31 - Dec 4 with 1054 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 20:26 - Dec 4 by Brynmill_Jack |
No he isn’t. It’s the voices in his head - they tell him lots of things. |
Indeed, and in response to a certain deleted post ;)…
You don’t need “superior legal knowledge” to make obvious legal observations, you just need the ability to read the 21 page document released by FIFA explaining the TMS and the process of making the transfers binding.
You don’t need to be a politician to make obvious political observations, you don’t need to be a barrister to make obvious legal ones either. Everything you want to learn is available at the simple click of a button, it’s 2022 not 1982. |  |
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| Sala on 20:33 - Dec 4 with 1048 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Sala on 20:31 - Dec 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed, and in response to a certain deleted post ;)…
You don’t need “superior legal knowledge” to make obvious legal observations, you just need the ability to read the 21 page document released by FIFA explaining the TMS and the process of making the transfers binding.
You don’t need to be a politician to make obvious political observations, you don’t need to be a barrister to make obvious legal ones either. Everything you want to learn is available at the simple click of a button, it’s 2022 not 1982. |
I deleted my post, it was unnecessarily rude. Wasn’t warranted. I misread your reply.
I do stand by my point though that you do need to be an expert in an area of law to give a proper and reasoned opinion on it which i why I stay clear on areas other than crime.
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| Sala on 20:37 - Dec 4 with 1033 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 20:33 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
I deleted my post, it was unnecessarily rude. Wasn’t warranted. I misread your reply.
I do stand by my point though that you do need to be an expert in an area of law to give a proper and reasoned opinion on it which i why I stay clear on areas other than crime.
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| Sala on 20:37 - Dec 4 with 1034 views | Sirjohnalot |
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| Sala on 20:42 - Dec 4 with 1020 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I see.
Completely disagree of course. If that was the case then this forum wouldn’t exist. If a profession in the subject is the required standard to make any points, then this world would be a silent place.
If I go 90 in a 50 zone, I know that is a offence and know I have no leg to stand on should I be proven to be the driver. I don’t need expert knowledge in law to know that or make a point on it.
With regards to this transfer, there is a 21 page document released by FIFA which explains anything curious minds would like to know.
It really isn’t complex. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 20:47]
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| Sala on 20:50 - Dec 4 with 1008 views | Catullus |
Knowing what a legal document says and understanding all that it says are different things. The language used is itself, complex.
I've read a few legal documents and had to ask for advice about what they mean in simple terms. | |
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| Sala on 20:51 - Dec 4 with 1007 views | Algorfajack |
| Sala on 20:16 - Dec 4 by pencoedjack |
He’s making himself look rather foolish. |
Surprised he hasn't blamed the Trust as yet. |  |
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| Sala on 20:53 - Dec 4 with 1000 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Sala on 20:42 - Dec 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
I see.
Completely disagree of course. If that was the case then this forum wouldn’t exist. If a profession in the subject is the required standard to make any points, then this world would be a silent place.
If I go 90 in a 50 zone, I know that is a offence and know I have no leg to stand on should I be proven to be the driver. I don’t need expert knowledge in law to know that or make a point on it.
With regards to this transfer, there is a 21 page document released by FIFA which explains anything curious minds would like to know.
It really isn’t complex. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 20:47]
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Contract law is notoriously complicated, bores me rigid, can’t imagine spending my career pouring over clauses etc, but when someone is in a foreign jurisdiction and a contract is between parties in different countries, it won’t be straightforward.
But Ive not looked at any of the detail, who knows what advice they’ve been given, won’t be the first time a client has completely ignored advice and spent goodness knows how much money.
What I do know though that there are many people who think think things are easy, don’t take legal advice and greatly regret it | | | |
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| Sala on 20:55 - Dec 4 with 992 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 20:50 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Knowing what a legal document says and understanding all that it says are different things. The language used is itself, complex.
I've read a few legal documents and had to ask for advice about what they mean in simple terms. |
What was said within the document wasn’t the contention.
It was the sequence and timings of events (including the document being signed). This is outlined in the 21 page FIFA document complete with time stamps.
There was also a lack of understanding on Cardiffs part that not being registered by the Premier League meant the transfer was not valid.
Again this is not something requiring expert knowledge, just basic common sense and a knowledge of football suffices. | |
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| Sala on 20:58 - Dec 4 with 988 views | max936 |
| Sala on 20:50 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Knowing what a legal document says and understanding all that it says are different things. The language used is itself, complex.
I've read a few legal documents and had to ask for advice about what they mean in simple terms. |
Lots of big complicated law associated words on those type of documents that they and only they can understand without using Google, that's why they get the big bucks see.  |  |
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| Sala on 20:59 - Dec 4 with 980 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 20:53 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
Contract law is notoriously complicated, bores me rigid, can’t imagine spending my career pouring over clauses etc, but when someone is in a foreign jurisdiction and a contract is between parties in different countries, it won’t be straightforward.
But Ive not looked at any of the detail, who knows what advice they’ve been given, won’t be the first time a client has completely ignored advice and spent goodness knows how much money.
What I do know though that there are many people who think think things are easy, don’t take legal advice and greatly regret it |
Again, the clauses of the contract was never under contention.
The argument was that the transfer should not be complete because Cardiff structured the signing on fee incorrectly, meaning that it needed amendment prior to the Premier League accepting Sala to play in the league.
However anyone knows that not being registered by the Premier League does not invalidate a contract. It is the same if you sign someone who has already played for 3 clubs that season, they won’t be able to register to play in the Premier League until that is no longer the case. It doesn’t mean the transfer is invalid.
FIFA and CAS both agree with me and for all the reasons I stated from Day 1, they have laid it out in plain terms. It’s fair to say I’ve covered it pretty well regardless of not having a legal qualification such is the nature of this case. | |
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| Sala on 21:04 - Dec 4 with 971 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 20:51 - Dec 4 by Algorfajack |
Surprised he hasn't blamed the Trust as yet. |
On matters of the Trust I was one dissenting voice v 1000 members and and army of forum fools. The Trust went on to waste 6 years of legal posturing and £400,000 in cash to sharp suited people for south east England. (40 years of subscriptions at £10 per year). No one has apologised of course.
The Chief once of this manner argued the case and disappeared after his narrative collapsed. The vast majority of course said nothing,. The reason was rank cowardice a lack of self confidence. On or two promoted the south Wales Sunday school morality rhetoric of morality of 'greed' and 'pieces of silver'. Bless them. |  |
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| Sala on 21:07 - Dec 4 with 955 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 21:04 - Dec 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
On matters of the Trust I was one dissenting voice v 1000 members and and army of forum fools. The Trust went on to waste 6 years of legal posturing and £400,000 in cash to sharp suited people for south east England. (40 years of subscriptions at £10 per year). No one has apologised of course.
The Chief once of this manner argued the case and disappeared after his narrative collapsed. The vast majority of course said nothing,. The reason was rank cowardice a lack of self confidence. On or two promoted the south Wales Sunday school morality rhetoric of morality of 'greed' and 'pieces of silver'. Bless them. |
Or you can be like me and get both aspects correct, including the Trust. | |
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| Sala on 21:47 - Dec 4 with 925 views | max936 |
| Sala on 21:04 - Dec 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
On matters of the Trust I was one dissenting voice v 1000 members and and army of forum fools. The Trust went on to waste 6 years of legal posturing and £400,000 in cash to sharp suited people for south east England. (40 years of subscriptions at £10 per year). No one has apologised of course.
The Chief once of this manner argued the case and disappeared after his narrative collapsed. The vast majority of course said nothing,. The reason was rank cowardice a lack of self confidence. On or two promoted the south Wales Sunday school morality rhetoric of morality of 'greed' and 'pieces of silver'. Bless them. |
"The Trust went on to waste 6 years of legal posturing"
Yet you support Cardiff in their long winded unjustified fight to avoid paying for Sala and calling that case a complex one, yet dismiss the more complex case of the Trusts fight.
Look up the word hypocrite.
40 yrs of subscriptions? keep trying, you may get something right by the end of the century. | |
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| Sala on 23:22 - Dec 4 with 877 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Sala on 20:14 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
I know absolutely nothing about this area of law, so am not contributing to this discussion. Who knows what legal advice they’ve been given. It’s probably extremely complex, dealing with different jurisdictions and whether contracts have been complete. Quite possibly not as simple as anyone is suggesting. |
If they are following the legal advice and gone on to lose every single time including every appeal in a number of courts in a number of countries in front of a veritable smorgasbord of independent judges then that suggests the legal advice they have received may not be worth the paper it’s written on. |  |
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| Sala on 23:42 - Dec 4 with 860 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Sala on 20:53 - Dec 4 by Sirjohnalot |
Contract law is notoriously complicated, bores me rigid, can’t imagine spending my career pouring over clauses etc, but when someone is in a foreign jurisdiction and a contract is between parties in different countries, it won’t be straightforward.
But Ive not looked at any of the detail, who knows what advice they’ve been given, won’t be the first time a client has completely ignored advice and spent goodness knows how much money.
What I do know though that there are many people who think think things are easy, don’t take legal advice and greatly regret it |
Contract law is simplistic in the sense that in its very essence it often comes down to little more than two or more parties coming to the agreement of “we agree to do this if you agree to do that”.
The complexities are added with the endless page after page of terms and conditions that hardly anyone ever reads and just clicks the boxes saying yeah whatever I accept.
I can’t imagine however there would be anything in the terms and conditions in this contract agreement that says if the player dies in a plane crash in the days after the transfer cardiff don’t have to pay the transfer fee.
I honestly can’t see what their gameplan is here. What is the end game? | |
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| Sala on 00:34 - Dec 5 with 849 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 23:42 - Dec 4 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Contract law is simplistic in the sense that in its very essence it often comes down to little more than two or more parties coming to the agreement of “we agree to do this if you agree to do that”.
The complexities are added with the endless page after page of terms and conditions that hardly anyone ever reads and just clicks the boxes saying yeah whatever I accept.
I can’t imagine however there would be anything in the terms and conditions in this contract agreement that says if the player dies in a plane crash in the days after the transfer cardiff don’t have to pay the transfer fee.
I honestly can’t see what their gameplan is here. What is the end game? |
Two fold.
1) Tan is a mentalist and did exactly the same with the debt to Langston.
2) A delaying tactic in the hope they were promoted before they had to pay.
Cardiff is known to be up for sale now. There is no way Tan wants to sink the cash into Cardiff anymore. He may even sell it with the debt and embargo attached such is his misplaced pride. | |
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| Sala on 00:37 - Dec 5 with 850 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 21:47 - Dec 4 by max936 |
"The Trust went on to waste 6 years of legal posturing"
Yet you support Cardiff in their long winded unjustified fight to avoid paying for Sala and calling that case a complex one, yet dismiss the more complex case of the Trusts fight.
Look up the word hypocrite.
40 yrs of subscriptions? keep trying, you may get something right by the end of the century. |
The Trust's case was not complex. They were not manoeuvred out of selling their share by being deceived. They did not sell their shares in 2016 because they told everyone their shares were not up for sale and in 2015 said their shares would never be for sale. It is easy to find in press cuttings. No members called them to account because they were fast asleep and did not care anyway.
I informed the readership of SCFC2 that they were taking a huge risk and told them they had £21m of gold bars in the Titanic safe box in the pursers office. Guess what? HMS Swansea sank in deep water just off Southampton .
Cardiff on the other hand have a chance of winning and probably only going through the legal process at the instruction of their lawyers and insurers. The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame.
I had £5m public indemnity insurance and £2m public liability insurance as a modest one man band. I could not set foot on a building site without it. IF Cardiff had no insurance Mr Dalman would have been sacked.
Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?
Safety in numbers is no indication of being right or wrong. The whole Swansea squad sat in front of a BLM logo notionally supporting the de-funding of the south Wales constabulary and promoting commune living in place of the traditions man wife and kids structure. The Doc read the BLM mission statement shockingly Mr Birch and the FA did not. [Post edited 5 Dec 2022 0:45]
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| Sala on 04:26 - Dec 5 with 829 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 00:37 - Dec 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust's case was not complex. They were not manoeuvred out of selling their share by being deceived. They did not sell their shares in 2016 because they told everyone their shares were not up for sale and in 2015 said their shares would never be for sale. It is easy to find in press cuttings. No members called them to account because they were fast asleep and did not care anyway.
I informed the readership of SCFC2 that they were taking a huge risk and told them they had £21m of gold bars in the Titanic safe box in the pursers office. Guess what? HMS Swansea sank in deep water just off Southampton .
Cardiff on the other hand have a chance of winning and probably only going through the legal process at the instruction of their lawyers and insurers. The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame.
I had £5m public indemnity insurance and £2m public liability insurance as a modest one man band. I could not set foot on a building site without it. IF Cardiff had no insurance Mr Dalman would have been sacked.
Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?
Safety in numbers is no indication of being right or wrong. The whole Swansea squad sat in front of a BLM logo notionally supporting the de-funding of the south Wales constabulary and promoting commune living in place of the traditions man wife and kids structure. The Doc read the BLM mission statement shockingly Mr Birch and the FA did not. [Post edited 5 Dec 2022 0:45]
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“ The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame. “
You are making things up again.
- Why would a football agent be insured? Against what?
- Who was the plane owner? What insurance did they have then?
- What air logistics firm? David Henderson was a pilot, not an Air Logistics business owner as you have previously also made up.
- Why would Nantes have insurance on another clubs player?
- How would Cardiff have insurance on a player they insist isn’t theirs?
The fact is you are making stories and fantasies up for no apparent reason, in a strange attempt to circumvent what all courts and all common sense finds.
Cardiff signed him. Didn’t insure him as they were the victims of a weekend transfer. He died prior to filling it on the Monday… hence the kick back to not pay.
That simple. | |
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| Sala on 16:46 - Dec 5 with 733 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sala on 00:37 - Dec 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust's case was not complex. They were not manoeuvred out of selling their share by being deceived. They did not sell their shares in 2016 because they told everyone their shares were not up for sale and in 2015 said their shares would never be for sale. It is easy to find in press cuttings. No members called them to account because they were fast asleep and did not care anyway.
I informed the readership of SCFC2 that they were taking a huge risk and told them they had £21m of gold bars in the Titanic safe box in the pursers office. Guess what? HMS Swansea sank in deep water just off Southampton .
Cardiff on the other hand have a chance of winning and probably only going through the legal process at the instruction of their lawyers and insurers. The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame.
I had £5m public indemnity insurance and £2m public liability insurance as a modest one man band. I could not set foot on a building site without it. IF Cardiff had no insurance Mr Dalman would have been sacked.
Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?
Safety in numbers is no indication of being right or wrong. The whole Swansea squad sat in front of a BLM logo notionally supporting the de-funding of the south Wales constabulary and promoting commune living in place of the traditions man wife and kids structure. The Doc read the BLM mission statement shockingly Mr Birch and the FA did not. [Post edited 5 Dec 2022 0:45]
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There was no certainty the trust would win any legal case. If you get two lawyers together they will give you four opinions all of which will put huge sums of money in their pockets.
You must remember that for every case lawyers advise you to take to court you will loose 50% of the time. | |
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| Sala on 16:48 - Dec 5 with 733 views | max936 |
| Sala on 00:37 - Dec 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust's case was not complex. They were not manoeuvred out of selling their share by being deceived. They did not sell their shares in 2016 because they told everyone their shares were not up for sale and in 2015 said their shares would never be for sale. It is easy to find in press cuttings. No members called them to account because they were fast asleep and did not care anyway.
I informed the readership of SCFC2 that they were taking a huge risk and told them they had £21m of gold bars in the Titanic safe box in the pursers office. Guess what? HMS Swansea sank in deep water just off Southampton .
Cardiff on the other hand have a chance of winning and probably only going through the legal process at the instruction of their lawyers and insurers. The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame.
I had £5m public indemnity insurance and £2m public liability insurance as a modest one man band. I could not set foot on a building site without it. IF Cardiff had no insurance Mr Dalman would have been sacked.
Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?
Safety in numbers is no indication of being right or wrong. The whole Swansea squad sat in front of a BLM logo notionally supporting the de-funding of the south Wales constabulary and promoting commune living in place of the traditions man wife and kids structure. The Doc read the BLM mission statement shockingly Mr Birch and the FA did not. [Post edited 5 Dec 2022 0:45]
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"Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?"
Trust has only been in existence since 2001, so where you got 40yrs from. only you'll know. | |
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| Sala on 20:51 - Dec 6 with 658 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 04:26 - Dec 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
“ The 6 major players Mr Sala, the AIr logistics firm, the plane owner, the Agent Cardiff and Nantes were all insured to some degree or another (two in accordance with European and UK Air travel regulations) .and this was an accident with a clear trail of blame. “
You are making things up again.
- Why would a football agent be insured? Against what?
- Who was the plane owner? What insurance did they have then?
- What air logistics firm? David Henderson was a pilot, not an Air Logistics business owner as you have previously also made up.
- Why would Nantes have insurance on another clubs player?
- How would Cardiff have insurance on a player they insist isn’t theirs?
The fact is you are making stories and fantasies up for no apparent reason, in a strange attempt to circumvent what all courts and all common sense finds.
Cardiff signed him. Didn’t insure him as they were the victims of a weekend transfer. He died prior to filling it on the Monday… hence the kick back to not pay.
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You have asked a lot of questions and you need to figure out the answers for yourself. Some of the questions are plain daft. The old Chief "making things" up slur.
You are not Chief in disguise are you? He made a bit of a fool of himself for sure. Everything he promoted was proven in time to be wrong. Style over substance. I see a pattern.
You are talking as if you know nothing about how business works. I cannot write a discourse to educate you on insurance. Its not my field. I do know was not allowed to work as a one man band with out proving insurance cover and I never left the ground other than in a cherry picker.
Sir John has already told you thing s are not simple. "That Simple". Only for a bluffer. | |
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| Sala on 20:58 - Dec 6 with 649 views | Whiterockin |
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| Sala on 21:04 - Dec 6 with 629 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 16:48 - Dec 5 by max936 |
"Yes 40 year subscriptions. Lets do the maths together.
1000 members x £10 - £10k per year. £400k /10k per year = 40 years. 80 years for £5 per year. Yes shocking is it not?"
Trust has only been in existence since 2001, so where you got 40yrs from. only you'll know. |
The £400k represent in subscriptions 40,000 payment of £10. Taking an average of 1000 members each (a rough average) the Trust would need 40 years to get that money back. I would have thought that was obvious.
The Trust's £880k cash pile was from around £200k+ from subscription more if the membership was more than a 1000 and around £400,000 plus given in dividends from the club's profits around 2015.
The Trust's biggest investment has been lawyers and agencies from South east England. This is because 1000 mainly Welsh members were easy led into a case they could never afford. This was obvious to me in 2016. | |
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| Sala on 21:07 - Dec 6 with 625 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Sala on 20:51 - Dec 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You have asked a lot of questions and you need to figure out the answers for yourself. Some of the questions are plain daft. The old Chief "making things" up slur.
You are not Chief in disguise are you? He made a bit of a fool of himself for sure. Everything he promoted was proven in time to be wrong. Style over substance. I see a pattern.
You are talking as if you know nothing about how business works. I cannot write a discourse to educate you on insurance. Its not my field. I do know was not allowed to work as a one man band with out proving insurance cover and I never left the ground other than in a cherry picker.
Sir John has already told you thing s are not simple. "That Simple". Only for a bluffer. |
So you don’t know then?
You made up that all these people has insurance - but don’t even know who they are or what they do.
When you figure that out, come back to me. | |
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