| Appeal for witnesses 15:58 - Nov 20 with 20283 views | Hadders |
I know it's mentioned on at least one other thread, but perhaps this appeal for witnesses could be stuck to the top of the forum so that it gets seen by everyone coming on here. I suggest we hold back speculation about what happened and just hope that the man pulls through and justice is done. https://news.met.police.uk/news/seriously-injured-man-found-after-qpr-v-luton-ma [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 18:59]
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| Appeal for witnesses on 16:18 - Nov 20 with 11969 views | davman |
Christ, how are they going to cut through this.
Every Luton Fan: "He was just stood there minding his own business when this mob of Rangers fans attacked him unprovoked".
Every Rangers fan: "He was acting like a complete nutjob, throwing abuse out at everyone including kids and threw punches at a number of people, who eventually had enough and had to defend themselves; he slipped as he was off his nut and banged his head".
Utter, utter bowlocks as this will now tarnish the fixture, which is one I will be avoiding from now on. So happy we drove up last night and parked in the opposite direction from all the stations.
Hope they get every little scrote on both sides and ban them forever. We don't want them. This includes the psd up / drugged up masked bell end who walked backwards on to my son when we were kettled by the Met at the top of Bloemfontain Rd and then decided to throw his pint over the crowd and the police. Prick. |  |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 16:51 - Nov 20 with 11774 views | Boston |
| Appeal for witnesses on 16:18 - Nov 20 by davman |
Christ, how are they going to cut through this.
Every Luton Fan: "He was just stood there minding his own business when this mob of Rangers fans attacked him unprovoked".
Every Rangers fan: "He was acting like a complete nutjob, throwing abuse out at everyone including kids and threw punches at a number of people, who eventually had enough and had to defend themselves; he slipped as he was off his nut and banged his head".
Utter, utter bowlocks as this will now tarnish the fixture, which is one I will be avoiding from now on. So happy we drove up last night and parked in the opposite direction from all the stations.
Hope they get every little scrote on both sides and ban them forever. We don't want them. This includes the psd up / drugged up masked bell end who walked backwards on to my son when we were kettled by the Met at the top of Bloemfontain Rd and then decided to throw his pint over the crowd and the police. Prick. |
There’s video of the man behaving in a rather ungentlemanly fashion. | |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 17:20 - Nov 20 with 11554 views | Myke |
How did it even happen - I thought the place was packed full of police? | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 17:47 - Nov 20 with 11443 views | nix |
| Appeal for witnesses on 17:20 - Nov 20 by Myke |
How did it even happen - I thought the place was packed full of police? |
It was but if you look at the footage on the other thread, the police looked like they were getting quite a bashing.
Also if the incident that injured this bloke happened in Uxbridge Road I'm not sure how many police were actually stationed there. |  | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 18:55 - Nov 20 with 11120 views | Harbour |
Thoughts and prayers for the man injured let’s hope he makes a full recovery. | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 18:59 - Nov 20 with 11073 views | Myke |
| Appeal for witnesses on 17:47 - Nov 20 by nix |
It was but if you look at the footage on the other thread, the police looked like they were getting quite a bashing.
Also if the incident that injured this bloke happened in Uxbridge Road I'm not sure how many police were actually stationed there. |
Cheers Nix. Excuse my naivety as someone far removed, but was Luton always a problem game? I knew Milwall was, but didn't realise Luton fell into the same category. And what's it like going to their place (apart from the ancient ground I mean)? | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:10 - Nov 20 with 11010 views | colinallcars |
| Appeal for witnesses on 18:59 - Nov 20 by Myke |
Cheers Nix. Excuse my naivety as someone far removed, but was Luton always a problem game? I knew Milwall was, but didn't realise Luton fell into the same category. And what's it like going to their place (apart from the ancient ground I mean)? |
A Rangers fan was stabbed and nearly died at Luton many years back, I guess that's a lot to do with it. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 19:16]
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:15 - Nov 20 with 10985 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 18:59 - Nov 20 by Myke |
Cheers Nix. Excuse my naivety as someone far removed, but was Luton always a problem game? I knew Milwall was, but didn't realise Luton fell into the same category. And what's it like going to their place (apart from the ancient ground I mean)? |
It arguable that Luton are our biggest rivals as its mutual and everyone we hate doesn't care about us and the only team who hates us except for them is Brentford and its one sided. The biggest moments in the Luton rivalry was the FA Cup match in 1987 and the St Pancras battle later that year. However, it had already been a consistently violent match for a number years and was boiling before '87.
It's also very arguable that QPR vs Luton is the most violent fixture in English football because of the amount of serious trouble at most fixtures. Some may point to Millwall vs West Ham but significant trouble at those matches is few and far between due to the policing.
Kenilworth Road in the 80s was trouble for any QPR fan regardless of whether they were there for a fight or not. It was the same for any Luton fan at Loftus Road too during the same period. Things did get better for 'scarfers' and they seldom get caught up with the trouble at those matches now but it's safe to say that the next few years against Luton have the potential to return to previous levels. | | | |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:16 - Nov 20 with 10967 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Appeal for witnesses on 18:59 - Nov 20 by Myke |
Cheers Nix. Excuse my naivety as someone far removed, but was Luton always a problem game? I knew Milwall was, but didn't realise Luton fell into the same category. And what's it like going to their place (apart from the ancient ground I mean)? |
Yes, Myke.
Going back to the 80's.
Some truly horrific stuff from them including a little QPR-supporting girl getting her face cut up, the aftermath of which I witnessed.
I've been learning since that some QPR fans were far from blameless over the same years. |  |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:18 - Nov 20 with 10949 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:16 - Nov 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Yes, Myke.
Going back to the 80's.
Some truly horrific stuff from them including a little QPR-supporting girl getting her face cut up, the aftermath of which I witnessed.
I've been learning since that some QPR fans were far from blameless over the same years. |
A famous face who passed away in 2021 was banned for attempting to throw a Luton fan off the top tier of the SAR in 1986... 3 years ban. Staggering. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 19:20]
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:21 - Nov 20 with 10921 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:15 - Nov 20 by Bruno4England |
It arguable that Luton are our biggest rivals as its mutual and everyone we hate doesn't care about us and the only team who hates us except for them is Brentford and its one sided. The biggest moments in the Luton rivalry was the FA Cup match in 1987 and the St Pancras battle later that year. However, it had already been a consistently violent match for a number years and was boiling before '87.
It's also very arguable that QPR vs Luton is the most violent fixture in English football because of the amount of serious trouble at most fixtures. Some may point to Millwall vs West Ham but significant trouble at those matches is few and far between due to the policing.
Kenilworth Road in the 80s was trouble for any QPR fan regardless of whether they were there for a fight or not. It was the same for any Luton fan at Loftus Road too during the same period. Things did get better for 'scarfers' and they seldom get caught up with the trouble at those matches now but it's safe to say that the next few years against Luton have the potential to return to previous levels. |
It's only a rivalry for some filthy, violent people. On either side.
Most of my Rangers friends, in fact all of them, care not a jot about Luton. | |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:22 - Nov 20 with 10907 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:21 - Nov 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
It's only a rivalry for some filthy, violent people. On either side.
Most of my Rangers friends, in fact all of them, care not a jot about Luton. |
I'd be wondering how many times they saw us play at Kenilworth Road in the 80s to be honest. When you didn't have to be involved to be attacked its hard to not form a hatred of them. | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:24 - Nov 20 with 10890 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:18 - Nov 20 by Bruno4England |
A famous face who passed away in 2021 was banned for attempting to throw a Luton fan off the top tier of the SAR in 1986... 3 years ban. Staggering. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 19:20]
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Can I ask, Bruno - what do you find staggering about that? | |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:29 - Nov 20 with 10851 views | ManinBlack |
I know quite a few Luton fans and I think I get on well with them whenever our paths cross in my travels. I don't have a bad word to say about them they have been as friendly to me as any Rangers follower.
Anyway I hope this man recovers. |  | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:29 - Nov 20 with 10855 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:24 - Nov 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Can I ask, Bruno - what do you find staggering about that? |
How short the ban was... Nowadays itd be life ban and possible attempted murder charges.
The Police and courts helped prolonge that dark period. | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:37 - Nov 20 with 10771 views | Rangersw12 |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:21 - Nov 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
It's only a rivalry for some filthy, violent people. On either side.
Most of my Rangers friends, in fact all of them, care not a jot about Luton. |
Where's everyone I know from all ages absolutely hate Luton and none are violent
Maybe it's because we actually go to games and not sit in an ivory tower virtue signaling in Ireland | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:40 - Nov 20 with 10716 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:29 - Nov 20 by Bruno4England |
How short the ban was... Nowadays itd be life ban and possible attempted murder charges.
The Police and courts helped prolonge that dark period. |
Agreed. Completely.
Sorry, Bruno. Just had to clarify. | |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:41 - Nov 20 with 10715 views | boysfromthebush |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:37 - Nov 20 by Rangersw12 |
Where's everyone I know from all ages absolutely hate Luton and none are violent
Maybe it's because we actually go to games and not sit in an ivory tower virtue signaling in Ireland |
Seconded. According to some on here if you hate Luton you're automatically violent now Zzzz | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:43 - Nov 20 with 10669 views | digswellhoop |
WELL SAID HOPE WHO EVER DID THUS ROT IN HELL | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:45 - Nov 20 with 10626 views | digswellhoop |
so that make friday ok then dont think so | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:45 - Nov 20 with 10625 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:41 - Nov 20 by boysfromthebush |
Seconded. According to some on here if you hate Luton you're automatically violent now Zzzz |
My missus could beat me up so I'm definitely not cut out for fighting at football but I hate them with a passion.
Don't like to see people get hurt even if they were here for a ruck but hate their fans and club more than I do Chelsea, Brentford, Fulham,. Cardiff which, to me, are rivalries only in heads or, as I read someone say earlier, only exist in songs. | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:45 - Nov 20 with 10621 views | danehoop |
I find the whole concept of "hating Luton" mildly ridiculous as I find all football violence abhorrent and completely unnecessary. Its a game of football, anything else is stupid. Hope this guy gets well and some people maybe learn a lesson from it of how pointless this nonsense is. |  |
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:52 - Nov 20 with 10532 views | Bruno4England |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:45 - Nov 20 by danehoop |
I find the whole concept of "hating Luton" mildly ridiculous as I find all football violence abhorrent and completely unnecessary. Its a game of football, anything else is stupid. Hope this guy gets well and some people maybe learn a lesson from it of how pointless this nonsense is. |
Agree with the mindless and pointless aspects of it but you'll struggle to convince many people who attended the fixture in the 80s not to hate the other. As many have said and will continue to say over the next few days, weeks and months before we play them again, everyone was a target and that creates hate. | | | |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:53 - Nov 20 with 10501 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:37 - Nov 20 by Rangersw12 |
Where's everyone I know from all ages absolutely hate Luton and none are violent
Maybe it's because we actually go to games and not sit in an ivory tower virtue signaling in Ireland |
You misunderstood my post. Maybe it was my fault. My point was that the Luton rivalry is not on the pitch, it's between thugs.
I was born in England, born a Rangers fan, brought up in Ireland, moved back to England in '85. I now - as you point out - live in Ireland.
I lived in England during all the years that the Luton rivalry started and was at its height. I was a season ticket holder every year I lived there and I rarely missed an away game. I never missed a Luton trip.
In the years that mattered I also became a Luton member so, like many other Rangers fans, I could beat the away ban. I went to every Luton away game, ban or not, and on one occasion I saw a ten-year old girl's face after it was carved up by Luton fans.
I've been to games.
I go to games.
Virtue Signalling? I have no idea what that phrase means.
Edit - just reread my original post. It was badly worded. Apologies. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 19:58]
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| Appeal for witnesses on 19:54 - Nov 20 with 10494 views | daveB |
| Appeal for witnesses on 19:45 - Nov 20 by danehoop |
I find the whole concept of "hating Luton" mildly ridiculous as I find all football violence abhorrent and completely unnecessary. Its a game of football, anything else is stupid. Hope this guy gets well and some people maybe learn a lesson from it of how pointless this nonsense is. |
I hate Luton, goes back years for countless experiences against them, that doesn't translate into i want to fight their supporters though, far from it |  | | |
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