| Welsh Indy and the EU 20:05 - Sep 11 with 6587 views | Catullus |
Now these arguments have been done to death on here but it seems that a journalist, Will Hayward, has been looking into it and his findings are,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/you-supporting-welsh-independence-be
He thinks if we went indy it could take 25 years to get back into the EU. Hmmmm, that on top of him thinking that even if we voted for indy soon (in 5 years say) it could take 5 years to extricate ourselves from the UK.
Not happening in my lifetime then. |  |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 20:18 - Sep 11 with 4085 views | felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why they want independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the undemocratic EU.
Especially as Wales voted to leave the EU. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 20:19 - Sep 11 with 4081 views | 73__73 |
It’ll never happen
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:02 - Sep 11 with 4040 views | Boundy |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 20:18 - Sep 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why they want independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the undemocratic EU.
Especially as Wales voted to leave the EU. |
Maybe because they believe the EU would divi out the money around fairly unlike the current situation which relies on Cardiff to do the right thing | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:10 - Sep 11 with 4025 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:02 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
Maybe because they believe the EU would divi out the money around fairly unlike the current situation which relies on Cardiff to do the right thing |
Its more about the Tory little Englanders in Westminster not giving a toss about Cymru.
The EU treats Ireland far better. |  |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:57 - Sep 11 with 3997 views | Catullus |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:10 - Sep 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Its more about the Tory little Englanders in Westminster not giving a toss about Cymru.
The EU treats Ireland far better. |
Well as Hayward says, the EU has changed a lot and in another 25 years it will have changed a lot more. I guess at some point in the future people will have a decision to make.
Interesting that Hayward, who I believe is pro indy and pro EU talks about the EUs demoratic deficit too, pointing out that claims of our under representation in Westminster (specially after reducing our MP's) seem a bit shallow when in the EU we may have just 5 MEP's. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 22:06 - Sep 11 with 3993 views | britferry |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 20:18 - Sep 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why they want independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the undemocratic EU.
Especially as Wales voted to leave the EU. |
then again, Cardiff didnt want the Welsh Assembly, yet they do very well out of it at the expense of those areas who did want it.
As for Welsh Indy, will never happen | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 22:20 - Sep 11 with 3963 views | pencoedjack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 20:18 - Sep 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why they want independence from a democratic UK only to surrender it to the undemocratic EU.
Especially as Wales voted to leave the EU. |
Tbh they are just thick as shite. |  | | |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 06:38 - Sep 12 with 3873 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:10 - Sep 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Its more about the Tory little Englanders in Westminster not giving a toss about Cymru.
The EU treats Ireland far better. |
As you well know the UK taxpayers give Wales more per head of the population than the UK average and have continued to support Wales throughout the covoid pandemic as well as huge handouts to every during the current energy crisis. Your anti Tory bigotry claiming that Westminster dies not give a toss about Wales is yet another of your lies. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 06:46 - Sep 12 with 3872 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 21:57 - Sep 11 by Catullus |
Well as Hayward says, the EU has changed a lot and in another 25 years it will have changed a lot more. I guess at some point in the future people will have a decision to make.
Interesting that Hayward, who I believe is pro indy and pro EU talks about the EUs demoratic deficit too, pointing out that claims of our under representation in Westminster (specially after reducing our MP's) seem a bit shallow when in the EU we may have just 5 MEP's. |
Wales is not under represented in Westminster though is it? That is just a incorrect and a lie. Wales and Scotland both have more MPs per head of the population than the UK average.
Both Wales and Scotland have devolution and control a lot of their own affairs. England does not have devolution and both Welsh and Scottish MPs can vote on England only issues.
The new proposal reflect this but even then every constituenciy will have roughly the same number of voters. Wales, Scotland and England will have equal number of MPs per head of the population. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:24 - Sep 12 with 3844 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 06:46 - Sep 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales is not under represented in Westminster though is it? That is just a incorrect and a lie. Wales and Scotland both have more MPs per head of the population than the UK average.
Both Wales and Scotland have devolution and control a lot of their own affairs. England does not have devolution and both Welsh and Scottish MPs can vote on England only issues.
The new proposal reflect this but even then every constituenciy will have roughly the same number of voters. Wales, Scotland and England will have equal number of MPs per head of the population. |
I suppose that really depends on your view, per capita we have higher representation. Wales returns around 6% of total MPs currently, soon to be reduced to just under 5%.
How can we be over represented when our voice csnnot even be heard?
England will hold 83% or so of the next set of MPs, so in effect England decides the future of the UK. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:37 - Sep 12 with 3836 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:24 - Sep 12 by BryanSwan |
I suppose that really depends on your view, per capita we have higher representation. Wales returns around 6% of total MPs currently, soon to be reduced to just under 5%.
How can we be over represented when our voice csnnot even be heard?
England will hold 83% or so of the next set of MPs, so in effect England decides the future of the UK. |
Except of course Scotland and Wales have devolution so can decide on many matters without interference from Westminster even if the UK taxpayers provide the money.
Perhaps the Senedd and the Scottish Parliament should start by improving the areas they control.
I am sure the people of Wales, me included, would like investment in infrastructure especially the nightmare that is the M4 around Newport. Time the Senedd reversed its decision not to build any new roads. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:46 - Sep 12 with 3820 views | trampie |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:37 - Sep 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Except of course Scotland and Wales have devolution so can decide on many matters without interference from Westminster even if the UK taxpayers provide the money.
Perhaps the Senedd and the Scottish Parliament should start by improving the areas they control.
I am sure the people of Wales, me included, would like investment in infrastructure especially the nightmare that is the M4 around Newport. Time the Senedd reversed its decision not to build any new roads. |
They are spending money in and around Cardiff all the time, why spend more in that area some people would say, perhaps people should look at the bigger picture. |  |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:56 - Sep 12 with 3821 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:37 - Sep 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Except of course Scotland and Wales have devolution so can decide on many matters without interference from Westminster even if the UK taxpayers provide the money.
Perhaps the Senedd and the Scottish Parliament should start by improving the areas they control.
I am sure the people of Wales, me included, would like investment in infrastructure especially the nightmare that is the M4 around Newport. Time the Senedd reversed its decision not to build any new roads. |
I'm not going to get to into this as i know this has been done to death, dont want to bore yourself or anyone else on here.
The senedd does mismanage the money it receives, but also the money provided is not done so on need. It therefore falls short in a number of areas. (This is the same for UK/English services under UK government control where the funding level is not adequate). | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:02 - Sep 12 with 3819 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:24 - Sep 12 by BryanSwan |
I suppose that really depends on your view, per capita we have higher representation. Wales returns around 6% of total MPs currently, soon to be reduced to just under 5%.
How can we be over represented when our voice csnnot even be heard?
England will hold 83% or so of the next set of MPs, so in effect England decides the future of the UK. |
Except of course Scotland and Wales have devolution so can decide on many matters without interference from Westminster even if the UK taxpayers provide the money.
Perhaps the Senedd and the Scottish Parliament should start by improving the areas they control.
I am sure the people of Wales, me included, would like investment in infrastructure especially the nightmare that is the M4 around Newport. Time the Senedd reversed its decision not to build any new roads. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:10 - Sep 12 with 3802 views | trampie |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:02 - Sep 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Except of course Scotland and Wales have devolution so can decide on many matters without interference from Westminster even if the UK taxpayers provide the money.
Perhaps the Senedd and the Scottish Parliament should start by improving the areas they control.
I am sure the people of Wales, me included, would like investment in infrastructure especially the nightmare that is the M4 around Newport. Time the Senedd reversed its decision not to build any new roads. |
Why spend money in Cardiff ? | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:34 - Sep 12 with 3780 views | Boundy |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:46 - Sep 12 by trampie |
They are spending money in and around Cardiff all the time, why spend more in that area some people would say, perhaps people should look at the bigger picture. |
What is the bigger picture ,I can't see anything which has improved the lives outside the SE bubble, even the much vaunted Metro system is designed to take people away from their local ares to work in cardiff and by doing so weakening the local economies , so what is the bigger picture | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:39 - Sep 12 with 3775 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:34 - Sep 12 by Boundy |
What is the bigger picture ,I can't see anything which has improved the lives outside the SE bubble, even the much vaunted Metro system is designed to take people away from their local ares to work in cardiff and by doing so weakening the local economies , so what is the bigger picture |
Its why Independence would be a nightmare as places like Bangor ,Caernarfon ,Anglesey and Llyn would get even less of the cake.
Cardiff just swallows it whole.
Culturally,more justification for Gwynedd going Indy | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:43 - Sep 12 with 3767 views | trampie |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:34 - Sep 12 by Boundy |
What is the bigger picture ,I can't see anything which has improved the lives outside the SE bubble, even the much vaunted Metro system is designed to take people away from their local ares to work in cardiff and by doing so weakening the local economies , so what is the bigger picture |
Felix is very vocal on the subject and it seems like he wants to spend even more money in the Cardiff area. [Post edited 12 Sep 2022 9:05]
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 09:01 - Sep 12 with 3765 views | Dr_Winston |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:34 - Sep 12 by Boundy |
What is the bigger picture ,I can't see anything which has improved the lives outside the SE bubble, even the much vaunted Metro system is designed to take people away from their local ares to work in cardiff and by doing so weakening the local economies , so what is the bigger picture |
Anyone outside the CF postcode area who desires or votes for more power to go into the hands of the Senedd is insane. |  |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 14:30 - Sep 12 with 3702 views | Boundy |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:43 - Sep 12 by trampie |
Felix is very vocal on the subject and it seems like he wants to spend even more money in the Cardiff area. [Post edited 12 Sep 2022 9:05]
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he's entitled to his opinions and views but he doesn't speak for me and I suspect a few others | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 14:59 - Sep 12 with 3680 views | pencoedjack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 09:01 - Sep 12 by Dr_Winston |
Anyone outside the CF postcode area who desires or votes for more power to go into the hands of the Senedd is insane. |
I think the majority of people in Bridgend would disagree with you. | | | |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 17:31 - Sep 12 with 3643 views | Catullus |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 07:24 - Sep 12 by BryanSwan |
I suppose that really depends on your view, per capita we have higher representation. Wales returns around 6% of total MPs currently, soon to be reduced to just under 5%.
How can we be over represented when our voice csnnot even be heard?
England will hold 83% or so of the next set of MPs, so in effect England decides the future of the UK. |
I see your mistake, though technically they are Welsh or English MP's really speaking they are UK MP's. It's the parochial outlook that twists the story.
All Mp's are supposed to vote for what is best for their constituents so taking it down to your level, they all vote against each other in some respects.
The big difference is that in the North of England where places have suffered as much as Wales they have no devolution, no control of their own area. Mind you if they did it could be worse, as it has turned out here in Wales.
Maybe look at it from that perspective though, it's not Wlaes being ruled over by England but the UK's MP's deciding for the UK. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 17:35 - Sep 12 with 3628 views | trampie |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 17:31 - Sep 12 by Catullus |
I see your mistake, though technically they are Welsh or English MP's really speaking they are UK MP's. It's the parochial outlook that twists the story.
All Mp's are supposed to vote for what is best for their constituents so taking it down to your level, they all vote against each other in some respects.
The big difference is that in the North of England where places have suffered as much as Wales they have no devolution, no control of their own area. Mind you if they did it could be worse, as it has turned out here in Wales.
Maybe look at it from that perspective though, it's not Wlaes being ruled over by England but the UK's MP's deciding for the UK. |
If there was no devolution we would be worse off, have you thought of that. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 19:15 - Sep 12 with 3614 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 08:43 - Sep 12 by trampie |
Felix is very vocal on the subject and it seems like he wants to spend even more money in the Cardiff area. [Post edited 12 Sep 2022 9:05]
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Not sure where you got that idea from. The Senedd already spends a disproportionate of the Welsh budget in the Cardiff area. As a Swansea lad more money needs to spent on infrastructure throughout the whole of Wales. Clearly the disastrous decision of Drakeford to cancel the M4 relief road will deter lots of investment west of Cardiff. Drakeford's decision to cancel all road projects in Wales is going to harm the Welsh economy. | |
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| Welsh Indy and the EU on 19:23 - Sep 12 with 3603 views | trampie |
| Welsh Indy and the EU on 19:15 - Sep 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Not sure where you got that idea from. The Senedd already spends a disproportionate of the Welsh budget in the Cardiff area. As a Swansea lad more money needs to spent on infrastructure throughout the whole of Wales. Clearly the disastrous decision of Drakeford to cancel the M4 relief road will deter lots of investment west of Cardiff. Drakeford's decision to cancel all road projects in Wales is going to harm the Welsh economy. |
The location of the proposed by pass routes are by Cardiff, therefore more money spent on Cardiff and it's environs. | |
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