| 22/23 Squad rebuild. 18:35 - Apr 23 with 10627 views | Beckenhamhoop |
In a desperate attempt to remain positive about QPR I’ve turned my thoughts to next season and the squad rebuild that is, once again, necessary.
I’d just like to mention that Reading’s John Swift, aged 26, 11 goals, 13 assists is, I believe, out of contract at the end of the season.
Oh, and Michal Helik might not want to play in League One next year.
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 10:37 - Apr 25 with 2340 views | BAWHoops |
We currently have 4 Wing backs at the club and none will be here next season. I'd imagine any money raised from selling Dieng and Willock will go back into those positions.
I just don't see a world where we don't bring in 3 players at Wing back, a Keeper (to replace Dieng) and a striker.
That's 5 through the door before we even think about replacing Barbet (who almost certainly will be off).
I would say that in Dunne, Amos, Field, Chair and Dickie (if he isn't sold) we have enough of a solid base for a rebuild. If Dykes can get up to speed even better.
How we utilise Austin and Stef next season I don't know! |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 10:41 - Apr 25 with 2332 views | francisbowles |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 18:22 - Apr 24 by 1JD |
I’m not ignoring anything. Unlike you, i’m presenting fact, not opinion. And you’ve just completely “ignored” the facts and evidence outlined above.
He’s played 33 games. Warburton has a no-play policy for players who are not fit. Both of these are the facts. Nothing suggests he has “not been fit for the season”. Other than his poor form, which is in your opinion, is because he has been unfit!
How can a professional footballer not be fit for the entirety a season, in a season in which they played 33 games?
As for the club taking a risk with older players? That’s illogical. If anything, its the complete opposite- you take risks with younger players who are more supple and have quicker recovery times because their bodies are younger..
Believe what you want to believe, that’s your prerogative, but don’t ignore the facts. [Post edited 24 Apr 2022 18:25]
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No I'm not ignoring the facts. You are being very selective with the ones you want to use.
How many of those 33 games did he play the 90 minutes? How many Saturday, Tuesday, Saturdays did he manage.
The reason he is 'unfit', as you put it, is that he is nursing along an injury.
It is being managed but as he is an older, experienced and expensive player, nearing the end of his career. The club, the player and the manager all want to get him on the field when they can.
Younger players may be more supple but you are less likely to risk playing them with an injury, as you could finish their career before it's really got going.
If nothing else, the fact that he retired from international football, points to him struggling to play numerous games.
Hopefully a good rest and a proper pre season will improve the situation for next season.
btw Warburton's policy for not playing injured players, is a value not a fact. It is not set in stone, it can be a subjective but does take into account the sports science data and evidence. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 10:59]
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:00 - Apr 25 with 2279 views | WatfordR |
A lot depends on what kind of formation we want to play next season I'd say, and in my mind the starting point is whether we want to play 2CBs or three.
If it's two, I think there's a lot less of a "rebuild" than if it's three. Dunne, Dickie, De Wijs and Masterson would be perfectly adequate.
If it's then a flat back four, I'd have no problem with McCallum (if possible) and Wallace on one side and Odubajo and Kakay on the other.
If we then decide it's going to be 4-3-3, then Field as the holding midfielder is fine, with perhaps someone to replace Ball who I feel may go. Jojo and Dozzell and maybe the addition of one, maybe two more with some additional pace.
It would be great to imagine that both Chair and Willock stay, but assuming Willock may go, we also have Amos and Thomas, and again one more with pace would be great.
Up front is where we have to get it right. As the season has gone on, I've felt that the Nakhi Wells we had was the right type of player for that role, Gray was the right "idea" if you like, it just needs someone with more pace. |  | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:09 - Apr 25 with 2248 views | Northernr |
Your problem here, as it was in January, is we did a big budget for us last summer, a big chunk of that was on the Austin and Johansen, and they're taking those chunky contracts into next season (and the season after for Stef). Those two dipping so dramatically from where they were in 2020/21 has been a huge problem for us this season, because they take up so much budget and they're on such long deals. You won't be able to shift either this summer so all expectation on what we need, what we'll be able to do, has to take them into account. |  | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:23 - Apr 25 with 2197 views | sprocket |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:09 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Your problem here, as it was in January, is we did a big budget for us last summer, a big chunk of that was on the Austin and Johansen, and they're taking those chunky contracts into next season (and the season after for Stef). Those two dipping so dramatically from where they were in 2020/21 has been a huge problem for us this season, because they take up so much budget and they're on such long deals. You won't be able to shift either this summer so all expectation on what we need, what we'll be able to do, has to take them into account. |
I'm not that surprised re Austin and in fairness the service has been crap too however Johansen has been so far off it since last season it's baffling. Perhaps it's injuries or how the team is playing in general but compared to last season he has been a liability. | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:23 - Apr 25 with 2197 views | HAYESBOY |
Would take Byrne from Derby RB. Out of contract.
Ricky Jade Jones from Peterborough. Striker, big and pacy. Fee.
Swift from Reading. Wages might be an issue. Out of contract
Depends who we lose really. |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:46 - Apr 25 with 2125 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:23 - Apr 25 by sprocket |
I'm not that surprised re Austin and in fairness the service has been crap too however Johansen has been so far off it since last season it's baffling. Perhaps it's injuries or how the team is playing in general but compared to last season he has been a liability. |
Johansen only turned 31 in January too. He has looked so slow and laboured this season it's really sad. With Charlie, I do think it's partly the lack of playing to his strengths (i.e. decent crosses from both wings into the box) and instead expecting him to be doing most of his work outside the box, which doesn't seem sensible. | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:02 - Apr 25 with 2092 views | Northernr |
I didn't understand why the Championship collectively allowed Scott Twine to go from Swindon to MK, and I definitely don't understand it now. League One POTY, Luton frontrunners, goals from midfield... | | | |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:02 - Apr 25 with 2092 views | bosh67 |
For me next season is about really good scouting, youth and pace.
We need to uncover more Willock type players.
You look at Luton's Elijah Anuoluwapo Oluwaferanmi Oluwatomi Oluwalana Ayomikulehin Adebayo (so good they named him 7 times) and he's 24, picked up from Walsall on a free transfer. 6 foot 4. Scores almost one in 2 for them and at 24 has real pace and a current price tag of about £2m. For me he's a better all round player than Dykes. But there are a few of these types of players around in the lower leagues and over seas.
Fast forwards. We don't have any. We have nothing to outpace defences.
Fast full backs, fast midfielders, fast CBs. We really lack pace. Solve that even with raw talent and we'll make an impact. |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:04 - Apr 25 with 2083 views | Northernr |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:02 - Apr 25 by bosh67 |
For me next season is about really good scouting, youth and pace.
We need to uncover more Willock type players.
You look at Luton's Elijah Anuoluwapo Oluwaferanmi Oluwatomi Oluwalana Ayomikulehin Adebayo (so good they named him 7 times) and he's 24, picked up from Walsall on a free transfer. 6 foot 4. Scores almost one in 2 for them and at 24 has real pace and a current price tag of about £2m. For me he's a better all round player than Dykes. But there are a few of these types of players around in the lower leagues and over seas.
Fast forwards. We don't have any. We have nothing to outpace defences.
Fast full backs, fast midfielders, fast CBs. We really lack pace. Solve that even with raw talent and we'll make an impact. |
Pace, pace, pace. We're so sorely lacking it. For all the 'major surgery' everybody seems to think we need, I think if you add one quick forward and two quick wing backs to what we've got we'd fly. | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:13 - Apr 25 with 2034 views | BAWHoops |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:09 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Your problem here, as it was in January, is we did a big budget for us last summer, a big chunk of that was on the Austin and Johansen, and they're taking those chunky contracts into next season (and the season after for Stef). Those two dipping so dramatically from where they were in 2020/21 has been a huge problem for us this season, because they take up so much budget and they're on such long deals. You won't be able to shift either this summer so all expectation on what we need, what we'll be able to do, has to take them into account. |
Which is why I don't think they're fighting hard to keep Barbet.
He's one of the top earners at the club and they need some wiggle room from somewhere.
Other than him I don't think anyone on a chunky wage is off this summer (depending on what they pay each week for Gray) | |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:17 - Apr 25 with 2022 views | Northernr |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:13 - Apr 25 by BAWHoops |
Which is why I don't think they're fighting hard to keep Barbet.
He's one of the top earners at the club and they need some wiggle room from somewhere.
Other than him I don't think anyone on a chunky wage is off this summer (depending on what they pay each week for Gray) |
Wallace? That's a pretty obvious saving at this point. | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:40 - Apr 25 with 1953 views | bosh67 |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:04 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Pace, pace, pace. We're so sorely lacking it. For all the 'major surgery' everybody seems to think we need, I think if you add one quick forward and two quick wing backs to what we've got we'd fly. |
Yeah but remember that all three of those would be injured for half the season!!! [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 12:40]
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:50 - Apr 25 with 1916 views | 1JD |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 10:41 - Apr 25 by francisbowles |
No I'm not ignoring the facts. You are being very selective with the ones you want to use.
How many of those 33 games did he play the 90 minutes? How many Saturday, Tuesday, Saturdays did he manage.
The reason he is 'unfit', as you put it, is that he is nursing along an injury.
It is being managed but as he is an older, experienced and expensive player, nearing the end of his career. The club, the player and the manager all want to get him on the field when they can.
Younger players may be more supple but you are less likely to risk playing them with an injury, as you could finish their career before it's really got going.
If nothing else, the fact that he retired from international football, points to him struggling to play numerous games.
Hopefully a good rest and a proper pre season will improve the situation for next season.
btw Warburton's policy for not playing injured players, is a value not a fact. It is not set in stone, it can be a subjective but does take into account the sports science data and evidence. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 10:59]
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Once again, you are being accusatory of the very aspect you are demonstrating yourself.
You are claiming he is nursing an injury that began in PRE season, and it is STILL bothering him at the END of the season.
All of this, in a season in which he has played a total of 33 games. A season which, after the aforementioned West Brom away game, where he went off, you are claiming he has not been fully fit, despite playing 90 minutes 10 games in a ROW after this juncture.
You are claiming that despite this significant number of games, and regularly playing 90 minutes, he hasn’t got fully fit YET.
This is your opinion. One can only guess you are surmising he is not fully fit in an attempt to justify his poor performances this season.
He isn’t injured; he just hasn’t wanted it enough or been good enough. And on his big wage, he needs to be far far better | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. (n/t) on 12:58 - Apr 25 with 1884 views | stantheman10 |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 10:41 - Apr 25 by francisbowles |
No I'm not ignoring the facts. You are being very selective with the ones you want to use.
How many of those 33 games did he play the 90 minutes? How many Saturday, Tuesday, Saturdays did he manage.
The reason he is 'unfit', as you put it, is that he is nursing along an injury.
It is being managed but as he is an older, experienced and expensive player, nearing the end of his career. The club, the player and the manager all want to get him on the field when they can.
Younger players may be more supple but you are less likely to risk playing them with an injury, as you could finish their career before it's really got going.
If nothing else, the fact that he retired from international football, points to him struggling to play numerous games.
Hopefully a good rest and a proper pre season will improve the situation for next season.
btw Warburton's policy for not playing injured players, is a value not a fact. It is not set in stone, it can be a subjective but does take into account the sports science data and evidence. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 10:59]
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:01 - Apr 25 with 1877 views | Superhoop83 |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:04 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Pace, pace, pace. We're so sorely lacking it. For all the 'major surgery' everybody seems to think we need, I think if you add one quick forward and two quick wing backs to what we've got we'd fly. |
I always expected our lack of pace and a top striker to be a huge problem and here we are with the season in tatters.
As you have often explained , it is very difficult to find good value strikers with a proven track record, but once Willock's creativity was lost we were always going to head down the table.
There is literally no-one fast on our books who gets the crowd on their feet and the opposition on the back foot and I agree that recruiting some speed could change things dramatically, especially if we can keep the spine of the team, which includes Dykes if he can stay fit (and wants to play for us?). |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:08 - Apr 25 with 1842 views | CamberleyR |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 12:50 - Apr 25 by 1JD |
Once again, you are being accusatory of the very aspect you are demonstrating yourself.
You are claiming he is nursing an injury that began in PRE season, and it is STILL bothering him at the END of the season.
All of this, in a season in which he has played a total of 33 games. A season which, after the aforementioned West Brom away game, where he went off, you are claiming he has not been fully fit, despite playing 90 minutes 10 games in a ROW after this juncture.
You are claiming that despite this significant number of games, and regularly playing 90 minutes, he hasn’t got fully fit YET.
This is your opinion. One can only guess you are surmising he is not fully fit in an attempt to justify his poor performances this season.
He isn’t injured; he just hasn’t wanted it enough or been good enough. And on his big wage, he needs to be far far better |
"despite playing 90 minutes 10 games in a ROW after this juncture"
FALSE. After the West Brom game the next 10 games were:
Birmingham (H) Midweek - Did not play
Preston (H) - 69 minutes played
Int'l break
Fulham (A) - 90 minutes
Blackburn (H) Midweek - DNP
Peterborough (A) - 90 minutes
Sunderland (H) Midweek - DNP
Forest (H) - Friday - 90 minutes
Cardiff (A) - Midweek - 90 minutes
Blackpool (A) - DNP
Luton (H) Friday - 90 minutes
So that's 519 minutes out of 900 = 57.7% |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:10 - Apr 25 with 1829 views | derbyhoop |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 11:09 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Your problem here, as it was in January, is we did a big budget for us last summer, a big chunk of that was on the Austin and Johansen, and they're taking those chunky contracts into next season (and the season after for Stef). Those two dipping so dramatically from where they were in 2020/21 has been a huge problem for us this season, because they take up so much budget and they're on such long deals. You won't be able to shift either this summer so all expectation on what we need, what we'll be able to do, has to take them into account. |
That's where too many posters gloss over the difficulties. Jojo and Austin have got 2 years and 1 still to run. On sizeable wages.
I can't see how we afford a 2m striker and accompanying wages. Unless we sell somebody for 5m. Or someone like Armstrong shows exponential development. |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:22 - Apr 25 with 1800 views | 1JD |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:08 - Apr 25 by CamberleyR |
"despite playing 90 minutes 10 games in a ROW after this juncture"
FALSE. After the West Brom game the next 10 games were:
Birmingham (H) Midweek - Did not play
Preston (H) - 69 minutes played
Int'l break
Fulham (A) - 90 minutes
Blackburn (H) Midweek - DNP
Peterborough (A) - 90 minutes
Sunderland (H) Midweek - DNP
Forest (H) - Friday - 90 minutes
Cardiff (A) - Midweek - 90 minutes
Blackpool (A) - DNP
Luton (H) Friday - 90 minutes
So that's 519 minutes out of 900 = 57.7% |
This is tiresome.
From the reputable transfermark data source;
9 9/24/21 A Queens Park Rangers (8.) West Bromwich Albion West Brom (3.) 2:1 CM 78'
10 9/28/21 H Queens Park Rangers (9.) Birmingham City Birmingham (11.) 2:0 Not in squad
11 10/2/21 H Queens Park Rangers (8.) Preston North End Preston (16.) 3:2 CM 69'
12 10/16/21 A Queens Park Rangers (6.) Fulham FC Fulham (5.) 4:1 DM 45' 90'
13 10/19/21 H Queens Park Rangers (7.) Blackburn Rovers Blackburn (8.) 1:0 Yellow card suspension
14 10/23/21 A Queens Park Rangers (5.) Peterborough United Peterborough (20.) 2:1 CM 90'
15 10/29/21 H Queens Park Rangers (7.) Nottingham Forest Nottm Forest (14.) 1:1 DM 83' 90'
16 11/3/21 A Queens Park Rangers (8.) Cardiff City Cardiff (21.) 0:1 CM 90'
17 11/6/21 A Queens Park Rangers (5.) Blackpool FC Blackpool (10.) 1:1 Not in squad
18 11/19/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) Luton Town Luton (11.) 2:0 DM 90'
19 11/24/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) Huddersfield Town Huddersfield (7.) 1:0 DM 90'
20 11/29/21 A Queens Park Rangers (4.) Derby County Derby (24.) 1:2 CM 90'
21 12/5/21 H Queens Park Rangers (3.) Stoke City Stoke City (7.) 0:2 CM 90'
24 12/27/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) AFC Bournemouth Bournemouth (2.) 0:1 DM 90'
25 12/30/21 A Queens Park Rangers (6.) Bristol City Bristol City (18.) 1:2 DM 1 90'
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stefan-johansen/leistungsdaten/spieler/62008
Summary. 10 x games of 90 minutes post West Brom away game. Sandwiched in between a ban, and a missed game. This data alone busts the myth he carried an injury after this game for the rest of the season. He did initially, clearly, for the game he sat out (Brum), but thereafter, was clearly up and running. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 13:28]
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 14:04 - Apr 25 with 1713 views | LythamR |
Lack of pace is a major issue. I am sure the management team are aware of this
Pace is also pretty much the most expensive commodity which is why we dont have much and probably why we will struggle to get big money for any of our players
I think this summer is going to be one of tinkering rather than a major overhaul, FB/WBs the priority and on the training pitch we have to sort out the inconsistency of Amos and particularly Dozell otherwise we cant start games with both of them in the team. |  | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 14:09 - Apr 25 with 1705 views | CamberleyR |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:22 - Apr 25 by 1JD |
This is tiresome.
From the reputable transfermark data source;
9 9/24/21 A Queens Park Rangers (8.) West Bromwich Albion West Brom (3.) 2:1 CM 78'
10 9/28/21 H Queens Park Rangers (9.) Birmingham City Birmingham (11.) 2:0 Not in squad
11 10/2/21 H Queens Park Rangers (8.) Preston North End Preston (16.) 3:2 CM 69'
12 10/16/21 A Queens Park Rangers (6.) Fulham FC Fulham (5.) 4:1 DM 45' 90'
13 10/19/21 H Queens Park Rangers (7.) Blackburn Rovers Blackburn (8.) 1:0 Yellow card suspension
14 10/23/21 A Queens Park Rangers (5.) Peterborough United Peterborough (20.) 2:1 CM 90'
15 10/29/21 H Queens Park Rangers (7.) Nottingham Forest Nottm Forest (14.) 1:1 DM 83' 90'
16 11/3/21 A Queens Park Rangers (8.) Cardiff City Cardiff (21.) 0:1 CM 90'
17 11/6/21 A Queens Park Rangers (5.) Blackpool FC Blackpool (10.) 1:1 Not in squad
18 11/19/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) Luton Town Luton (11.) 2:0 DM 90'
19 11/24/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) Huddersfield Town Huddersfield (7.) 1:0 DM 90'
20 11/29/21 A Queens Park Rangers (4.) Derby County Derby (24.) 1:2 CM 90'
21 12/5/21 H Queens Park Rangers (3.) Stoke City Stoke City (7.) 0:2 CM 90'
24 12/27/21 H Queens Park Rangers (6.) AFC Bournemouth Bournemouth (2.) 0:1 DM 90'
25 12/30/21 A Queens Park Rangers (6.) Bristol City Bristol City (18.) 1:2 DM 1 90'
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stefan-johansen/leistungsdaten/spieler/62008
Summary. 10 x games of 90 minutes post West Brom away game. Sandwiched in between a ban, and a missed game. This data alone busts the myth he carried an injury after this game for the rest of the season. He did initially, clearly, for the game he sat out (Brum), but thereafter, was clearly up and running. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 13:28]
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So now you're conveniently changing it to 10 times that he played 90 minutes after the West Brom game which isn't 10 games in a row is it?
I'll quote it for you again here just to refresh your memory:
"A season which, after the aforementioned West Brom away game, where he went off, you are claiming he has not been fully fit, despite playing 90 minutes 10 games in a ROW after this juncture." | |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 16:06 - Apr 25 with 1570 views | Northernr |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 13:10 - Apr 25 by derbyhoop |
That's where too many posters gloss over the difficulties. Jojo and Austin have got 2 years and 1 still to run. On sizeable wages.
I can't see how we afford a 2m striker and accompanying wages. Unless we sell somebody for 5m. Or someone like Armstrong shows exponential development. |
Agree. I know it's only hypothetical message boarding as well but I'm seeing a lot of "ditch Dozzell", or as one delightful punter put it on Twitter during Saturday's game "kill everybody in this team, set Andre Dozzell on fire". If a player is under contract, you can only 'ditch them' by paying that deal up (not smart economics) or finding a buyer, which if they're not playing well for us you're not going to do. | | | |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 16:17 - Apr 25 with 1529 views | DannytheR |
The situation with Johansen and Austin is the most depressing aspect of where we're at now, and why sacking or not sacking Warbs is going to have limited impact either way.
Hindsight, 20/20, etc etc, all of that, and I can't claim I was actively against signing them either - but for me, the permanent signings of Johansen and Austin now look likely to undo whatever progress their original loans inspired, and send us backwards for good measure. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 16:18]
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 16:38 - Apr 25 with 1471 views | TacticalR |
| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 16:06 - Apr 25 by Northernr |
Agree. I know it's only hypothetical message boarding as well but I'm seeing a lot of "ditch Dozzell", or as one delightful punter put it on Twitter during Saturday's game "kill everybody in this team, set Andre Dozzell on fire". If a player is under contract, you can only 'ditch them' by paying that deal up (not smart economics) or finding a buyer, which if they're not playing well for us you're not going to do. |
Surely if a player is under contract you can't set them on fire? |  |
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| 22/23 Squad rebuild. on 16:39 - Apr 25 with 1460 views | ngbqpr |
Am I the only person who still has some faith that, with an injury free summer & pre-season under his belt, Stef could come good again next season? |  |
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