| The Ashes 22:43 - Dec 7 with 19069 views | stowmarketrange |
The Ashes start in less than 90 mins,and I wondered what people thought of our chances this time?
It will be strange not to be able to have the barmy army in force out there this winter.Although I can’t see us winning the urn back,I think it will be closer than 4 years ago.Just a shame that I can’t be over there for a month like I was 4 years ago.
I think it might’ve been closer then if we’d taken Stokes along,but that’s history now.I hope we put up more of a fight this time around.
Come on the poms. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 8:32]
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| The Ashes on 10:11 - Dec 20 with 2309 views | Antti_Heinola |
| The Ashes on 10:06 - Dec 20 by Rangersw12 |
Good to see a bit of fight but Pope, Buttler and Woakes need to be dropped.
Bairstow ( I don't rate but better keeper than Buttler), Laurence and Wood need to come in
Would also look at the spinner for Robinson or Broad |
You could replace Buttler behind the stumps, but he's played two good innings in two matches, which is two more than Burns, Hameed, Stokes and Pope. I don't think you can afford to drop him!
Contrary to post above, Pope from the start of his career looked Test-class - difficult when you start, and hoped he would progress, and he looked good v India. But he looks broken here.
Bairstow could come in and continue his years of under-achievement at test level. You could give Crawley another go. There's not much choice. |  |
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| The Ashes on 10:16 - Dec 20 with 2280 views | Logman |
The problem is that too many of our players do it one in every 5 or 6 games. To play at Test level they need to be making a significant impact at least every other game. We do have many good youngsters but they are prepared for white ball cricket and wilt under a 5 day barrage. |  | | |
| The Ashes on 12:09 - Dec 20 with 2176 views | themodfather |
wonder if Beefy is still adamant the tour should have gone on? and when we are dicked 5-0 and players return with nice tans, what will the morale be like? our players continue to play needless shots, so many are missing stumps and they nibble/edge it to slips, so many times. are they getting too used to short formats and can't be patient and build an innings in test cricket? | | | |
| The Ashes on 12:33 - Dec 20 with 2143 views | qprd |
its kind of hard to imagine how epicly bad englands batting has been
even mediocre top order batsmen churn out a 100 from time to time.... england have played 14 tests in 2021 and only 1 century has been scored by someone other than joe root....how guys like pope buttler bairstow etc havent managed to score even a scratchy century in that time is hard to believe | | | |
| The Ashes on 13:04 - Dec 20 with 2106 views | Logman |
To be fair that's a little bit of a contradiction of terms. If you get a ton at cricket then I'm not sure you can call it scratchy. | | | |
| The Ashes on 13:27 - Dec 20 with 2048 views | derbyhoop |
There's barely an English batsman equipped to play a Test Match innings. Is it technique (lack of) or temperament.
But, I do know if we keep posting sub 250 scores we won't win many Tests.
For me Burns is too much of a fidget at the crease ; Pope looks like a rabbit in the headlights; Hameed looks to have the technique but keeps getting out cheaply.
Buttler isnt much of a keeper but his 2nd innings shows he can switch from a white ball thrasher to a builder of innings. Bairstow is a better keeper but hasnt looked a Test Match batsman. |  |
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| The Ashes on 14:25 - Dec 20 with 2000 views | qprd |
| The Ashes on 13:04 - Dec 20 by Logman |
To be fair that's a little bit of a contradiction of terms. If you get a ton at cricket then I'm not sure you can call it scratchy. |
labuschagne scored 103 having been dropped quite easily twice by buttler, once by robinson and then was caught behind on a no ball.. | | | |
| The Ashes on 00:50 - Dec 28 with 1701 views | stowmarketrange |
What a f@cking embarrassment this is.No fight,no discipline and no brains.The Aussies have won by an innings again.
Bowled out for 68. [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 0:53]
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| The Ashes on 01:29 - Dec 28 with 1639 views | Tripper |
Didn’t expect much from this series but that is shocking. |  | | |
| The Ashes on 01:44 - Dec 28 with 1626 views | SydneyRs |
Pathetic. This is not a great Australian team by any means but our top order batting, Root aside, is an absolute embarrassment. I also think they didn't want to tour in the first place and it's showing.
Bowled out for 260 odd and they win by an innings ffs. Bowlers must be fuming after dragging England back into it yesterday.
Send them home. | | | |
| The Ashes on 02:30 - Dec 28 with 1587 views | stowmarketrange |
| The Ashes on 01:44 - Dec 28 by SydneyRs |
Pathetic. This is not a great Australian team by any means but our top order batting, Root aside, is an absolute embarrassment. I also think they didn't want to tour in the first place and it's showing.
Bowled out for 260 odd and they win by an innings ffs. Bowlers must be fuming after dragging England back into it yesterday.
Send them home. |
It will also go down in the record books as one of the worst teams ever sent to Australia for the Ashes.Whether they wanted to go or not is insult.They were representing their country out there.to lose 6 wickets in around an hour on a supposedly good batting wicket takes some doing,even for England. | | | |
| The Ashes on 03:29 - Dec 28 with 1557 views | Kiwi76 |
Just read stat that Mitchell Starc has scored more runs than any English batsman excl Root & Malan this series. The minute one of them is out the collapse is on. Stokes definitely underdone but rest of them are shocking. Aussie without Hazelwood for 2 tests & Cummins for 1 & still way too good.
Wonderful story for Boland on debut but they are junior grade figures not Ashes test.
Not sure what happens from here as confidence is shot for most of squad. |  | | |
| The Ashes on 06:33 - Dec 28 with 1485 views | Malintabuk |
Well done to the batters for their totally selfless sacrifice of saving the bowlers from having to bowl again, really well done lads
I bet BT sport are creaming themselves having out bid the competition on this one!
Thankfully don't have BT and even more thankfully decided not to be up half the night to follow it. Think it must be the first time in my 50 odd years of following cricket I have yet to see a ball bowled in an Ashes series.
That as got to be the end of Silverwood, he will be the obvious Scapegoat candidate. Could also be the end of a few players careers in test cricket, if you could call what they do careers
The aftermath of this will be basically, nothing. A few noises from the ECB and we carry on as usual decimating the county red ball game.
The ECB should today be hanging their heads in shame over this. Whether the tour should have gone ahead, whether the players wantd to be there or not, the total lack of application or pride is really not acceptable. For a good few years the debate on white ball cricket v red as gone on, do players want to dedicated 5 days in playing test cricket, when you can play the white ball version and T20 especially, for much greater rewards, without your flaws in technique being highlighted. I think we now have the ECBs result and stance on that one.
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| The Ashes on 07:57 - Dec 28 with 1456 views | RuislipHoop |
Until we address the situation that stands here at present,Australians can play County cricket but our Players cannot play Sheild cricket,we will continue to get slaughtered every time we go there. | | | |
| The Ashes on 08:32 - Dec 28 with 1434 views | ozexile |
| The Ashes on 06:33 - Dec 28 by Malintabuk |
Well done to the batters for their totally selfless sacrifice of saving the bowlers from having to bowl again, really well done lads
I bet BT sport are creaming themselves having out bid the competition on this one!
Thankfully don't have BT and even more thankfully decided not to be up half the night to follow it. Think it must be the first time in my 50 odd years of following cricket I have yet to see a ball bowled in an Ashes series.
That as got to be the end of Silverwood, he will be the obvious Scapegoat candidate. Could also be the end of a few players careers in test cricket, if you could call what they do careers
The aftermath of this will be basically, nothing. A few noises from the ECB and we carry on as usual decimating the county red ball game.
The ECB should today be hanging their heads in shame over this. Whether the tour should have gone ahead, whether the players wantd to be there or not, the total lack of application or pride is really not acceptable. For a good few years the debate on white ball cricket v red as gone on, do players want to dedicated 5 days in playing test cricket, when you can play the white ball version and T20 especially, for much greater rewards, without your flaws in technique being highlighted. I think we now have the ECBs result and stance on that one.
A sad sad day for English cricket ðŸ |
It has to be the end of Silverwood purely for the fact he said there were positives to take from the match. Unbelievable. I've seen some dreadful English sides tour over here since 94 but this side takes the biscuit. Surely there is a better spinner in the country than Leach. Surely there's a better opening bat than Hameed/Burns. Total embarrassment. | | | |
| The Ashes on 09:24 - Dec 28 with 1395 views | CamberleyR |
| The Ashes on 06:33 - Dec 28 by Malintabuk |
Well done to the batters for their totally selfless sacrifice of saving the bowlers from having to bowl again, really well done lads
I bet BT sport are creaming themselves having out bid the competition on this one!
Thankfully don't have BT and even more thankfully decided not to be up half the night to follow it. Think it must be the first time in my 50 odd years of following cricket I have yet to see a ball bowled in an Ashes series.
That as got to be the end of Silverwood, he will be the obvious Scapegoat candidate. Could also be the end of a few players careers in test cricket, if you could call what they do careers
The aftermath of this will be basically, nothing. A few noises from the ECB and we carry on as usual decimating the county red ball game.
The ECB should today be hanging their heads in shame over this. Whether the tour should have gone ahead, whether the players wantd to be there or not, the total lack of application or pride is really not acceptable. For a good few years the debate on white ball cricket v red as gone on, do players want to dedicated 5 days in playing test cricket, when you can play the white ball version and T20 especially, for much greater rewards, without your flaws in technique being highlighted. I think we now have the ECBs result and stance on that one.
A sad sad day for English cricket ðŸ |
"must be the first time in my 50 odd years of following cricket I have yet to see a ball bowled in an Ashes series"
Same here. I called 5-0 on page 1 of the thread after waking up to that disaster on day 1 in Brisbane and haven't bothered watching any of it other than what I've seen on clips on the news since. I've been following cricket since the early 70s and I never thought that would happen.
Wished I'd put some money on 5-0 to them back on day 1 of the series. |  |
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| The Ashes on 12:34 - Dec 28 with 1254 views | johnhoop |
| The Ashes on 09:24 - Dec 28 by CamberleyR |
"must be the first time in my 50 odd years of following cricket I have yet to see a ball bowled in an Ashes series"
Same here. I called 5-0 on page 1 of the thread after waking up to that disaster on day 1 in Brisbane and haven't bothered watching any of it other than what I've seen on clips on the news since. I've been following cricket since the early 70s and I never thought that would happen.
Wished I'd put some money on 5-0 to them back on day 1 of the series. |
I figured that it was going to be 5-0 before the series even started so was looking to see what the odds were. Couldn’t find any for ages and when they finally appeared it was only 5-1 which I thought was a bit mean so didn’t bother. Those odds now look pretty generous.
We really should create a new urn after this series to present to the ECB as a recognition of their part in the destruction of English Cricket. The defeat which led to the creation of the original urn couldn’t have been in the same League as this for the utter humiliation involved. | | | |
| The Ashes on 10:55 - Jan 16 with 896 views | Rangersw12 |
Pope and Stokes wickets the worst of the lot.
Stokes so overrated averages 36 with the bat and 32 with the ball and has an epic innings once a year if that
Pope bowled by a straight ball when he was batting outside off stump
A disgrace of a team and worst for a generation [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 10:56]
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| The Ashes on 11:10 - Jan 16 with 877 views | ted_hendrix |
No point going on about it but England have been bowled out in just over 22 overs, the constant collapse in batting beggars belief.
The England cricket team have embarrassed the nation, there is no excuses so as far as I'm concerned they can gather up their fancy sunglasses, pack their suitcases and get the fck out of there.
Gutless--useless bunch of tossers.
Red ball-pink ball-white ball makes no difference.
Gutless--useless bunch of tossers. |  |
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| The Ashes on 12:15 - Jan 16 with 797 views | ShotKneesHoop |
This will takes years to fix - if ever. Here are the reasons why English cricket is totally phooooked.
1. Money - In 2005 the ECB accepted the SKY bid for all TV rights so that no live cricket is shown again on BBC. This is right after a fantastic Ashes series which enthuses all kids to want to be the next Freddie Flintoff
2. Money - 2009 ECB followed IPL money to allow Test players to play Indian leagues when they should be under central contract to play for England / Counties
3. Money - T20 launched at expense of county cricket, one day cricket and test cricket- because of sponsorhip and easy money.
4. Money 2009 - Cameron scraps School Sports Partnership to save money, so state schools stop playing cricket.
5.Money 2020 100 games start. County cricket reduced to start and end of the season. Middle of summer reduced to tip and run white ball bollox cricket.
6. Money. Centrally Contracted players on burn out schedule with playing Test cricket and T20 Tournaments running back to back because of money attracted by SKY BT etc
7. 2021 ECB accused of being institutionally racist and elitist - government money with drawn from the sport.
8. I can see cricket and rugby disappearing with just Premier League football being the only surviving sport because of the money and sponsorship involved, [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 12:21]
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| The Ashes on 12:17 - Jan 16 with 790 views | daveB |
That was a new low today, absolutely pathetic |  | | |
| The Ashes on 12:21 - Jan 16 with 783 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Djokovic has looked more likely to retain his crown then the England cricket team of regaining g theirs. We’d have been better off arriving with several unvaccinated players and being sent home! |  |
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| The Ashes on 12:40 - Jan 16 with 560 views | ManinBlack |
| The Ashes on 12:21 - Jan 16 by PlanetHonneywood |
Djokovic has looked more likely to retain his crown then the England cricket team of regaining g theirs. We’d have been better off arriving with several unvaccinated players and being sent home! |
Good point. Djokovic at least put up more of a fight than our wimps. Basically lost 10 wickets for 56 runs and nine in a session. |  | | |
| The Ashes on 12:45 - Jan 16 with 543 views | loftus77 |
Said it before and say it again — excuse the rant — I could write a book but I’ll keep it shortish:
There is nothing much wrong with English Test bowling and English Test fielding and there never really has been since around 1980.
There is everything wrong with English Test batting and there always has been since around 1980
Why 1980? That was around the time I started following the England Test cricket team (Botham, Boycott et al). And the point is that in that time the Test-playing world has caught up technically, professionally and in terms of experience.
This means that England has a real underlying problem. Nothing to do with coaching, captaincy, hierarchy or structure. Our cricket system has produced a battery of Test bowlers and quality fielders which has challenged teams regularly the world over (Aus bowled out for 155 don’t forget…India dismissed in their home country for 145 and 192 last year..the list goes on) and blown teams away regularly away in English conditions (too numerous to mention).
But that phrase ‘English conditions’ is the key IMHO. If you want to know the real underlying problem, literally look up.
Batting is a discipline learnt and honed over hours-and-hours out on patches of dried grass under a consistently and reliably warm sun. No net practice can replace this. If that warm sun is not there, English boys and girls will now never be able to learn the skills of patience, discipline and concentration necessary to occupy a crease for 3+ sessions in the first innings (yes, the first innings, the crucial ‘defensive wall’) of a 5 day Test match in a 5 Test series. The ‘canvas’ is too big. The time is too long. The ‘ask’ is too much.
The solution? Be honest, be open. In advance of climate change, there’s not a lot we can do about the English weather. What we can do is scrap 5-day, 5-test series overseas and replace them with 3-day, 3-Test series. That is much more realistic and would give England a genuine chance to try and salvage draws in 3 days (just about…), making series closer and more competitive. You could keep 5-day 5-Test series in England, because overseas players have developed batting skills under warm suns to challenge English skies, but not overseas.
If you carry on as per now, things will never change. History shows this. We have won twice in Australia since 1980 and both those were due to Australian restructuring (Border’s ‘new’ team post-Lillee, Marsh, Thomson etc in 1986-87 and similarly in 2010-11 when the replacement of the greats (McGrath, Warne, Langer etc) were bedding in.
It’s all too obvious. But who will actually admit it? If I am wrong, what else is the consistent reason over the past 40 years+? | | | |
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